US will not challenge gun ban in national parks

[runrabbitrun]

Sorry folks.
I was just being sarcastic with that 'what might go down' comment above.
Interesting how my 'comment'
had some jump to the conclusion I would harm the peace officer.
I can see where the insinuation may be there, but rest assured...
I wouldn't risk going to jail, just to take my family on a stroll in our national
parks SAFELY anymore.
That's why I concluded, until this violation of our constitutional rights is restored...
Me and mine will simply steer clear of national parks in the future.
Because the present administration apparently doesn't feel the American citizens have
a right to defend themselves in nation parks.
(OMG another gun free zone)...


I'm simply trying to illustrate my frustration
of how absurd and extreme this is. OK?
I mean come on.
We can't lawfully carry handguns into a national park
for self defense, to deter would be attackers of the two and possibly four legged kind?

People have been attacked, kidnapped, murdered, raped and robbed in national parks.
I'd submit because the BGs know we are unarmed, and because,
well... bad guys go to national parks too and nobody's around.
So why not go have a 'little fun' with that couple and their kids camping just down stream.
Hell from what I seen, there's also major weed production in national parks as well.
And we all know what that brings.
OH NO... All those bad bad pot growers and all their illegal weapons.
(Psss. I think they got those guns from Mexico lol)

I say it's just another chip away at our freedoms.
I could of swore I read some document that said something to the effect of
my RTKBA not being infringed?

The point I'm trying to articulate is:
I'm just frustrated, sick and tired of the overreaching of the federal government
and I'm not at all comfortable with the way it's heading.
I'm tired of the constant attacks on our rights by the very government we employ
and it seems our letters do no good,
our votes don't count, and there's no common sense left at all in
the federal government.
These people are not protecting our constitutional rights.
On the contrary, IMO they are effectively doing away with them.

When are we as a people going to draw the line?
When is enough enough?
How far are we going to let them go before we say NO...
And they get the message, we damn well mean it.

 

[runrabbitrun]

edited...
Some how it double posted.. hmmm

 

[slidelock15]

I can't help but wonder what would happen if some well funded group would approach the Ranger union, FOP or whatever and inform them a decision had been made to file civil rights violation charges against any Park Service Employee who infringed on the right of their membership to exercise. Then suggest that they might want to have the Park Service indemnify(pay their legal bills)any employee in writing. Then make the same announcement publicly. Just the threat should make things interesting.

 

[Duke of Doubt]

I may go down in history as the only person legally to have carried concealed in Acadia National Park.

I hope not.

Feral lobsters are a menace.

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Originally Posted by AP News
Paul Helmke, president of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, which filed a lawsuit to block the Bush rule, said he was pleased at the Obama administration's decision.

"Semiautomatic weapons have no place in the valleys of Yellowstone, on the cliffs of Yosemite or under the torch of the Statue of Liberty," he said.

Helmke said the government should not spend any more resources analyzing the old Bush rule, but added: "We hope and expect that the Obama administration will conclude that the rule can only make our parks more dangerous and should not be implemented."

this part of the article makes me feel really disgusted.

Better informed of the position of our opposition and disgusted, than uninformed and unaware.

I have never had confrontational problems with BG in a National Park.

Some have had confrontational problems with bad guys in parks. Two friends of my brother stopped at an overlook to admire the fall foliage on their way to band practice. A car jacker killed them for their car keys and eleven dollars pocket change. Banning concealed carry by lawful permit holders can only encourage BGs.

 

[TexasRifleman]

under the torch of the Statue of Liberty

Love that one the best.

"We don't need any free Americans standing around the symbol of free Americans"

 

[razorback2003]

Not Felony

It is my understanding that you are not committing a felony charge by carrying a firearm in a national park. You are breaking a park regulation....that is basically a misdemeanor offense. Remember, the park regulation was changed by the dept of interior in the fall. Most people are fined for a misdemeanor. I have yet to see any metal detectors at the entrances of national parks or airport style X Ray machines. I tend to value my life more than a simple fine.

 

[TexasRifleman]

It is my understanding that you are not committing a felony charge by carrying a firearm in a national park. You are breaking a park regulation....that is basically a misdemeanor offense. Remember, the park regulation was changed by the dept of interior in the fall.

I'm not sure that's how it works.

It is a felony to carry on Federal Property, and there is an exception "for other lawful purposes".

If the Park regulation allows it, then it becomes an "other lawful purpose" but if the park regulation doesn't, it's carrying on Federal Property, a felony.

That's why carry in National Forests is exempt, it's a "lawful purpose" since it's allowed in National Forest regulations.

That's my understanding of it anyway, could be wrong.

 

[wyocarp]

I have never had confrontational problems with BG in a National Park. I HAVE had my vehicle trashed at a trail head. For the most part, BG want something... money, drugs, what-have-you. Most people more than a day hike from a parking lot do not have the "the stuff" that BGs are looking for. They don't seem willing to commit felonies over my camping gear. While the ruling is disappointing, I don't intend to commit a felony for fear of my life in the backcountry. I know the kinds of things that would lead to my own civil disobedience of gun laws (national registration, for example), but this is not one of them.

This person doesn't say where he lives (Why is it such a secret on here that people don't want people to know the state they live in?). Anyway, the national park that is in my state is a place I would like to explore more but I would really rather not because of the rapidly growing grizzly, wolf, and mountain lion populations. Instead, I avoid the park like the plague. The park rangers are complete jerks that have been transplanted here from states with all types of gun restrictions I guess. I've lived and worked within walking distance to the park for a number of years and tried my hardest to avoid it most of the time. When I did have to drive through it (it is impossible to avoid when traveling to the north or northwest from Jackson) I just did so illegally.

It's totally ridiculous. During hunting season in the fall, because the parks there are greedy, they will sell special permits and all sorts of idiots with guns blast away in the most dangerously flury of gunfire one can imagine. But, other months of the year, responsible gun owners can't be allowed in the parks. It is the biggest load of crap anyone can peddle.

 

[coylh]

For the most part, BG want something... money, drugs, what-have-you. Most people more than a day hike from a parking lot do not have the "the stuff" that BGs are looking for. They don't seem willing to commit felonies over my camping gear.

Sometimes they're not satisfied with the "stuff."

http://www.amw.com/fugitives/case.cfm?id=63526

On Feb. 9, 2009, cops say a nature-loving resident of Washougal, Wash. was the victim of a vicious carjacking which left him hospitalized. Robert Tracey, 52, had come to the Dougan Falls area for a day of cross-country skiing.

Police say Michael and Teven Collins walked up to Tracey, took his car keys and told them they had to kill him.

He was beaten repeatedly, in and around the head and torso with a stick, dragged through the woods and left for dead.