Value loss after firing a new Sig P220?

[CRF450808]

I picked up a new Sig P220R SAO full-size and I may end up having to sell it. Can anyone give advice as to how much value it could lose if fired?

Thanks in advance!

 

[rferizano]

Firing it doesn't matter. It became a used gun the minute you transferred it into your name from the FFL. 15 to 20% is about the typical loss ratio.

 

[rellascout]

A few hundred rounds will not matter much IMHO. Either way it is still a used gun. The P220 SAO are not rare and not old enough to have any collector value.

 

[Hawkman]

The second you signed the 4473 and paid the bill it was a used gun worth about 1/2 - 2/3 the price you paid (if you sell to an ffl). Firing it won't affect the value; abusing it will.

 

[amblerrl]

sig

they are all fired at the factory before being shipped. might lose a little but with box and paperwork not much.

once it was sold at retail it has already lost a good amount of value.

 

[NG VI]

A few hundred rounds through a modern handgun, especially a service-type auto, is still new condition. But it's still used as far as the market goes.

 

[billdeserthills]

I picked up a new Sig P220R SAO full-size and I may end up having to sell it. Can anyone give advice as to how much value it could lose if fired?

Thanks in advance!

Wow, too bad you aren't in Arizona, private sale gun prices exceed dealer purchased gun prices in most cases here little thing I like to call the Lunatic Fringe

 

[drsfmd]

Hawkman's got it right... just like buying a new car.

 

[Steel Horse Rider]

Hang on to it for a couple of years, the way the value of the dollar is dropping you should be able to sell it for a good deal more than you paid as new gun prices should keep climbing like a rocket.

 

[cskny]

The second you signed the 4473 and paid the bill it was a used gun worth about 1/2 - 2/3 the price you paid (if you sell to an ffl). Firing it won't affect the value; abusing it will.

AGREE, because:

SIG SAUER warrants that the enclosed firearm was originally manufactured free of defects in material, workmanship and mechanical function. For the lifetime of the original purchaser, SIG SAUER agrees to correct any defect in the firearm for the original purchaser by repair, adjustment or replacement, at SIG SAUER' option, with the same or comparable quality components (or by replacing the firearms at SIG SAUER' option); provided, however, that the firearm is returned unloaded and freight prepaid to SIG SAUER at 18 Industrial Drive, Exeter, NH 03833.

A future owner is not the original purchaser. Most manufacturer's write their warranty this way and can choose not to help a 2nd (3rd...whatever) owner. So fired or not, it's still used if you transfer it to someone else.

 

[CRF450808]

Thanks for all the information. I understand that once I complete the purchase its a used firearm and it has been fired at the factory, of course. Ok..used is used... I guess if anything it would make it more attractive to a potential buyer but not really change the price much...

I never considered the warranty, interesting point, thanks cskny.. I had some warranty work done on a CZ & a Ruger and that was never even brought up.. they could have simply chose not to enforce any such veribage... I even told Ruger I purchased it used and they replaced my Speed6 with a brand new gp100 ( GREAT company)

We'll.. I'm sure shooting it will make it difficult to sell! Now there is a real dilemma

 

[cskny]

Thanks for all the information. I understand that once I complete the purchase its a used firearm and it has been fired at the factory, of course. Ok..used is used... I guess if anything it would make it more attractive to a potential buyer but not really change the price much...

I never considered the warranty, interesting point, thanks cskny.. I had some warranty work done on a CZ & a Ruger and that was never even brought up.. they could have simply chose not to enforce any such veribage... I even told Ruger I purchased it used and they replaced my Speed6 with a brand new gp100 ( GREAT company)

We'll.. I'm sure shooting it will make it difficult to sell! Now there is a real dilemma

Actually, not a surprise. Ruger is one of the only ones I know that specifically says the warranty will follow the gun, not just the original purchaser. I think that's fantastic.

 

[KenW.]

Most value is lost as you walk out the gunshop door.

 

[mgmorden]

Actually, not a surprise. Ruger is one of the only ones I know that specifically says the warranty will follow the gun, not just the original purchaser. I think that's fantastic.

Actually, Ruger is pretty specific in saying that they provide NO warranty to any owner - original or not. They have a "promise" to fix anything that breaks, which they've seemed to hold pretty good to over the years.

For the most part it seems that they went this route as an official warranty has legal obligations, whilst their promise allows for the application of common sense (ie, if a gun has been abused, or just plain worn out, then they might refuse it).

As to unfired - I doubt it'll do much. The P220 as said isn't really a collector's item, so most people who would buy such a gun would be buying it to fire it themselves. Why would they pay a premium for a status that they're about to nullify?

 

[NG VI]

Why would they pay a premium for a status that they're about to nullify?

And couldn't verify anyway?

 

[rellascout]

Actually, not a surprise. Ruger is one of the only ones I know that specifically says the warranty will follow the gun, not just the original purchaser. I think that's fantastic.

How would Sig know if you are the orginal owner? I have had warranty work done by Sig and other manufacturers and no one has every asked me for proof of purchase.

 

[cskny]

Actually, Ruger is pretty specific in saying that they provide NO warranty to any owner - original or not. They have a "promise" to fix anything that breaks, which they've seemed to hold pretty good to over the years.

Yes, and that promise goes with the gun, not the owner. Other companies non-written warranty "promises" go to the original owner.

 

[cskny]

How would Sig know if you are the orginal owner? I have had warranty work done by Sig and other manufacturers and no one has every asked me fir proof of purchase.

You've been lucky.

If the original owner registered it (online or mail), they would know. If the factory did any work previously, they would know. In addition, they could simply ask for proof of purchase. When you buy "used", you generally have no idea if any of these things happened.

 

[drsfmd]

The P220 as said isn't really a collector's item, so most people who would buy such a gun would be buying it to fire it themselves. Why would they pay a premium for a status that they're about to nullify?

On a gun that's still available...

 

[rellascout]

You've been lucky.

If the original owner registered it (online or mail), they would know. If the factory did any work previously, they would know. In addition, they could simply ask for proof of purchase. When you buy "used", you generally have no idea if any of these things happened

Luck has nothing to do with it. It has been my experience that most people do not register the gun when they purchase it. Most guns do not ever go back to the factory for work. If you run into a defective gun the cource of action is straight forward. You call the manufaturer tell them what the issue is and request service. If they ask do you have the reciept you simply state no. I do not have copies of reciepts for many of the gun I have purchased new or used. Most people are not good at keeping paperwork.

Most gun manufacturers know this and therefore don't even ask. You have their product and it is defective you call them and you send it back. They fix it and return it to you. If they give you push back you simply ask to speak to the next level of service. Most of the time you will get to someone who will make good on the defective product assuming that your issue is an acutal defect.

Have you ever sent a gun back to a manufacturer for a warranty repair where you had to prove proof of purchase before they would accept it? If so who was the company?

 

[jimmyraythomason]

Most value is lost as you walk out the gunshop door.

Only if you try to sell or trade it to a dealer. If selling or trading with an individual,it's "value" is what the buyer and seller agree on(even if that is more than retail). In my state,it isn't like selling a car because it isn't titled or registered. A car dealer who titles anything in his inventory(in order to avoid ad-valorem taxes)cannot sell it as new,even if it came directly to him from the assembly line. If I buy a new gun from a shop,never shoot it (and keep all the paperwork) but decide I don't want it,I can legally advertise it as and sell it as "new".

 

[rellascout]

Only if you try to sell or trade it to a dealer. If selling or trading with an individual,it's "value" is what the buyer and seller agree on(even if that is more than retail). In my state,it isn't like selling a car because it isn't titled or registered. A car dealer who titles anything in his inventory(in order to avoid ad-valorem taxes)cannot sell it as new,even if it came directly to him from the assembly line. If I buy a new gun from a shop,never shoot it (and keep all the paperwork) but decide I don't want it,I can legally advertise it as and sell it as "new".

You can call it whatever you want. You can call it "new" but only a fool is going to pay you the same $$ for it as they would pay for the same gun NIB.

If I can go to a shop and buy NIB for $700 why would I buy from a individual NIB for $700 unless I am a prohibted person.

 

[jimmyraythomason]

If I can go to a shop and buy NIB for $700 why would I buy from a individual NIB for $700 unless I am a prohibted person.

It happens more than you realize. I've had several people offer me more than I paid new for several of my guns(and No they were not prohibited persons). A new hammer is still a new hammer until it hits a nail,pulls a nail or cracks a walnut,no matter how many people have owned it. Owning anything does not alter it one iota(except for things that have to be titled or registered).

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

I agree with the others; it has already lost value anyway, so shooting it some won't hurt anything, unless you wear the frame rails down to the silver or something.

 

[rellascout]

It happens more than you realize. I've had several people offer me more than I paid new for several of my guns(and No they were not prohibited persons). A new hammer is still a new hammer until it hits a nail,pulls a nail or cracks a walnut,no matter how many people have owned it. Owning anything does not alter it one iota(except for things that have to be titled or registered).

Oh I know it happens. I am overstating it a little bit but you know what they say about a fool and his money.....

Again you can call it whatever you want once the 4473 has been filled out and the firearm transfered to your possession it is used.