Trying out leupolds firedot reticle

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Finally giving leupolds firedot a try, ordered one this morning form eurooptic.com. some how over they years I've never even had the chance to look through one but always wanted one, guys that own them seem to praise the ones they have. Were allowed to shoot 30 minutes before sunrise and 30 minutes after sunset so having the firedot now makes more sense. I went with the 40mm objective over the 50mm, but other them maybe gathering more light the 40mm has more pros to me.

This will be going on the 3006 winchester pre 64 model 70 I've been working on and should be a good fit for that. I'll have to decide on a load and order the cds turret, interested in giving that cds a try. Picked up a set of talley 30mm lightweights, eventually I'd like to put some talley classic bases and qd rings for the sights but the m70 maybe a 280AI some day and probably won't do sights on that barrel.

 
I looked through one several years ago and had it in my hands to buy. For some crazy reason I did not do it, probably budget at the time. Anyhow, I think you''ll like it for the times of day you mention. It should be great for that. I hunt some areas where right at first and last light I cannot see my crosshairs in the shadows.

--Jeff
 
I looked through one several years ago and had it in my hands to buy. For some crazy reason I did not do it, probably budget at the time. Anyhow, I think you''ll like it for the times of day you mention. It should be great for that. I hunt some areas where right at first and last light I cannot see my crosshairs in the shadows.

--Jeff
Ya I think some get upset that it may not be super daytime bright but for low light what it is made for think I'll like it, I have an astigmatism that doesn't play well with some dots but in low light I think I'll be OK, interested to see how my eyes like it or not in the daylight.
 
Ive never used a firedot either, i do like my lighted reticles tho. I didnt used to, this is a relatively new change in opinion.
I also dont really see the point of "daylight" bright unless its your primary aiming point like a dot sight.
 
Ive never used a firedot either, i do like my lighted reticles tho. I didnt used to, this is a relatively new change in opinion.
I also dont really see the point of "daylight" bright unless its your primary aiming point like a dot sight.
Which is exactly how I use them for my 3GUN optic (VX6HD 1-6X) and my woods carbine (VX3HD 1.5-5X).

Just as fast as using a RDS, but with some magnification when you need it.
 
I have a VXR-Patrol 1.25-4 on my service rifle with what they call a Firedot SPR reticle. A little more complicated that the standard firedot in your link but similar with an adjustable red dot in the middle. I like it a lot for target work. Focus on the dot and squeeze.
 
I have several FIREDOT Leupold scopes.

Decent scopes for the money.

I prefer a GREEN dot. Most of the Leupold FIREDOT scopes use a red dot. I can live with red. But given a choice, GREEN is significantly my preference.

Remember, a $400 scope has $400 glass. Nothing will change that.

The thing that bugs me about $400 Leupold scopes is the TRACKING. Most scopes - Leupold included - do not always track perfectly. Specifically, what happens is, you dial three clicks on the scope, then the next bullet goes in the SAME HOLE as the previous shot, despite the fact that I dialed three clicks. What should have happened when I turned the knob was a three-quarter-minute change in windage point of impact. Then when I fire A SECOND SHOT after dialing the correction, now the point of impact changes. The reason it takes a SECOND SHOT, is because recoil forces of the first shot, after you dial a correction, jar the reticle sufficiently to cause the reticle to actually settle to where you dialed. This is annoying.

Moral of the story is, if you put a small correction on the scope, don't count on your point of impact to actually change until you fire two shots. The reticle may move when you turn the knob. But don't count on it. I've seen EXPENSIVE SCOPES do the same thing. Some people tap on the knobs of the scope after making a small adjustment. I'm not sure that helps. But it probably doesn't hurt. You shouldn't have to do that. But I'm here to tell you, BALKY TRACKING is far more common than scope manufacturers (all brands) are willing to admit.

Remember, you are at the mercy of what I like to call "the pissy little spring." That's the spring located inside the reticle turret, typically at around 7:30 relative to the reticle disc. That pissy little spring is what you are counting on to move the reticle when you make an adjustment - ESPECIALLY when you are turning the knob so as to WITHDRAW tension of the adjustment screw against the reticle. What do you think actually moves the reticle when you WITHDRAW the adjustment screw? -- The pissy little spring.

When you are actually DRIVING the adjustment screw into the reticle disk, you are compressing the pissy little spring. We would think that the positive engagement of the adjustment-screw against the reticle disk, as the screw is being driven INTO the disc, would more-reliably move the reticle. I have found this to NOT be the case. Same behavior. Put three clicks on (driving adjustment-screw INTO the reticle) and the shot may just go into the same hole as the previous shot - or may turn up as an elevation-change when your correction was for windage. I don't have a good explanation for this. I can only speculate that the pissy little spring is engaging against the reticle disk in such a way that it causes the reticle to move in an awkward, and unpredictable manner, until recoil of the gun forces the reticle to settle.

And mind you, I'm talking about some REAL PRECISION SHOOTING in my complaint. Most "deer hunter" types would never notice what I'm talking about when they're "sighting in" with a half-box of shells, and resting over the edge of the truck bed. They never shoot long, regular, series of shots. Just get it good enough to kill deer. If that's all you ask of a scope, a $400 Leupold will serve you just dandy.

If I'm shooting a series of shots, in a precision rifle match, and during changing wind conditions, I try to keep my hands off the windage knobs as much as possible. Better to favor. That's where EXPENSIVE GLASS really shines. Much easier to FAVOR three quarters of a minute with good glass, rather than mess with the knobs, and hope something really annoying doesn't happen. The difference between a 10 versus a 9 for the score of a shot is a big deal in precision shooting. Not so much with deer hunting.
 
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Which is exactly how I use them for my 3GUN optic (VX6HD 1-6X) and my woods carbine (VX3HD 1.5-5X).

Just as fast as using a RDS, but with some magnification when you need it.
That usage i can understand completely. Ive heard guys complain about it on LRP style optics and general hunting scopes pretty regularly tho.
 
Most scopes - Leupold included - do not always track perfectly. Specifically, what happens is, you dial three clicks on the scope, then the next bullet goes in the SAME HOLE as the previous shot, despite the fact that I dialed three clicks. What should have happened when I turned the knob was a three-quarter-minute change in windage point of impact.

I almost always "box test" a scope at least before I mount it to anything. Line it up on something in the distance, in a bench vise and watch it as you go up, right, down and left, back to the original spot a given number of clicks each. Put them right back in the box if they can't to that, no need to waste any ammo on it.

Worth doing the same thing on a rifle once you get it mounted, taking a shot at each corner as you go.
 
I have several FIREDOT Leupold scopes.

Decent scopes for the money.

I prefer a GREEN dot. Most of the Leupold FIREDOT scopes use a red dot. I can live with red. But given a choice, GREEN is significantly my preference.

Remember, a $400 scope has $400 glass. Nothing will change that.

The thing that bugs me about $400 Leupold scopes is the TRACKING. Most scopes - Leupold included - do not always track perfectly. Specifically, what happens is, you dial three clicks on the scope, then the next bullet goes in the SAME HOLE as the previous shot, despite the fact that I dialed three clicks. What should have happened when I turned the knob was a three-quarter-minute change in windage point of impact. Then when I fire A SECOND SHOT after dialing the correction, now the point of impact changes. The reason it takes a SECOND SHOT, is because recoil forces of the first shot, after you dial a correction, jar the reticle sufficiently to cause the reticle to actually settle to where you dialed. This is annoying.

Moral of the story is, if you put a small correction on the scope, don't count on your point of impact to actually change until you fire two shots. The reticle may move when you turn the knob. But don't count on it. I've seen EXPENSIVE SCOPES do the same thing. Some people tap on the knobs of the scope after making a small adjustment. I'm not sure that helps. But it probably doesn't hurt. You shouldn't have to do that. But I'm here to tell you, BALKY TRACKING is far more common than scope manufacturers (all brands) are willing to admit.

Remember, you are at the mercy of what I like to call "the pissy little spring." That's the spring located inside the reticle turret, typically at around 7:30 relative to the reticle disc. That pissy little spring is what you are counting on to move the reticle when you make an adjustment - ESPECIALLY when you are turning the knob so as to WITHDRAW tension of the adjustment screw against the reticle. What do you think actually moves the reticle when you WITHDRAW the adjustment screw? -- The pissy little spring.

When you are actually DRIVING the adjustment screw into the reticle disk, you are compressing the pissy little spring. We would think that the positive engagement of the adjustment-screw against the reticle disk, as the screw is being driven INTO the disc, would more-reliably move the reticle. I have found this to NOT be the case. Same behavior. Put three clicks on (driving adjustment-screw INTO the reticle) and the shot may just go into the same hole as the previous shot - or may turn up as an elevation-change when your correction was for windage. I don't have a good explanation for this. I can only speculate that the pissy little spring is engaging against the reticle disk in such a way that it causes the reticle to move in an awkward, and unpredictable manner, until recoil of the gun forces the reticle to settle.

And mind you, I'm talking about some REAL PRECISION SHOOTING in my complaint. Most "deer hunter" types would never notice what I'm talking about when they're "sighting in" with a half-box of shells, and resting over the edge of the truck bed. They never shoot long, regular, series of shots. Just get it good enough to kill deer. If that's all you ask of a scope, a $400 Leupold will serve you just dandy.

If I'm shooting a series of shots, in a precision rifle match, and during changing wind conditions, I try to keep my hands off the windage knobs as much as possible. Better to favor. That's where EXPENSIVE GLASS really shines. Much easier to FAVOR three quarters of a minute with good glass, rather than mess with the knobs, and hope something really annoying doesn't happen. The difference between a 10 versus a 9 for the score of a shot is a big deal in precision shooting. Not so much with deer hunting.
Ya leupold really needs to do something about there turrets not tracking, I love there scopes but wouldn't buy anything they make if your twisting the knows much. They would be back on top if they had good turrets.
 
I almost always "box test" a scope at least before I mount it to anything. Line it up on something in the distance, in a bench vise and watch it as you go up, right, down and left, back to the original spot a given number of clicks each. Put them right back in the box if they can't to that, no need to waste any ammo on it.

Worth doing the same thing on a rifle once you get it mounted, taking a shot at each corner as you go.
Ya that's definitely worth doing, I now check everything possible on a scope before mounting after I mounted a scope for a customer and got chewed out for mounting it crooked, turned out when the power ring was turned the reticle did to.
 
Ya that's definitely worth doing, I now check everything possible on a scope before mounting after I mounted a scope for a customer and got chewed out for mounting it crooked, turned out when the power ring was turned the reticle did to.
Thats a fun one, one of my Ritons did that. Poi never changed but the reticle would move a few degrees.
 
Leupold "tracking".
Decades ago even us lowly hunter types knew to tap the turrets after an adjustment on a Gold ring.

Varmint cartridge rigs might not have enough recoil to make things settle.
This the old friction stuff.

Have had some of the newer click models in Freedom and VX3.
They adjusted fine, which was a surprise, but the turrets felt kinda mushy.

Have posted about tapping turrets, even had folks blow me crap at the range.
It does work, may be just an old habit.
But then I got tired of burning really nice handloads for nothing............way back.
 
Since my hunting is mostly under 300 yards I have been a set and forget.
However am thinking of a new Mark 3 HD 6-18X for possible dialing.
Worst case it'll be set and forget.
See what happens.
 
Leupold "tracking".
Decades ago even us lowly hunter types knew to tap the turrets after an adjustment on a Gold ring.

Varmint cartridge rigs might not have enough recoil to make things settle.
This the old friction stuff.

Have had some of the newer click models in Freedom and VX3.
They adjusted fine, which was a surprise, but the turrets felt kinda mushy.

Have posted about tapping turrets, even had folks blow me crap at the range.
It does work, may be just an old habit.
But then I got tired of burning really nice handloads for nothing............way back.
I don't know if the tapping works on the latest generation of leupolds but it sure does on my 90s vari-xii with fiction rings, the ring actually goes down some when tapping them. The clicks feel much better on the vx-3hd's compared to the vx-3i's.
 
I had a VX-R with Firedot and currently have a VX-6 with Firedot on my 7 mag Browning. As noted, there is a push button under the side turret cap that turns it on, each push then progresses through a series of ten brightness levels, then shuts off. It goes anywhere from barely visible to a bright pin point that is extremely easy to see but is small enough to not obscure the target

Also as noted, it has the shake awake. Just be sure to turn it off on the side once the hunt is over or it will stay on if you have it in a moving vehicle. I‘ve not replaced my battery so I have no idea of the life.

I got my original one for a bear hunt in Canada. Black crosshairs on a black animal in heavy forest at dusk while it’s raining are impossible to see. The Firedot was fantastic. To me, it’s absolutely perfect for a hunting rifle
 
Was gonna get a vx3hd 3.5-10x 30mm w firedot for my Steyr 3006. But then got a 308 rifle that mandates a 1" tube so never did. Thought thatd be a dandy all around scope. But on a Ruger #1A a 30mm doesnt look right aesthetically. ......to me.

The rifle shoots good, but i bought it because it looks pretty. LOL
 
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