Video Appears to Show Beheading of American

[OF]

Nothing more can be accomplished under our current course.

I disagree. We're not there to free the Iraqi's and eliminate the pissant dictator Hussein, at least I hope we're not. Bush went to Iraq to crush the Islamists. Bush and his team understand that the only way we will win the 'War on Terror', which is the PC 'CNN' name for the war on radical islam, is by 'draining the swamp'. To do that we need to have airbases and troops right on their doorstep. And Iraq is that place. Iraq is the prize. With Iraq pacified and American airbases there, nobody in the middle east so much as scratches their ass without our say-so.

If we can turn Iraq into an even remotely-functional semi-free literate modern society in the process, we have a chance.

Here's the deal: the islamists are at war with us, the infidel. We will not be destroyed. It is not going to happen. So the islamists will lose, one way or another. If we can't change the middle east into something that the rest of the world can ignore or live with, we will be forced to destroy them utterly. Bush has chosen to try and change the middle east, not using the failed appeasement go-nowhere policies of the last, what, 30 years? But a new policy. He knows it's war, he knows we cannot lose. He has given the middle east a choice: change or die. That festering fetid swamp over there has grown too big for this world and we can't let it grow any more. Decades of effort to stem the growth has failed (maybe because it was ill-handled, maybe it was just doomed to failure), so Bush has taken it upon himself to get the ball rolling. The only way out is through.

It was never about Iraq for Iraq's sake. But you can't sell this to the American Bahba Wahwah-watching CNN-idolizing public, they don't get it. But we couldn't wait any longer for the polls to come around. Maybe another 2 or 3 9/11's and you could get up and tell TV-land that we need to take the opportunity, provided to us by Hussein's actions (violating his terms of surrender was plenty of excuse for me), to take Iraq and setup bases there to secure the defeat of the islamists. When 9-11 came around, it was an opportunity. An excuse to get in there and start the process. This war has been coming for a long long time. It's only just begun. Iraq is the war on terror. It has nothing to do with Hussein or his WMD's, except tangentially. You think beheading this guy is bad? They cut peoples heads off over there for fun. Get used to it.

- Gabe

 

[Leatherneck]

You got it Gabe. Exactly.

Here we are tearing ourself apart over embarassing a few prisoners in a terribly juvenile and unseemly manner, with people going to Courts Martial and more to follow, possibly up to the Flag level. Because CBS wet their panties until they could show pics of misguided youths taking advantage of their captives under orders from authority.

So they videograph a brutal execution of an American hostage.

Equivalent?

This may well let loose the dogs of war, and i'm so pissed right now I wouldn't hold them back.

TC
TFL Survivor

 

[escopeta]

Sad.

Torture supporting and excusing genocidal maniacs, the new breed of Republican gunowner.

I ahamed that you sick *c*k* soil the party and our community. And the country.

 

[CannibalCrowley]

Sindawe

This will not be over until the followers of Mohammed are as relevant and in influencial as the followers of Zeus and Baal are today.

Actually, the followers of Zeus and Baal remain very influential even to this day. For one, the phrase Molon Labe is regarded as almost holy by many. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't many ancient Greeks follow a religion which incorporated Zeus? The Greeks were also involved in a little thing called the Olympics.

I'll admit that I don't know much about Baal, but I recall him being recognized by some ancient Jews. Aren't modern Jews pretty influential?

 

[Antlurz]

ID_shooting...

If they ban you for what you said, they might as well take me out now too because if you hadn't said it, I would have.

GRD..

Who would have expected something this barbaric though?

Anyone who has any concept of the Arab mind would expect it. It is the very basis of their foundation and violence is the only thing they respect. Hatered is so ingrained in their culture they know no alternatives. Hatred, violence, bravado, and deception is their gameplan.

"The sands will run red with your blood. You have brought the Mother of all Battles upon yourselves"

The kissyfaces can deny it all they want. The fact is, they have followed the way of violence from the beginning.

Ron

 

[HBK]

escopeta, you're the one that's sad. Maybe we should just give them all a hug in retaliation.

 

[Sean Smith]

Psychological warfare is a recognized and valid means of pursuing a military end.

Sure, and your post indicates that you are completely ignorant of what psychological warfare actually is. What went on in that prison didn't have any tactical, strategic, or intelligence value. It was idiotic from an interrogation point of view and of no practical use.

Do you have a list of these frats? I'd really like to avoid ones that view rape and such as normal. Many people will change their minds if the rest of the pictures are released.

Last I checked, there wasn't any evidence of actual rape of prisoners, just SIMULATED homosexual acts, making fun of their pee-pees, and so forth.

At least until recently, fraternities were pretty well known for doing some pretty disgusting things, though they (usually) fell under the category of "no PERMENANT damage." Heck, some folks still get *branded* by their frats.

 

[idd]

Al Qaeda tortures and kills captured enemies.
The US gov tortures and kills captured enemies.

When you become like the enemy, you become the enemy.

 

[Thumper]

Psychological warfare is a recognized and valid means of pursuing a military end.

The Army (and more specifically, my Drill Sergeant) were very emphatic in conveying the idea that any sexual mistreatment of EPWs was unacceptable.

That being said, the beheading business needs to be addressed in blood.

 

[fix]

Here we go again defining the battle along religious lines. This is a war of cultures. Ours is the most righteous, but theirs is the most ruthless. They have shown no signs of becoming righteous, while we as a society are not willing to become ruthless. We seem to find ourselves in quite the moral predicament, so we resort to attacking one another. Great strategy.

How do we become "ruthless enough" to win this fight without turning into them? Do we even have the stomach for it? I do. But from where I sit, I seem to be in the minority. So you folks continue your religious debates. Osama sends his regards.

 

[CannibalCrowley]

GRD

We're not there to free the Iraqi's and eliminate the pissant dictator Hussein, at least I hope we're not. Bush went to Iraq to crush the Islamists.

If that's true then I guess I'll be voting for Kerry because Bush flat out lied to the country. He never mentioned wanting to go to Iraq in order to wage a religious war. If he is willing to wage a war in order to eliminate Islam overseas, how long before he wishes to eliminate it in the United States?

 

[OF]

Who said it was a religious war? We're not at war with all muslims...clue in. 'Islamist' is a term that refers to our enemy: a radical, militant psychotic muslim who views the US and you and me as the 'infidel' and believes in the god-demanded truth of our death and destruction so strongly that he will send his children to blow themselves to bits just to kill a single American.

That is the enemy. Man. We can't even agree on who the freaking enemy is.

- Gabe

 

[RealGun]

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Who would have expected something this barbaric though?
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My statement may seem dumb on the surface, but just consider how many are shocked and expressing outrage here. Were they prepared? Can they handle it? Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised, but beheadings on film are not precedented, are they?

 

[Antlurz]

idd...

Al Qaeda tortures and kills captured enemies.
The US gov tortures and kills captured enemies.

Got any good backup reference?

Ron

 

[Thumper]

Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised, but beheadings on film are not precedented, are they?

Did you sleep through the Pearl beheading?

BTW, that happened before the pics of the mistreatment of prisoners.

 

[Antlurz]

CannibalCrowley.....

You might be interested to know that Islam and Islamists are highly different things.

Ron

 

[OF]

Beheadings on film are traded like baseball cards among children brought up in islamist society. I've read newsgroup posts of kids talking about traded beheading videos like they were judging a video game. "Lots of blood on that one! Gushed right out of him!" Arguing about whether Jews were really pigs or dogs. Like I said, if this is shocking to you, you need to pay closer attention. It isn't pretty over there. America is so far removed from the level of barbarity that passes for 'normal' in that part of the world we might as well not be on the same planet.

Those guys dragged through the streets in Fallujah? Mogadishu? Children danced and smiled.

- Gabe

 

[Cosmoline]

Incidents like these remind me of the line from Aliens:

"I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit. That's the only way to be sure."

 

[Marinesg1012]

It isn't pretty over there. America is so far removed from the level of barbarity that passes for 'normal' in that part of the world we might as well not be on the same planet.

Those guys dragged through the streets in Fallujah? Mogadishu? Children danced and smiled.

Yup and the mogadishu one we pulled out and in faluja, we went in killed a bunch of them and than pulled out and let them have it back
It doesn't seem that we like to go to war. We want instantaniouse results. This is war, people die and we die also it also takes time, but we can't let that slow us down. We need to kill the people that did this. They need to know if anyone strikes out at any American they will loose thier life, along with thier buddies lives and who ever happens to be standing next to them at the moment. I am not saying clear out whole cities and kill everyone I am saying to kill anyone that wishes harm on us.

After we kill all of those people we can start to figure out how the Iraqi's are going to govern themselves.

 

[OF]

PS: When Nick's father, Michael, says "That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. " you can be damn sure that he understands what kind of people his son was dealing with. He knows that the 4 or 5 seconds it took these animals to saw through his sons neck is nothing compared to what happens to many who fall into the hands of these barbarians.

 

[Waitone]

America! Behold your enemy. Never, ever forget.

I fear we have not mastered the latest battlefield. . . . . .the media. What the US is doing now to our efforts is similar to friendly fire. Interest is in destroying something.

What you whippersnappers out there are experiencing is the Watergate circle jerk. Its taken 30 years but the media is at it again. They smell blood and sense the chance to pull down a president. Meanwhile we've completely forgotten why we are there and we've forgotten about our troops.

Makes my heart hurt.

 

[idd]

Pentagon Approved Tougher Interrogations

"Two Afghans died in U.S. custody in Afghanistan in December 2002. Both deaths were classified as homicides by the U.S. military. Another Afghan died in June 2003, at a detention site near Asadabad, in Kunar province."

 

[OF]

After we kill all of those people we can start to figure out how the Iraqi's are going to govern themselves.

And that, I hope, is the plan: phase 1 and phase 2 in a nutshell. Here's hoping we have the balls to stick to it.

- Gabe

 

[Third_Rail]

CNN is spinning this video along with another to say that it's America's fault. They ran part of this movie and then re-ran a video of American soldiers killing an Iraqi (wounded on the ground). CNN said that they shouldn't have, etc, patched together audio and video from one of the soldiers and made it look like he was a sick sadistic killer.

Who was it that first called them the Communist News Network?

 

[pinetree64]

Our officials promise to bring the perps to justice, yea right... I've heard that one before. Stop with the win their hearts and minds crap and kick some ass.

This will probably last a day or two in the mainstream news with little to no follow-up. At least they didn't make him wear woman's underware, that'd down right humilating.

tjg