Uberti Cattleman CMS?... CCW?

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I dont see how a SAA is in any way inferior to anything, the guns is but a tool, the skill and performance in the shooters hand.

if you are intimately familiar with one, there is no drawback save capacity, and thats a whole other debate...id rather have fewer rounds but 45, than more but 9mm
 
A double action revolver can be reloaded very quickly with a speed loader. Far faster than a single action revolver. As for which is better for defense, that depends on the shooter and his or her experience. For me a DA revolver is far more effective than a single action revolver.
 
And of those that carry extra ammo how many are like me and don't even practice the shaky, sweaty, pleasedon'tkillme reload.
 
I suppose those advocates of CCWing a SA revolver would choose a lever action as the best combat rifle. They most likely never carry a spare tire in their car because they never had a flat and don't have life jackets in their boat as its never sunk.

If you carry a SA revolver for SD when there are better things available I will give you two things:

1. Yes you are seriously armed
2. Yes you may be able to defend yourself if the fight stays within the parameters of your weapons system.

the guns is but a tool, the skill and performance in the shooters hand.

Yes the gun is but a tool. You need to better define it though. Its usefulness as a tool is because it is a weapon. Guns were not invented to punch holes in paper or shoot soda cans. After the first 5 shots, a SA revolver is about as efficient as using a 2# hammer instead of a power nailer to shingle a roof.

People like Thell Reed and others have proven how fast one can be with a SA. 99.99999% of us are no where near their level of expertise.

IMHO the majority of people who carry a SA revolver as a choice of SD firearm have very little concept of what a gunfight is all about and do so because it looks cool.

if you are intimately familiar with one, there is no drawback save capacity, and thats a whole other debate...id rather have fewer rounds but 45, than more but 9mm

Learning how to use a DA revolver is not an insurmountable task. There have been millions who have done so. I have never met anyone who has been in a gunfight wish he had a gun that held fewer rounds.
 
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I have to wonder if any of the naysayers spend as much time shooting their preferred weapon as I do with mine.

Because it looks cool??? Last I heard, 99.99% of carry weapons were carried concealed, so who is it exactly we're trying to impress???


IMHO the majority of people who carry a SA revolver as a choice of SD firearm have very little concept of what a gunfight is all about and do so because it looks cool.
IMHO, the majority of people who think it's a bad idea have a thimbleful of knowledge on the subject. All pure bias stemming from what they 'think' they know. Sad how this thread started out about a sixgun and turned into a peeing contest by those who would never buy one anyway.


All of which makes me really glad I don't let anonymous strangers on the internet make my choices. I suggest everyone else do the same.
 
I have to wonder if any of the naysayers spend as much time shooting their preferred weapon as I do with mine.

What you do on the range and what you do in a fight may be two different things. I don't know how much time you spend on the range or how well you shoot and you don't know what other people do in this regard. That doesn't matter. There are many psychological and physical factors that make a SA revolver a poor choice as a SD gun when there are other things available. We're talking equipment not skill.


Because it looks cool??? Last I heard, 99.99% of carry weapons were carried concealed, so who is it exactly we're trying to impress???

You only have to impress yourself. I take it your friends don't know or have ever seen your CCW? No one has ever seen your CCW.


IMHO, the majority of people who think it's a bad idea have a thimbleful of knowledge on the subject. All pure bias stemming from what they 'think' they know. Sad how this thread started out about a sixgun and turned into a peeing contest by those who would never buy one anyway.

I can guarantee many of the negative repsonses are from people who have much more than a thimbleful of knowledge on the subject. It seems your personal bias is from what you may think you know. I have never seen any genuine expert (in the past 100 years anyway) advocate a SA revolver is the best SD handgun over anything else. Reed, Cooper, Ayoob, Skelton, Cirillo or anyone else I have ever heard of say that. Please find me one who does so.

The negative comments were generated not because of the type of gun but because of its intended use. I believe it is a nice revolver. Just not an ideal CCW.

By the way, I do own several SA revolvers that I shoot well but would never be my choice for a combat handgun if there were something else available. You apparently have ignored my comment about being armed with a weapon that will work as long as everything stays within the limitations of the weapon.

All of which makes me really glad I don't let anonymous strangers on the internet make my choices. I suggest everyone else do the same.

At least we closed on a point of agreement.
 
What you do on the range and what you do in a fight may be two different things.
I'm well aware of this. Which is actually part of my point. Which is why I want to be carrying the firearm I am MOST familiar and proficient with. Because I want my weapon handling to be as thoughtless and instinctive as possible. Not gonna spend 90% of my shooting time shooting and carrying single actions, which as I said before is nearly every day, and then carry something completely different in town. Only a FOOL would do so.


You only have to impress yourself. I take it your friends don't know or have ever seen your CCW? No one has ever seen your CCW.
It is irrelevant. Sorry buddy but you can't arbitrarily dismiss this one because you think I'm just doing it to show off.


It seems your personal bias is from what you may think you know.
Personal bias does not even enter into the equation.


I have never seen any genuine expert (in the past 100 years anyway) advocate a SA revolver is the best SD handgun over anything else. Reed, Cooper, Ayoob, Skelton, Cirillo or anyone else I have ever heard of say that. Please find me one who does so.
You won't find anyone calling anything the "best" but you will find self defense courses designed around the single action revolver at Gunsite and Thunder Ranch. Their sentiments mirror my own, that if you are most familiar with an SA, then it IS a viable self defense weapon.


You apparently have ignored my comment about being armed with a weapon that will work as long as everything stays within the limitations of the weapon.
What limitations are these? Reloading speed? We've covered that. Cocking the hammer? We've covered that. I never carry a reload anyway, so what am I really giving up when I strap on a sixgun vs. an Officer's length 1911?
 
Unless I'm a LEO or in the military, I'm not expecting to get into a "gun fight". I'd bet most people who stick a J frame in their pocket aren't either.

I'm sure an LEO isn't going to expect to be deal with aicraft dropping Daisy Cutters either.(not a whole lot less likely than me getting into and extended gun battle) His multiple reloads aren't going to serve him well in that case.

Point is you prepare for what you believe to be reasonable for your own situation.

A SAA or Blackhawk on your hip is no less prepared than a J frame in your pocket with no reload. I'd be willing to bet the average person with a J frame in their pocket isn't carrying reloads either.
 
I suppose those advocates of CCWing a SA revolver would choose a lever action as the best combat rifle. They most likely never carry a spare tire in their car because they never had a flat

Hey Grizz. Do you carry a pair of full size spares in your car? You really should replace tires in pairs if you are to be propperly prepared.

Or do you go with a "space saver"? ;)

What's most appropriate for your situation?

You wouldn't run the Daytona 500 on a space saver, and you wouldn't have a 53' Kenworth tractor trailer follow you down the road with multiple tires and parts to go to the grocery store.
Or do you? ;)
 
I suppose those advocates of CCWing a SA revolver would choose a lever action as the best combat rifle. They most likely never carry a spare tire in their car because they never had a flat and don't have life jackets in their boat as its never sunk.
If you're not proficient with a proper battle rifle, then hell yes. The tool is worthless if you don't have the skill to operate it effectively. I didn't buy my first AR until six months ago and I'm still not completely comfortable with it. Conversely, I can run a levergun without thinking.

It still boggles the mind that some actually put more importance on the equipment than the skill to use it effectively.
 
It still boggles the mind that some actually put more importance on the equipment than the skill to use it effectively.

No, it’s that some put more importance on working to attain the highest level of skill, while using the best equipment for whatever the proposed purpose is.

For the purpose of picking what kind of handgun to use as a current-day concealed weapon it should be clear that something introduced in 1873 might not be the best choice. Practice would probably make one more competent with one, but an equal amount of practice with a better platform would likely pay off with the ability to do things that the old six-shooter isn’t capable of.

Fortunately those that chose the single-action as a “weapon of choice” are probably protected by the likelihood that they will never have to fire a shot in anger. Those who because of profession, location or lifestyle are more likely to face a higher threat level usually pick something else to stake their lives on.
 
Those who because of profession, location or lifestyle are more likely to face a higher threat level usually pick something else to stake their lives on.
That much is a given. Nowhere here have you seen me try to talk anybody into anything. Merely explaining my choices and why.

I think our biggest issue here is a lack of perspective. Apparently those who live in or near the city, who only use an indoor 25yd range a couple times a month and who only shoot handguns more socially acceptable for self defense think everybody else lives the same way. It's painfully obvious when you see so many folks recommend Glocks for trail guns. I don't live in a major metropolis, or anywhere near one.. Been there, done that, carried a Glock when I did, ain't going back. Like I said before, and again I'm only explaining my own choices, I live in the middle of nowhere. I live alone on 100acres, at least until June. I raise cattle, chickens and apparently barn cats. Shooting is almost all I ever do. I have a legitimate need to carry and use a firearm nearly every day. I also shoot nearly every day. I don't carry them just in case a bad guy jumps me, I USE THEM almost daily. Whether it's coons in my feed stores, snakes in the yard on my way to get the mail, rats running out from under the tractor, a fox trotting by on the edge of the woods, coyotes in the pasture, etc., etc., ad nauseum. So it should be rather obvious that I do not have the same needs in a sidearm as your average city dweller. Because I don't. I need a revolver due to its vastly superior versatility and I choose the single action because I like them better, always have. I've got a nice selection of older S&W's that will simply never get used to the extent that my SA's do. In daily life, your average "self defense pistol" has about as much utility as chrome wheels on a tractor. They are far too limited in their practical application. I simply do not care for them and thus, I own few and shoot fewer. I shoot single actions almost daily. I am intimately famliar with them. I operate them instinctively and without thinking. So tell me, why in the hell would I strap on a completely different firearm when I go to town, than the one I am most familiar, proficient and comfortable with? Whether I'm going to a podunk local town for cattle feed or all the way to Memphis or Nashville, it matters not.


For the purpose of picking what kind of handgun to use as a current-day concealed weapon it should be clear that something introduced in 1873 might not be the best choice.
Yes because the S&W hand ejector and 1911 are sooooo much newer.


I will choose my own weaponry based on my own needs, preferences and desires. I suggest everybody else do the same. :rolleyes:
 
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You only have to impress yourself. I take it your friends don't know or have ever seen your CCW? No one has ever seen your CCW.

It is irrelevant. Sorry buddy but you can't arbitrarily dismiss this one because you think I'm just doing it to show off.


Okay but the OP apparently thought it cool.

So I got to thinking, both of these features make it even more ideal for a CCW gun... Unfortunately is it still stuck with the SAA's five rounds.... but if you don't have big bucks for a custom Robar or otherwise, this may be a cool option


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It seems your personal bias is from what you may think you know.

Personal bias does not even enter into the equation


We are arguing SAs as a CCW vs better combat handguns. I'd say its all about personal bias.

You won't find anyone calling anything the "best" but you will find self defense courses designed around the single action revolver at Gunsite and Thunder Ranch. Their sentiments mirror my own, that if you are most familiar with an SA, then it IS a viable self defense weapon.


I guess you never read anything by Jeff Cooper extolling the virtues of the 1911 as a combat handgun. Before he died he even had nice things to say about Glocks. Reputable gun schools offer courses around SAs not because of a change of philosophy but because people are willing to pay for them. A business decision nothing more no sentiments involved. If people insist on carrying a SA as a SD gun we're willing to take their money and show the best ways.

I never said the SA wasn't a viable defesne weapon, I said:

1. Yes you are seriously armed
2. Yes you may be able to defend yourself if the fight stays within the parameters of your weapons system.


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You apparently have ignored my comment about being armed with a weapon that will work as long as everything stays within the limitations of the weapon.

What limitations are these? Reloading speed? We've covered that. Cocking the hammer? We've covered that. I never carry a reload anyway, so what am I really giving up when I strap on a sixgun vs. an Officer's length 1911?


Your major limitation is you don't carry a reload so your reloading speed is running back to the house I suppose. If its not over in 5-6 rounds your survival depends on how fast you can run and how well you can dodge the inferior 9mms coming from that BGs Glock.

A SAA or Blackhawk on your hip is no less prepared than a J frame in your pocket with no reload.

No argument from me on that point. I have always been an advocate of carrying a reload for whatever you have and I do.

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I suppose those advocates of CCWing a SA revolver would choose a lever action as the best combat rifle. They most likely never carry a spare tire in their car because they never had a flat

Hey Grizz. Do you carry a pair of full size spares in your car? You really should replace tires in pairs if you are to be propperly prepared.


Space saver spares have proven to be adequate in emergency situations just as SAs have proven adequate in SD situations when used within their limitations. I won't drive 75 mph on a space saver and I won't carry a SA for SD. My life is an issue with each and I want to give myself every edge I can get.

If you're not proficient with a proper battle rifle, then hell yes. The tool is worthless if you don't have the skill to operate it effectively. I didn't buy my first AR until six months ago and I'm still not completely comfortable with it. Conversely, I can run a levergun without thinking.

Many people are proficient with a variety of weapons. If you're not well you're not. Reloading that tube magazine on the lever action can be no where near as fast as swapping magazines in that AR. This thread has become a discussion of the best or better weapon for the job. I've used ARs for over 40 years for fun and serious work. Easy rifle to use. Millions have done it.

Nowhere here have you seen me try to talk anybody into anything. Merely explaining my choices and why

Isn't that what everyone is doing here. Conversation on why we think the way we do?

It still boggles the mind that some actually put more importance on the equipment than the skill to use it effectively.

It is important to use better equipment if its available. I realize that boggles some minds.

Apparently those who live in or near the city, who only use an indoor 25yd range a couple times a month and who only shoot handguns more socially acceptable for self defense think everybody else lives the same way. It's painfully obvious...

All of us who carry "socially acceptable" handguns know everyone doesn't live the same way. If that's the case then your SA is "socailly unacceptable" as a SD gun, kind of roguish...yeah, kind of cool! You said it I didn't.

I have a legitimate need to carry and use a firearm nearly every day.

Based on this statement those who carry for SD don't have a legitimate need to carry a gun? Isn't using certain guns for SD a legitimate need?

I also shoot nearly every day. I don't carry them just in case a bad guy jumps me, I USE THEM almost daily

OK but if there are seven rats in your feed you need to run back to the house for a reload (you said you never carry a reload). I suppose you engage each rat, snake , or barn cat with a quick draw and shooting as if your life depended on it. How many do you shoot a day vs all the city slickers that shoot at indoor ranges?

I will choose my own weaponry based on my own needs, preferences and desires. I suggest everybody else do the same.

Fine but it took several pages for you to say the primary purpose of your sidearm is shooting vermin not SD. A SA is fine for shooting vermin but there are better choices for SD as some have been discussing.
 
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"Nowhere here have you seen me try to talk anybody into anything. Merely explaining my choices and why

Isn't that what everyone is doing here. Conversation on why we think the way we do?"

No, you are crassly criticizing my choice of handguns for self defense. And you are starting to sound very juvenile. Espsecially attempting to bait CraigC with remarks about vermin and self defense.

CarigC, we have attracted the children.


See my signature.


Well......BYE!!
 
Space saver spares have proven to be adequate in emergency situations just as SAs have proven adequate in SD situations when used within their limitations. I won't drive 75 mph on a space saver and I won't carry a SA for SD. My life is an issue with each and I want to give myself every edge I can get.
Grizz
Well you've picked a tire that I personally would find inadequate for my own usage and situation. There are much better tire options available you know. ;)

I however wouldn't presume to tell you that you ought to use something different. If you're comfy with your choice, that's all that really matters . :)

If you want every "edge" you can get... how far out do you take that?
Body armor?
Bullet proof glass?
Armored vehicle?

We all look at our own situations, and choose what we think is right for us.

Craig chooses a single action for his situation as do others. What exactly is wrong with that?

You choose a space saver spare while I go with a full size, and in an earlier part of my life... TWO full size spares.



Better for you doesn't equal better for the next guy.
 
And you are starting to sound very juvenile. Espsecially attempting to bait CraigC with remarks about vermin and self defense.


He brought up vermin I didn't.

There is nothing crass or juvenile in my responses to the exchange of ideas at hand.

We all look at our own situations, and choose what we think is right for us.


We have been attempting to discuss the attributes of different firearms. Refusing to acknowledge the limitations of something is not wise.


OK I'm done.
 
If you want to carry a SA 5 shot revolver for CCW more power to you. I personally want more odds stacked in my favor.

When I was in the service (Viet Nam) there was a young guy that flew in the Observation Helicopters that carried a Ruger Blackhawk in .357 while the rest of us carried M&P .38 Spls. I did not think he would survive the year but somehow he did.

But, he did have a door gunner sitting behind him with an M60 for backup. If it hadn't been for the backup I doubt he would have made it through the deployment.
 
I am just not as good with SA revolvers as I am with a DA revolver. Therefore my carry revolver is a DA. If I was better with a SA revolver, I would be tempted to carry it. However, if I was ever in a gun fight I would want as many rounds as possible and a weapon system that I could quickly reload.
 
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