Wanye is out of his mind

[gc70]

I suppose that may be the thinking, but it's still a horrible idea. First off that target demographic is small and getting smaller. The "middle aged moderate" is highly likely to either play or be aware of violent video games. And since they didn't make HIM a killer, he's going to be very suspicious of claims to the contrary.

The only people this might reach are older women who simply have never played the games and might have an inherent dislike of violent games. Maybe Wayne things he can distract the women with this kind of sideshow, but I think he's again way out of touch with the times. The older liberal women I know don't like violent games, but they aren't about to fall for rhetoric this out of date or stupid.

Look at the December 19th Gallup poll. 78% of poll respondents thought that "decreasing the depiction of gun violence on TV, in movies, and in video games" would either be "very effective" or "somewhat effective" in "preventing mass shootings at schools."

The relatively small numbers of people who are well informed about guns, or video games, or etc. will not be the deciding factor in this debate. The outcome of this discussion hinges on perceptions held, or developed, by the masses of the uninformed. To the extent that we can get the attention of those masses -even by pandering to their prejudices- and get to them to listen to our arguments, the better off we are.

Gun owners, through the NRA or otherwise, must reach out to sway the opinions of the masses because our opponents are certainly busy doing so.

 

[109Hammer]

THis guys has to be kidding me...Videogames, movies?

Thats what they are blaming? If they would stop with the fingerpointing and give some REAL idea on how to fend off these horrible issues.

I dont have any moral issues playing video games and watching violent movies...Wanye can kiss my ass

This is the last year for my NRA membership

Me too. They (NRA Leaders) are really killing us.

 

[9MMare]

There are so few incidents that it will really hard to do any statistically significant tracking.

You may be right.

More significantly...these incidents are rare. Like airline crashes...horrible, shocking, but there's no 100% way to prevent them.

 

[Delmar]

Instead of nitpicking a few lines of what Wayne had to say, how about considering the fact that he is the only one Ive heard who has offered a workable idea? Sure havent heard a single thing from either side of the aisle as to a solution.

The fact is that legislators intentionally disarmed our schools yet I havent heard a single apology from a single one of them for turning our schools into a free fire zone for the lunatic fringe. Not that I would ever expect a politician to take responsibility for anything they do.......

I do think the NRA offering training for qualified individuals to patrol our schools is an excellent, effective way of protecting the children. Funding for this might be tough to come by, but this has to happen, whatever it takes.
If the government can toss a trillion dollars at the banking industry to save some jobs, Im thinking something can be done to fund a very necessary thing.

 

[9MMare]

That's necessarily going to be the case.



Already been done in Texas and Virginia. It works. Time to do it.

Your taxes are already being used for "stuff" you do not get. At least this is a worthy cause. Surely you have family that would benefit at some point from it.

Well sorry to politicize this, but then Republicans/conservatives should really stop being such hypocrites...it's just one more entitlement and admit it.

No one wants to pay them. If I have to pay them...I want some assurances they actually work. Will guards work? Will UHC cost taxpayers less in the longrun with healthier, more productive people? Etc.

 

[Sam Cade]

I didn't read all 9 pages of posts ,but I'm curious if anyone has mentioned Lt. Col. David Grossmans book "On Killing",

Unh. Yes, that particular doofus has been mentioned...and discredited ten years ago.

http://www.theppsc.org/Grossman/Main-R.htm

 

[crossrhodes]

NRA

Well. I watched all ot the press conference and decided to renew my NRA membership. At least he had a plan that involved something other then making law abiding firearm owners look like criminals. As far as video games go....yeah they have a percentage in this along with the hollywood anti's who make "so called" action movies with endless magazines and lots of automatic spray & pray. My God...they have a video game that puts you in an airport shooting as many people (everyone not just bad guys) as possible. Tell me that and bad parenting doesn't have a negative effect on kids. GO Wayne!!!!.... at least he had a solution other then taking rights away from law abiding firearm owners.

 

[David White]

Charles Whitman couldn't have played video games.

He requested that an autopsy be done as he knew there was something wrong with him.

Turned out he was right! He had a brain tumor!

 

[481]

Well sorry to politicize this, but then Republicans/conservatives should really stop being such hypocrites...it's just one more entitlement and admit it.

Politics are OT here. Confine your posts to gun-related material.

No one wants to pay them. If I have to pay them...I want some assurances they actually work. Will guards work?

Of course armed security works. That's why our President, our Senators, and our Representatives are protected by them where they work and live. It also works for our celebrities, sports figures, money, nukes and military installations- none of which are as precious as our children. It sounds as if you are just fine with leaving our children unprotected if it "costs" you. As I said before, there is lots of "stuff" that your tax money is used for that you'll never get to use- at least this is a good cause.

Will UHC cost taxpayers less in the longrun with healthier, more productive people?

Universal healthcare is also waaay off topic and a diversionary argument.

 

[jcwit]

Would armed police work in protecting the kids in school from some nut going in an shooting kids up.

Maybe!

It works at prisons.

 

[fehhkk]

“How have our nation's priorities gotten so far out of order? Think
about it. We care about our money, so we protect our banks with
armed guards. American airports, office buildings, power plants,
courthouses — even sports stadiums — are all protected by armed
security.
We care about the President, so we protect him with armed Secret
Service agents. Members of Congress work in offices surrounded by
armed Capitol Police officers.
Yet when it comes to the most beloved, innocent and vulnerable
members of the American family — our children — we as a society
leave them utterly defenseless, and the monsters and predators of this
world know it and exploit it. That must change now!”

The antis couldn't have a rational response to this brilliant argument made by LaPierre.

 

[9MMare]

OK, understood. No politics.

So we can discuss solutions but not the feasibility of paying for them? With unlimited funds, each kid could have his/her own bodyguard.

 

[Sky]

Teachers who have their CHL and want to go to school armed works in a few places in Texas. Schools want to solve the problem then promote and help finance their teachers getting a license.

Yes I know to simple and does not require a tax on ammo or rifles to pay for some bloated wasteful new and improved better feel good program. Big campus one lone LEO and some nut job shows up for evil across campus..Armed teachers sprinkled through out a school will have a much quicker reaction time to the shots than the best ninja across a couple of buildings. Some (not all) of these shooters have planned on dying; most have been on psychotropic drugs during their childhood. Maybe someone should read the insert and see what it says. Ya think?

All I can say is be careful what you ask for. Many cities have made the news saying they were cutting down on their police departments due to funding. Think about it.

I have read an article/blog feed fest by anti's proposing up to $500 tax on evil rifles and ammo tax of ??? I do not remember...Actually I have been reading so much stuff lately I don't even remember where the $500 figure came from; but it made an impression on me!! I am a member of the NRA and appreciate what they do for us. Does not mean I have to agree with everything they do.

I totally disagree with the armed guards unless it is a temporary solution until we can get teachers who want to carry trained..If it goes with the paid LEO or Armed guard thing I will bet a cheap box of donuts that a tax on ammo, mags, or rifles will come to pay for it. Kinda like the gas tax for the highways etc etc

Maybe Wayne should read Larry Correia and all the teachers he trained over the years.

Very well written article IMO

http://larrycorreia.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/an-opinion-on-gun-control/

 

[9MMare]

Universal healthcare is also waaay off topic and a diversionary argument.

Preventing, identifying, helping the social outcasts and mentally ill is indeed a viable solution to this issue...it directly addresses the people committing the crime.

So it compares one solution against another. (Without being able to consider costs I guess).

 

[Fremmer]

party affiliation is irrelevant. Stand together, gun owners and Americans!

We've got to have better urgent care mental health treatment. These murders are committed by people who are very mentally ill. Their psychiatrists are worried, their parents are worried, but nobody is acting to intervene. Gun control won't help our desperately ill to get the immediate care they obviously aren't getting. Can we get to the root cause here, because it isn't guns!

 

[9MMare]

there is lots of "stuff" that your tax money is used for that you'll never get to use- at least this is a good cause.

That is your opinion. Americans are all allowed to have their own opinions. If there are better solutions, I think they should be explored.

It also speaks to 'who's responsibility' is it to protect other people's kids. Parents most definitely have the primary responsibility here.

 

[4thHorseman]

Napalm wrote: "Wanye is out of his mind
THis guys has to be kidding me...Videogames, movies?

Thats what they are blaming? If they would stop with the fingerpointing and give some REAL idea on how to fend off these horrible issues.

I dont have any moral issues playing video games and watching violent movies...Wanye can kiss my ass

This is the last year for my NRA membership"

Interesting view, Napalm. Can you please tell us what you have done to alleviate the issues at hand? I would like to know so I may choose who to follow between the NRA actions or yours.

 

[Certaindeaf]

Aren't commercial airline pilots allowed to still carry while working? I think they are.
As I remember it the left screamed bloody murder and poopoo'd the idea.. "pilots with guns on planes, harumph!". Well, that flew and is flying.
I think what transpired today was masterful in its timing (everyone's gone for 14 days starting today) and execution.

 

[481]

OK, understood. No politics.

So we can discuss solutions but not the feasibility of paying for them? With unlimited funds, each kid could have his/her own bodyguard.

Oh, we can talk funding all that you want, but the amount to fund armed security (about 3-6 billion dollars) is a trivial amount of our Government's annual expenditures- less than a tenth of a percent, actually.

We piss away over 2 billion bucks in interest payments every day paying for debt that the Ds and Rs (both sides are responsible, let's not kid ourselves) seem to believe that we can afford and two or three days worth of that reallocated properly would take care of the whole enchilada. By their actions, we can afford this, too.

The government breaks rules about monetary re-allocation almost daily- here is a good reason to do so.

 

[Certaindeaf]

There's so much potentially available money it's not even funny. It's just that dead wood can't be trimmed/utilized in the school systems. 1/50 doctors lose their license and 1/3000 "teachers" lose their teaching credentials (are fired) in their lifetimes. because of the unions/contract they cannot be fired

 

[Trent]

Be aware in your dicussions that there was an armed security guard (a 15 year veteran of the Sherrif's dept) on campus at Columbine.

I'm not trying to make a comment one way or another, just pointing out the fact.

The Sheriff's deputy arrived at 11:24 AM. Exchanged fire. Hid behind his car and called for backup, never entered the building.

Backup arrived and formed a protective cordon.

NONE of the law enforcement officers entered the building for OVER an hour and a half.

In fact, over two hours later, SWAT still hadn't fully cleared the building.

WOUNDED students were still crawling out of windows to receive help after 2:30 PM, SWAT hadn't got to them yet.

Don't give me that crap about armed security being there.

Armed LEO's arrived, formed a cordon, and sat their with their thumbs up their collective rumps.

 

[481]

That is your opinion. Americans are all allowed to have their own opinions. If there are better solutions, I think they should be explored.

Of course eveyone is allowed their opinion, but only the valid ones are worth considering. Armed security works, that's why we use it to protect things of value and should extent that to our children.

It also speaks to 'who's responsibility' is it to protect other people's kids. Parents most definitely have the primary responsibility here.

Sure they do, but they cannot sit by their children as they sit in class. We all have some responsibilty whether we like it or not.

 

[gc70]

So we can discuss solutions but not the feasibility of paying for them? With unlimited funds, each kid could have his/her own bodyguard..

$ 1.3 billion in military aid to Egypt
$ 2.8 billion in military aid to Pakistan
$11.2 billion in military aid to Afghanistan

Would that cover the bill to protect our children?

 

[9MMare]

Of course eveyone is allowed their opinion, but only the valid ones are worth considering. Armed security works, that's why we use it to protect things of value and should extent that to our children.


Sure they do, but they cannot sit by their children as they sit in class. We all have some responsibilty whether we like it or not.

I really have to spell this out? The parents cant be there but they can PAY for the additional security costs.

You claim the $$ is minimal AND there's lots around being misused. That doesnt make it right.

As for armed security...it didnt help at the Federal Building in OKC did it?

Of course it could be a deterrant...but the real nutters LIVE to plan this stuff...they live pathetic, excited lives planning this stuff, visualizing it....and glorifying their own deaths. If they want to do it, they'll just come up with ways around them.

Lots leave diaries, and now blogs. The Littleton shooters did, the VT shooter did, this kid destroyed his computer before going to the school.....it's all about living this great video game or movie in their heads while they prepare.....the only success they have in life is imagining they beat the system.

 

[481]

The Sheriff's deputy arrived at 11:24 AM. Exchanged fire. Hid behind his car and called for backup, never entered the building.

Backup arrived and formed a protective cordon.

NONE of the law enforcement officers entered the building for OVER an hour and a half.

In fact, over two hours later, SWAT still hadn't fully cleared the building.

WOUNDED students were still crawling out of windows to receive help after 2:30 PM, SWAT hadn't got to them yet.

Don't give me that crap about armed security being there.

Armed LEO's arrived, formed a cordon, and sat their with their thumbs up their collective rumps.

Not everyone is a coward and the broad generalization that you've made suggests unrealistic expectations of our police officers. There are procedures that need to be followed to ensure that more innocents are not killed/injured by "friendly fire" and having arriving emergency services personnel (that's the police) just rush in is a huge mistake- they're only human and can only do so much. As a police officer, my desire has always been to rush in, but I know better than that- by the time we get there, it is impossible to determine immediately who is the aggressor, where and how many they are- we are "behind the curve" and have our limitations, just like everyone else.

To expect more is OK, but it is usually not possible.