Video Appears to Show Beheading of American

[JPL]

"In fact, those abusive personnel should have Berg's death on their consciences."

I guess that means I have 3,000 dead in New York on my consciences because I'm Jewish and I work for the government and everyone knows how the Zionist American government is responsible for the plight of Muslims around the wold.

You really think that these animals needed any sort of excuse?

 

[RealGun]

This is another case where I have to try not to overreact and to ask myself whether I can handle the information. I figure that if we hadn't screwed up and been exposed, this would not have happened. It really was predictable in some form. Who would have expected something this barbaric though? We like to live by our own standards, but we know that doesn't always work with some adversaries of a different culture. If we needed an excuse to be heavy handed, this would be a good one. I notice that the Israelis don't mess around or pussy foot when one of their people is done dirty. That model has its appeal.

 

[Sean Smith]

*Shrug*

Isn't it kind of strange that OUR horrible scandal is some MPs treating Iraqi prisoners to the kind of abuse fraternity pledges used to get (complete with fake-"gay" behavior), and meanwhile Iraqi theologians can't agree that murder and mutilation of corpses are a bad thing? That's quite an ethical gulf there, and it isn't America on the short end of that stick.

It really speaks to our better qualities that many Americans want to fire the Secretary of Defense over this and court martial everyone within 100 miles of the place. Our enemies, meanwhile, hold block parties whenever Americans are murdered and use the corpses for pinatas.

I know this will infuriate some of my fellow members, but I think it needs to be said anyway: This ugly incident in no way validates or excuses the abuse of Iraqi prisoners at the hands of US personnel.

That's true. And that's why we are better than our enemies. The whole point is to be better than they are. Your enemies being scumbags doesn't let you off the ethical hook.

 

[fix]

I agree mostly with what Golgo said, but I like the way Leatherneck said it.

 

[Antlurz]

Now, see? we've gone and made them angry.

Animals. These dregs have no comprehension what civilization means .

Glad to see you made the trip here Marine. Methinks you'll like the scenery

Ron

 

[JPL]

"The whole point is to be better than they are. Your enemies being scumbags doesn't let you off the ethical hook."

It's far beyond the point where ethics should have anything to do with anything anymore.

It should be all about survival.

I guess, though, you've won a resounding moral victory if you keep your ethics intact while your brains are leaking out your ears.

Given the choice between personal ethics and dead Iraqis...

 

[Dave P]

"and I'm supposed to care that a couple American soldiers posed some nakid Iraqes and took pictures and made them feel bad about themselves?" I don't care too much.

So what the captors in Iraq did was wrong, I don't see that anyone was physically harmed. And then we have everybody and his brother complaining about how we treat the prisoners, with congression hearings planned, etc.

Where were these same people when the iraqis hung our burned citizens bodies from the bridge? And where are they now that our citizens are being beheaded?

There is just no comparison to the level of torment inflicted in the two incidents - the concern for how we treat the prisoners is way out of whack.

 

[Leatherneck]

Good points, Sean.

Marinesg1012: Welcome to THR, Brother. "Hanoi, Vietnam" I was there once; you better get home, Young Man.

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[ID_shooting]

Posted this in another thread, but it applies here as well...

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."

OK, this may bet me banned, or at least this post get deleted, but...

This is why war should be executed with extreeme prejudice. I know many of you would like to see us aplogize for the incedent in the prison, but this group of people do not understnad this, nothing short of total anialation will stop things like this from happening.

We are at war folks, these are not peace talks, these are not surrender negotiations, WAR.

I know most you think my comments as ugly and grotesqe, how do you think we defeated the Germans and the Japanese, eliminated thier abilty to wage war, then crushed them in a war of attrition. We need to do the same here.

War is never pretty, but by the time I was done with them, there wouldn't be enough left of them to hold up a 7-11 much less commit attacks.

Before you flame the heck out of me, delete my post, or ban me from the board, I want you to sit back and think about what I said and then respond as you see fit.

 

[Marinesg1012]

Ron- Thanks it took a little bit though highroad.com brings you somewhere crazy and thehighroad.com brings you to another place

Leatherneck- Where you in Hanoi or just Vietnam? it is nice here but after a year and a half I want to see the states. You can PM me I don't want to sidetrack this thread

 

[Carlos]

I don't see anything to get banned for. I agree with you 100%. These people are pure evil, and are not much better than animals (Jackels comes to mind).

No, WAR ain't pretty, and we need to turn over Iraq to the Iraqis and get the heck out of there fast. Nothing more can be accomplished under our current course.

 

[JPL]

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls."

Fine with me, if its Muslim blood and Muslim soul. The more the merrier.

 

[OF]

Who would have expected something this barbaric though?

:banghead:

- Gabe

 

[Sean Smith]

"The whole point is to be better than they are. Your enemies being scumbags doesn't let you off the ethical hook."

It's far beyond the point where ethics should have anything to do with anything anymore.

It should be all about survival.

I guess, though, you've won a resounding moral victory if you keep your ethics intact while your brains are leaking out your ears.

Given the choice between personal ethics and dead Iraqis...

Hmm, can you explain to me again how making Iraqi prisoners pretent to play with each other's pee-pees is "all about survival"?

We are killing our enemies BECAUSE they are mass murderers and rapists and so forth. That's why they are our enemies, and not our drinking buddies. World War II was pretty total as far as wars go, but we didn't feel the need to put all the ethnic Germans we could find under poison gas just because they did the same thing to their enemies, and we managed to come out on top just fine.

 

[JPL]

"Who would have expected something this barbaric though?"

I think I can answer that...

Just about anyone who has ever spent any amount of time dealing with Muslims, a.k.a Israel.

 

[HBK]

Someone please remind me why nuclear weapons are bad. When I read stuff like this, it makes me want to just kill them all.

 

[Fastlane]

I normally don't agree with some of the poster here about the war with Iraq. The torture of the Iraqi prisoners "if you can call it that" was wrong. But if we are going to fight this war than we need to take off the gloves and show them what war is about. You can not win the Iraqi people over with out an extreme show of force.

 

[kbr80]

I am having a hard time trusting and having faith in any muslim. That being said, i do not hate any group of people. I think we should be in Hunt and Kill mode over there, not this PC dont want to hurt their feelings mode like we are. If the iraqi people are not outraged, or any muslim for that matter, i say f them. Its time to start ......sh*t hammering.

 

[Sindawe]

Staying "Frosty"

I just caught this on Fox a few moments ago. Things I'd like to say don't fly here on THR.

-- deep breath and return to center --

This will not be over until the back of Islam, ALL Islam and not just the fanatics, is broken beyond all hope of resurection. This will not be over until the followers of Mohammed are as relevant and in influencial as the followers of Zeus and Baal are today.

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls."

I guess they want to turn this into a holy war. Fine. Blood and souls it shall be.

Blood and souls! BLOOD AND SOULS FOR FATHER ODIN!!!

 

[Indy7373]

Eye for an eye. Tooth for a tooth.

 

[Sean Smith]

This will not be over until the back of Islam, ALL Islam and not just the fanatics, is broken beyond all hope of resurection. This will not be over until the followers of Mohammed are as relevant and in influencial as the followers of Zeus and Baal are today.

Does that include the administrator of this site?

 

[CannibalCrowley]

It seems like most people want a knee jerk reaction consisting mainly of revenge killings on those who may have done this. In the abuse situation it's fairly obvious who is responsible (because they were too stupid/arrogant to cover their faces), but in the execution video the men were masked. Even a long investigation may not provide enough proof to declare anyone as a guilty party.

Others have advocated mass killings against any group which appears to have associated with the killers. Such an action would only make things worse. The retaliation would be used as a tool to gain more people to fight against us.

Sean Smith

Isn't it kind of strange that OUR horrible scandal is some MPs treating Iraqi prisoners to the kind of abuse fraternity pledges used to get (complete with fake-"gay" behavior),

Do you have a list of these frats? I'd really like to avoid ones that view rape and such as normal. Many people will change their minds if the rest of the pictures are released.

 

[JPL]

"Hmm, can you explain to me again how making Iraqi prisoners pretent to play with each other's pee-pees is "all about survival"?

Psychological warfare is a recognized and valid means of pursuing a military end.

 

[Ryan1021]

This pisses me off to no end!!

 

[morganm01]

So we are shown pictures of abuse in Iraq all day long......except for when it happens to Americans. As sick as it is, that entire video needs to be shown.

Demand that the news be fair and BALANCED.

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