herrwalther
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The PPQ (M1 and M2) are better than Glock triggers but still no candle to the P99AS trigger. I have said many times, even on this forum, if I could only have one handgun it would be my P99.
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DAdams
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I have a P99AS in 40. 21oz. Quite a rod.
I've tried the PPQ and P99AS in a gun store....I liked the PPQ better.
I like the SR9C trigger better than the P99AS I tried.
JHansenAK47
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"In June of 2012, Arnsberg, Germany based PW Group, owners of shooting sports companies, CARL WALTHER Sportwaffen and UMAREX Sportwaffen, announced the formation of Walther Arms, Inc. to handle all the importation, sales, marketing, distribution, and servicing of Walther products in the United States early in 2012. The transition will occur in two phases beginning in 2013. Previously, Smith & Wesson held responsibility for the distribution of Walther firearms and accessories in the United States. On January 1, 2013, that responsibility will transfer to the newly formed Walther Arms, Inc."
http://www.waltherarms.com/about-walther/
Considering that they just recently changed their distribution and servicing over to a newly formed company a bit of chaos would be expected before they iron out all the kinks.
mr.trooper
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Stop trying to be rational! There is no reason in firearms!
Some people will never appreciate anything other than BANG. Those people can go buy Glocks and leave the good stuff for me.
Some people will never appreciate anything other than BANG. Those people can go buy Glocks and leave the good stuff for me.
Chuck R.
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and/or it could just be that not many of us have ever had to use Walther CS?
Chuck
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Never heard of anyone I know having an issue with a Walther, nor do I see much griping on the web.. I seriously wonder just how many "issues" actually exist.
JHansenAK47
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I was changing my rear sight on my Walther PPQ and my rear sight plunger and plunger screw went flying into the bushs at the range. S&W sent me a new plunger and plunger spring no questions asked for free.
My PPS and both the PPQs I bought have had zero issues and have impressed me so much that if I find a 9mm P99AS or 40S&W PPQM1 at a good price they will be coming home with me. The only thing I don't like is the rear sight setup on the P99/PPQ but operator error aside the PPQ is still my favorite pistol.
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I'm an active member on the Walther forum, where almost everyone there, owns a Walther. Anyone can go there and see for themselves if owners of Walther pistols hold their tongue about speaking badly of Walther.
Almost everyone on the PPQ section went to a PPQ from any manufacturer on the list of Walther's competitors. A large number members on that forum are current or ex H&K, Sig, Glock, and/or S&W owners. Most of these people have nothing but praise for the PPQ, P99, and PPS pistols.
The most common arguments I hear about Walther's polymer pistols, are mag prices and mag availability. Which German pistols have cheap mags? It comes with the territory. Have you priced the mags for H&K's line up? The prices of mags are high, but you can buy Magnum Research mags (made by Mec-Gar) for around $30. A good alternative for the paddle mag release equipped P99 and PPQ pistols.
Mag availability is low at the moment, but they aren't impossible to find, and even mags for the S&W M&P were hard to get for months due to the panic buying spree that effected practically everything firearm related. To expect Walther, a German company, who just opened their own distribution, service, and importation center here, in a different country, this year, in the height of the PPQ's popularity, during one of the largest panic buying sprees I've ever seen, to have all items in stock and everything worked out from day one, seems like an unreasonable expectation.
There are fanboys out there for any firearm, but the guys on the Walther forum seem pretty open minded to me. The reason they are there is because they found the firearm that worked best for them, then they joined the forum. Of course they like them. Who would join a forum for a product they didn't like? The fact that very few people state issue-related comments about Walther pistols speaks highly of them, IMO.
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I am a member of the walther forum. I have openly ripped the Walther rep that steps in the forum for Walther's bad communication for upcoming products/taking the PPQ M1 away. Guess what? I am still a member.
I did the same for the Kel Tec forum. No longer a member.
I did the same for the Kel Tec forum. No longer a member.
are those forums run by fans of the products or the actual companies?
Chuck R.
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Dude seriously……what systemic issues are there with the PPQ, or even Walther CS? You make it sound like there’s some vast conspiracy to cover up issues. I currently own 16 pistols as I stated earlier, of those 16, I have 9 different manufacturers, don’t own stock in any gun company, don’t even own a piece of brand clothing, my ego isn’t tied up in a piece of equipment, something doesn’t work, it’s gone.
People, me included have mentioned features they don’t like:
Muzzle flip
Gigantic slide release
Cost of magazines
Larger than G19
This thread has been up for 2 days (so far), has 36 replies as of now, and 588 views. So far the only complaint about CS has been yours. Are there others, no doubt, but to basically try to dismiss everyone else opinion due to your experience with Walther’s CS is a little too much, don’t you think?
What happened, some guy with a Walther logo shirt kick sand on you at the beach or what? Because no one else is jumping on your "CS sucks, so don't buy it" bandwagon, you're feeling left out?
It looks like you're a minority, time to get over it.
HOOfan_1,
It's a fan/owner site.
Chuck
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I don't know who owns the forum, but I doubt it is Walther. Nobody there seems too compelled to defend the company. People speak highly about their pistols there, but nobody seems to have much praise for the company itself.
I have the P99As in 9mm and .40, and a PPQM1 in 9mm.
The P99AS in .40 is a bit more "flippy" than I care for.
Both the P99AS and PPQM1 in 9mm are more "flippy" than all-metal guns I've fired, but comparable to other polymers, and it doesn't bother me one bit at all.
It's just about a coin toss which I like better: PPQ or P99. The P99 probably gets the "edge" for its second-strike capability. Both will remain in my inventory until they break and spare parts can't be found anymore. They are my "go to" handguns for home/self defense. I would have no problem carrying them concealed if I were to do so.
The P99AS in .40 is a bit more "flippy" than I care for.
Both the P99AS and PPQM1 in 9mm are more "flippy" than all-metal guns I've fired, but comparable to other polymers, and it doesn't bother me one bit at all.
It's just about a coin toss which I like better: PPQ or P99. The P99 probably gets the "edge" for its second-strike capability. Both will remain in my inventory until they break and spare parts can't be found anymore. They are my "go to" handguns for home/self defense. I would have no problem carrying them concealed if I were to do so.
RBid
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I've had 4 direct interactions with Walther from a dealer perspective, relating to such things as a take down tool missing from a PK380 box. All four were resolved immediately. I know one person who contacted them when the inner arm of the slide stop on a PPQ broke, and they resolved it quickly and positively.
No issues with their CS, here.
No issues with their CS, here.
herrwalther
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One of the biggest things I have done to reduce the "flippiness" of my .40 P99 is to shoot 165gr rounds instead of the much more common 180gr rounds. Sure you will probably spend more and they are harder to find, but you will enjoy the change.
RBid
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You switched to higher velocity rounds to reduce flip?
Probably like most firearm forums then, which are ran by people who are not affiliated with the actual companies who produce the products.
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RBid said:
Correct. When shooting rounds less than 180gr the firearm did not recoil as hard or high. I was able to confirm this by mix loading 2 different brands of 180 and 2 different brands of 165 in my 12 round magazine. I had my brother video tape the range session. The 165gr rounds did not cause the muzzle to rise as much as the 180s.
RBid
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This has been the opposite of my experience with Glocks in .40. Specifically, Glock 23 Gen 3 and Glock 23 Gen 4. The lowest muzzle rise combination has been Gen 4 with 180gr. I suppose there is a logical explanation. I know just enough about internal and external ballistics to know that I don't know it all.
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I purchased a PPQ M2 new I really loved the grip. I put the small back strap on as I have small hands for me it fit perfect. It shot amazingly accurate as others have said. Mine was very reliable for most autos I do malfunction tests by having whom ever is at the range with me sneak some empty brass in my mags. Works great normally you get FTF and have to manipulate the slide. With my PPQ it feed the empty's 100% so all I got to work on was clearing a fail to fire which is still good practice.
There's the good now for complaints. My biggest issue with the ppq and the reason it was traded off finding accessories was a huge pain. I tried every rail adapter the TLR-1 light comes with and do to the longer then normal trigger gaurd could not get it to fit properly. Also holsters were a big problem as nothing I tried fit quite rite and I couldn't find one I liked on the market. Closest thing I found was when going through every leather holster at my LGS the one I was wearing for my G20 fit though loosely. So I traded it off after accessories being such a problem. Spare mags at the time were hens teeth. I still have my W. German sig and my G19 if I need capacity in a handgun.
I really did love it as a range toy an as a carry gun but just couldn't find things I wanted for it to use it for everything I wanted
I purchased a PPQ M2 new I really loved the grip. I put the small back strap on as I have small hands for me it fit perfect. It shot amazingly accurate as others have said. Mine was very reliable for most autos I do malfunction tests by having whom ever is at the range with me sneak some empty brass in my mags. Works great normally you get FTF and have to manipulate the slide. With my PPQ it feed the empty's 100% so all I got to work on was clearing a fail to fire which is still good practice.
There's the good now for complaints. My biggest issue with the ppq and the reason it was traded off finding accessories was a huge pain. I tried every rail adapter the TLR-1 light comes with and do to the longer then normal trigger gaurd could not get it to fit properly. Also holsters were a big problem as nothing I tried fit quite rite and I couldn't find one I liked on the market. Closest thing I found was when going through every leather holster at my LGS the one I was wearing for my G20 fit though loosely. So I traded it off after accessories being such a problem. Spare mags at the time were hens teeth. I still have my W. German sig and my G19 if I need capacity in a handgun.
I really did love it as a range toy an as a carry gun but just couldn't find things I wanted for it to use it for everything I wanted
Have thousands of rounds through my PPQ M1. Superb trigger, great ergo's, and laser accurate. It has the best out of the box trigger of any polymer gun I've ever shot. Can't say enough good things about it. I like the M1 style paddle mag release by the way. Got used to it om my HK's. Very fast and natural once you get the hang of it.
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RBid said:
Discovered purely by accident really. Back when I first started shooting, .40 was my first cartridge. Back then I did not pay attention to grain weights of rounds I bought off the shelf at stores, only the number of rounds and price. I picked up 165gr without even noticing and when I discovered it kicked less, I setup that experiment I mentioned earlier. Now I get 165 whenever I can but I don't shun the 180gr.
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