Walther PPS-M2 9mm, initial break-in evaluation.

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I took my previously unfired Walther PPS-M2 out to the range for some ammo and accuracy testing.
It was snowing and about 28 degrees. I field stripped the pistol just to inspect it and see how it worked. It disassembles just like a Glock. The trigger was a wee bit gritty from the box, so I put a tiny drop of Tetra gun oil on the trigger bar where it rubs along the lower receiver ( grip frame). Plus a q-tip of Tetra was rubbed into the slide grooves and grip rails. I dry fired it and ran the slide about 100 times and the trigger pull smoothed out and runs at about 5.5 pounds. The trigger re-set is crisp and short. Much shorter than my Glock 19 Gen 4.
Since this is an M2 variant, the magazine release is a regular push button affair and not the weird trigger guard gizmo from the first version. The mags drop free with ease. Something I have often wondered about with a smaller CCW type pistol. At times I think the old heel clip release of the early European style would be OK for little pocket guns.

The gun is labeled as an LE model ( marketing BS) and has night sights of a sort. They ARE NOT Tritium sights. They are only glow in the dark paint dots of some sort.

The pistol came with three magazines. Two 8 round mags that act as a grip-frame extension and a shorter magazine of 6 or 7 rounds. I can only get 6 in there. The magazines were VERY tight & stiff for the first few loadings.

I fired about 150 rounds of Mexican made Magtech 115 grain FMJs just to see if everything worked ok. There were ZERO malfunctions. I did not clean the gun, but then went on to see how different ammo grouped from the short barreled 9mm. I fired three 8-shot groups of each type of ammo at 25 yards while leaning over a table. There were NO malfunctions. I have big hands and found that I can hold this little pistol the best when my strong hand's thumb is resting on the slide catch. So, I intentionally was not letting the slide lock back. Later I fired a few magazines with a different grip and the slide locked back on the empty mags every time. The trigger guard is huge and made wearing light gloves no problem.


WALTHER PPS-M2 Initial break-in shots for groups.
Light Snow, 28 degrees F
Range 25 yards, leaning over table.

Hydra-Shok 147 grain Hollow Points............................= 1.25 inch group

Hornady Custom 124 grain XTP hollow Point..............= 1.50 inch group

Blazer Brass 115 grain FMJ...........................................= 1.50 inch group

Hornady custom 115 grain XTP hollow point...............= 1.50 inch group

American Eagle 147 grain FMJ.....................................= 1.75 inch group

American Eagle 124 grain FMJ.....................................= 2.50 inch group

Sig Sauer 115grain V-Crown Hollow Point...................= 3.00 inch group

Hornady Critical Defense 115gr Capped Hollow Point = 3.00 inch group

Magtech ( Mexican made) 115 grain FMJ.....................= 5.00 inch group


I did not chronograph these loads in this pistol because of the snow fall and the fact that I was getting cold. I had been outside all day long and this was at 1600 hours.

One thing I noted was that the different brands of ammo consistently printed in different locations compared to the point-of-aim. The 147 grain Hydra Shoks and 124 grain XTP loads were about 2 inch left at 9 O'clock. The 115 grain XTPs were 1 inch at 9 O'clock, the 115 grains Blazer Brass FMJs were one inch low at 6 O'clock , while the 147 grain flat nose fmjs ( American Eagle) were 3 inches low at 7 O'clock. And the 115 grain Critical defense stuff, which my wife's KAHR CM9 just loves shoots a big group 4 inches high, the 115grain Mexican made MagTech stuff was about 5 inches left at 9 Oclock and made a huge group.

All in all, the little Walther did just fine at 25 yards and that is a distance for which it was not really designed. It points naturally, unlike my Glock 19 and the trigger pull is fine for this sort of firearm.

The only negative I can see is that the grip width is pretty wide for a single stack magazine. That makes it better for my big hands, bit it does not seen as thin as it could be in the grip area.

Now I have to find a good holster.....
 

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For awhile I was doing OK with the 124 grain Hornady Custom with XTP slugs.... At least for an old guy who is far sighted. But once I saw that I was making a long ripe, I started to pull the shots elsewhere.
 

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I replaced my S+W shield AND my SA xds with this walther pps and I have not looked back.

I love the walther products and this is a great carry piece (JMHO)
 
'The only negative I can see is that the grip width is pretty wide for a single stack magazine. That makes it better for my big hands, bit it does not seem as thin as it could be in the grip area.'

Could be a deliberate design feature! Personally, I like a pistol with a wide backstrap. There's less of a tendency for the pistol to twist in my older hand(s) while firing; but, then again, I carry the 'king' of all pistols with a wide backstrap — A humongous Glock Model 21!
 
Yes the M2 style grip frame is obviously made for good shooting and not as much for concealment like the original PPS. But I fired 250 rounds with cold hands and it was not the least bit annoying, like many of the smaller pistols can become.
 
I had the PPS M2 for a hot minute about a year ago and parted company with it. I have since replaced it with an original PPS and I must say, I far prefer the original PPS to the M2. In any event, good shooting. Enjoy the new piece!
 
The original seems flatter in the grip area. At least to me. It is just a wee bit larger than my Kahr CW9. The trigger is WAY
better than the CM9 2012-12-31 011 (983x1280).jpg
 
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Are you sure that's not a Kahr CW9 instead of a CM9? I have a CM9 and it's a lot shorter in the grip than the one you have in your photos.

 
Yes it is a CW9. I used to have a CM, But not for years. And believe it or not I thought I was typing CW,,,,, I even did it on the darn photo....... What the heck....????

Too much going on around the house. Keep getting yelled at every time I try to go on the computer...

The anti-fun police want me to finish painting the bathroom, put up a new wall covering in the guest cabin, and replace the ceiling and light fixtures in the dinning room.
And there was something else I was just told but already forgot... something about shelves... I dunno....
 
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Too much going on around the house. Keep getting yelled at every time I try to go on the computer...

The anti-fun police want me to finish painting the bathroom, put up a new wall covering in the guest cabin, and replace the ceiling and light fixtures in the dinning room.
And there was something else I was just told but already forgot... something about shelves... I dunno....

Sounds like you have an endless "honey do" list! I know the feeling all too well! Now I know why you went to the range when it was only 28* out and snowing; it was probably the only "free" time you had.

Don't let the "anti-fun police" (at least it's not the "anti-gun police"), from taking all your range time away. Hope you can "stick to your guns" and continue to enjoy your Walther PPS-M2, that is whenever you get the chance.
 
I go to the range even if I am out of ammo...
In a few weeks the lakes will melt ( HOPEFULLY, SINCE IT IS SNOWING AGAIN) and I will have to put my plane back in the water for the summer flying season. Business often puts a cramp in my range time. 2010-12-31 022 (1280x960).jpg
 
OK, I went out again today to see how the dirty PPS would do with a couple other brands of factory ammo. It was raining and sleeting, temps claimed it was 34 degrees. 25 yards leaning over the table with my elbows.

Hornady 135 grain Critical Duty; = 1.25 inch group

Hornady Custom 147 grain XTP = 2.00 inch group. Point of Aim.

Hornady Custom 124 grain XTP (New stock) = 2.50 inch group

Federal 147gr Hydra Shok new Stock, = 3.00 inch group

PMC 115gr FMJ = 5.00 inch group

They supply three magazines with the gun, ALL IN DIFFERENT CAPACITIES. An 8 round, 7 round and six round. It allows you to change how long the grip might be, but it is annoying as a shooter. My buddy had his Remington R-51 at the range so I took some side by side photos. 135gr Critical Duty from PPSM2.jpg
 
Float Pilot

Yeah that rather bulbous piece of plastic on the end of the mags and the different mag capacities would be somewhat annoying to me too.
 
After yesterday I am over 500 rounds without any cleaning. A lot of it being crappy ammo. No malfunctions of any kind.
While it is tempting to keep going.... I cannot stand the thought of a dirty pistol under my roof. So I will scrub her up today. Still waiting for my holster to arrive.

It would also be nice to have a sight pusher tool that would fit this frame size. Punch whacking leaves something to be desired. I wonder if the universal sight pusher that Brownells sells is any good???
 
I've had my PPS-M2 for about a year now and I have well over 2K rounds through it so far. This gun is one of the most versatile semiautomatic pistols that I own. It works great with every holster I have tried with it. I can always shoot 200 rounds reliably and accurately through this during a range session, something I can't say about just about any pocket semi or many subcompact semiautos. I think the weight and break of the stock trigger is just about perfect for a striker fired CCW and the takeup on mine has been smooth as silk since day one. The stock sights work just fine, I see no need to change this setup for aftermarket ones. I picked up 2 of the accessory 8 round mags in addition to the 6 and 7 round mags that came in the box, and me & my big hands can shoot this gun great with the shorter flush mount 6 rd. mag. But I prefer the 7 rounder and the 2 - 8 rounders. This gun carries better than my Gen3 G-19, and it shoots just about as reliably and accurately as my 19. I've liked this gun ever since I picked one up for the first time in Feb. of last year at the Great American Outdoor Show in Harrisburg PA and I've liked my own even better after I got it a few weeks later. I like the OP's evaluation of his with the different defensive ammo types, but I'm very happy with 124 gr. Hornady American Gunner / Custom, and it handles the regular and +P loads equally well. Suffice it to say that I highly recommend this gun!
 
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JDR: the only American Gunner ammo I could find was the 115 grain XTP . Which gave me a 1.5 inch group , but way off from where the sights are set. I was really amazed by how crappy the 115gr Critical defense stuff grouped. My wife's CW9 loves that stuff. Well come to think of it my HighPower does not like it either. I do have some 115gr Buffalo Bore +P+ ammo. It chronographed at 1,435 fps from my HighPower. It is rather hot...and throws the brass half way to Mexico. I did not try it in the Walther... I can't see it being such a good thing in that short barrel. What other loads have you tried for accuracy in yours???
 
Thanks. There is a Cabela's and a Bass Pro up in Anchorage. ( THE CENTER OF ALL THAT IS EVIL ) It is a 500 mile round-trip drive from my place. NOT far enough... Most of the stuff I bought for experiments I found at Sportsmans Whorehouse up in Soldotna. that is only a 150 mile round trip. I have some hand-loads that work just fine. But that is a different thread.
 
Sportsmans Whorehouse

Yeah, there's one of those here off the 25 at 84th and their pricing makes the Cabelas 5 miles further up the 25 seem like a deal.
 
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