Video Appears to Show Beheading of American

[ReadyontheRight]

Torture supporting and excusing genocidal maniacs, the new breed of Republican gunowner.

What the idiot prison guards did to the Iraqi prisoners (who had been shooting at US soldiers before becoming prisoners btw) was stupid and childish. It was not torture. It was wrong and should be punished. Isn't it being punished? What the heck do you want?

How does that in any way compare to slicing off the head -- on camera -- of someone who comes to your country to help re-build it?

 

[Sean Smith]

Probably not

OK, I'll bite, what are your credentials in the field of intelligence interrogations or psychological warfare? Because here are mine...

http://www.imagemagician.org/images/igc_76543/dd214.jpg

 

[rick_reno]

This is bad. Real bad. I hope we, our military, will take the gloves off now.

Herr Shrub and the Dr. Strangelove clones are in serious CYA mode now over the prision "torture" episode and won't do anything about this horrible event. Don't forget, Job 1 for Shrub is the electon - everything else is somewhere down the list, and the soccer Mom reaction to those prison photo's hasn't been positive.

 

[Thumper]

OK, I'll bite, what are your credentials in the field of intelligence interrogations or psychological warfare? Because here are mine...

I agree with Sean. Here's mine (in the background.):

*edit* Image was taking away from the thread...hit the link instead.

 

[RealGun]

Did you sleep through the Pearl beheading?

No, but I might have forgotten. Pretty hard ball thread.

BTW, that happened before the pics of the mistreatment of prisoners.

I hadn't picked up on that. I'll read closer, but I have no need to see pictures.

 

[Aguila Blanca]

You really think that these animals needed any sort of excuse?

Probably not.

But it's hard to avoid the fact that we gave them one anyway, and they used it.

 

[Michigander]

I'm wondering where the folks are that are saying that there's no connection between al qaeda and Iraq.

Here I am.

Of course there is a connection now. We have created the quagmire that has allowed AQ and many other terrorists organizations to set up camp in Iraq.

We have been over this many times. Even the Bush administration has dropped the whole "Saddam had ties to AQ" argument.

Come to think of it, I haven't heard much about WMD's from the Bush admin. lately either.

 

[Bog]

Some of you have noticed my thread mentioning confusion over how I may vote this year.

I'm voting for whoever sounds most like they'll stamp out this kind of hideous, blatant contempt for the value of human life.

'Nuff sed.

 

[Boats]

Longwinded and savage beheading video

No quarter expected--none to be given.

 

[Thumper]

Of course there is a connection now. We have created the quagmire that has allowed AQ and many other terrorists organizations to set up camp in Iraq.

K, that was about what I was looking for...

Regardless of how we got here, do you support ongoing operations in Iraq now?

 

[fix]

Of course there is a connection now.

So do you support the war now?

 

[Aguila Blanca]

Got any good backup reference?

Errrr... have you read the full text of General Taguba's report?

 

[beltslide]

Disgusting murder of US citizen

The ba****ds who killed Mr Berg in Iraq tried to excuse their actions by using the incident of US mistreatment as an excuse. There is no excuse - - they are murdering scum who need to be put down like rabid dogs!

Personally I believe the kid gloves should come off in this conflict; we will only win this war by hitting them back HARD! Some will disagree with me, and that is their right.

I consider myself pretty easy going, but I cannot describe the bitter hatred I feel towards these religious fanatics! I know it's not all of them, but these days the following seems true:-

Muslim = murder of innocents and wholesale slaughter!

I'm sorry, but it's just the way I feel!

 

[pax]

Muslim = murder of innocents and wholesale slaughter!

Beltslide,

Would that include the man whose server you just posted that on?

pax

 

[ThreadKiller]

I'll state right up front I'm not a military strategist. Six years as a Navy ET doesn't qualify me for much, but still it seems to me anyway that "allowing AQ to set up camp" in Iraq is a good thing. Perhaps part of a larger overall strategy? How about giving the AQ types a closer target than US cities? Doesn't that make sense? Part of the gambit though is maintaining public resolve to see it through.

We know our military is more than able. The question is, are we?

Tim

 

[Antlurz]

It is well past time to eliminate with extreme...read VERY extreme... prejudice, this Zarkawi or Zarcoward or whomever he is.

EXTREME prejudice.

This dirtbag needs to take a dirt nap... in the worst way.

Ron

 

[pax]

Incidentally, someone asked what I meant by telling folks to 'stay frosty.'

I meant that cold, calculated anger is a heckuva lot more productive than red-hot, shaky hands, running six directions at once anger. (And it generally results in posts that belong on THR, as opposed to ones that don't.)

pax

 

[Antlurz]

That's what I assumed you meant. Actually a good choice of phrase.

Ron

 

[Michigander]

Regardless of how we got here, do you support ongoing operations in Iraq now?

If our Congress and CIC are going to do it, then do it and do it right. All the dilly-dallying pisses me off. Cannot blast a mosque? How stupid! War is war! I might understand if it was Mecca or such, but how many mosques are in Iraq?

Note to Islamic countries which the US Government may invade and occupy some day: Make every building a mosque!

If it were up to me however, I'd get our troops out of there pronto!

Just to clarify: I did not support invading Iraq and I do not support the ongoing occupying.

 

[fix]

Just to clarify: I did not support invading Iraq and I do not support the ongoing occupying.

So it wouldn't have mattered whether Al Quaeda was in Iraq to begin with. You don't support the war now that there is no doubt.

At least we know where you stand...I think.

 

[Bog]

Mmm. Just from a practical point of view, the two options do seem to be "Pull out" or "Pour it on".

Even if the body of troops in Iraq were at the specified country-holding level of 300,000+, then it seems really stupid to send troops into a defended building when there's a couple of Abrams and Challenger IIs just idling 'round the corner, not to mention a few gunships just burning fuel overhead. Trying to "respect the sensibilities" of a belief-system that holds no value on human life is self-defeating.

I'm inclined to say "pour it on". The more background reading I do on this subject, the less evitable this conflict appears to be.

As horrible and stupid as war is, I'm really starting to beleive that this war has been forced upon us by those who think we are, by our very existence, evil.

My hopes and thoughts are with our people over there in Iraq.

 

[vi9er]

I just watched the video, Boats, and I hope and pray that every one of those sick ????s is murdered in a such a painful fashion that it will require the most devious minds that humanity has to offer to employ it.

May they rot in hell,
Edward G. Harper

 

[Michigander]

So it wouldn't have mattered whether Al Quaeda was in Iraq to begin with. You don't support the war now that there is no doubt.

If AQ was in Iraq the way they were in Afghanistan, then I would have supported an invasion, just as I supported our invasion of Afghanistan. I have yet to see any substantial evidence of a connection between Saddam and his regeim and AQ (or WMD's). I have seen very substantial evidence of AQ in Afghanistan however.

Assuming AQ has set-up camp in Iraq, then maybe we have to stay there now, or at least remotely bomb the heck out of them over an over again.

It just doesn't make sense to invade a country because of WMD's (none) and a connection to AQ (none) and then create a situation where AQ has a new home.

 

[longrifleman]

Considering the subject good job staying on The High Road. Let's keep it that way.

I have no insights to add that haven't been covered on the obvious topic but one thing that may come out of this is to force the media to back off the coverage of the prison abuse. This very likely will backfire on the Islamists in the long run. The support for the war was slipping but the execution of an innocent like this will renew support, at least for a while.

There are a few questions that I have after reading FIVE PAGES of posts.

How do you separate culture from religion?

How do you justify the killing of innocents?

This point has been made before but needs to be repeated. Two wrongs never make a right. No matter what atrocities are committed against us we do not have the moral right retaliate in kind. Find the guy that held the knife and I'll tie the hangman's knot myself. Carpet bombing cities because you think some bad guys might be there is unacceptable.

 

[idd]

Our side kills people by flying over to drop bombs on them, or standing off at a distance and sending in missiles.
Their side likes to get up close and personal with live steel.

Torture, murder, mutilation. Their side does it, our side does it.

In either event, the victims end up as worm food at the hands of people who firmly hold on to rationalizations that since the other side is the Enemy, all bets are off.