Wanye is out of his mind

[9MMare]

Sure but I am protected by defense and foreign aid (supposedly). And I dont necessarily agree with it.

I dont have kids. Why is THIS entitlement ok? Why should I pay? Why 'cant' parents? THere are fund-raisers, grants, charities. Isnt that where we're supposed to get the $$ for entitlements, not the govt?

 

[9MMare]

The government breaks rules about monetary re-allocation almost daily- here is a good reason to do so.

Cool. Let's not focus on solutions that allow them to do so right out of the box, eh? That doest justify mishandling taxpayer $$

Let's put the emotional responses aside. How often do these shootings happen? More kids die in car accidents every week.

There are other sources of funding besides taxpayers pockets. I hear that all the time with regards to other issues.

 

[481]

I really have to spell this out? The parents cant be there but they can PAY for the additional security costs.

Now, now... rudeness is the first tactic of a losing argument.

Of course, they pay for them. It is called taxes. You pay them, too, for books that you'll never read, gym classes you'll never attend, instructors you'll never hear, buses you'll never ride, playground equipment you'll never use, etc- the funds can be re-allocated. It's called a discretionary budget. They do that.

You claim the $$ is minimal AND there's lots around being misused. That doesnt make it right.

It's being wasted anyway- why not for the protection of children. Have you been able to recover all of the revenue you've contributed that's been misused or wasted? The amount is indeed trivial- our government can re-allocate it at moment's whim- wasted or misused it's spent. Might as well do it for something of value.

 

[Sam Cade]

We all have some responsibility whether we like it or not.

The supreme court has repeatedly found that their is no government/law enforcement responsibility for an individuals safety.

 

[9MMare]

Now, now... rudeness is the first tactic of a losing argument.

Of course, they pay for them. It is called taxes. You pay them, too, for books that you'll never read, gym classes you'll never attend, instructors you'll never hear, buses you'll never ride, playground equipment you'll never use, etc- the funds can be re-allocated. It's called a discretionary budget. They do that.



It's being wasted anyway- why not for the protection of children. Have you been able to recover all of the revenue you've contributed that's been misused or wasted? The amount is indeed trivial- our government can re-allocate it at moment's whim- wasted or misused it's spent. Might as well do it for something of value.

The fact that you continually justify the mishandling of taxpayer money allows me to understand just a bit more how this fiscal cliff thing is still going on.

Yes, let's continue to do the wrong thing. Let's not verify that the expensive solution will work (didnt help in OKC, didnt help in Benghazi), and let's not have the people responsible for their own kids find a way to pay for it. Wow, so much for smaller govt.

 

[481]

Sure but I am protected by defense and foreign aid (supposedly). And I dont necessarily agree with it.

And yet you have probably done nothing about it- ommission of action is the same as acquiescense.

I dont have kids. Why is THIS entitlement ok? Why should I pay? Why 'cant' parents? THere are fund-raisers, grants, charities. Isnt that where we're supposed to get the $$ for entitlements, not the govt?

Of course there are other sources. You being an American citizen means that you've been recipient of something that was given to you at some point- plenty of government subsidies paid part of your educational expenses while you were a kid in school- even if it was a private school- so why should anyone's taxes have been used to pay for you?

Why can't you return the favor?

 

[481]

The supreme court has repeatedly found that their is no government/law enforcement responsibility for an individuals safety.

You have misread/misunderstood what I wrote. That's not what I said.

 

[captain awesome]

Has everyone here messaged their congressmen?

 

[Warp]

I liked the speech, and I like how the NRA is handling it.

I wasn't even a current member, but I signed up for the payment option Lifetime membership after the speech.

I don't have time to reach the thread, but there it is.

 

[481]

The fact that you continually justify the mishandling of taxpayer money allows me to understand just a bit more how this fiscal cliff thing is still going on.

Yes, let's continue to do the wrong thing. Let's not verify that the expensive solution will work (didnt help in OKC, didnt help in Benghazi), and let's not have the people responsible for their own kids find a way to pay for it. Wow, so much for smaller govt.

You benefited from it, too.

Why so selfish? Programs/benefits/subsidies/tax payer revenues that benefit you are OK, but everyone else has to get their own?

I think I am through with you. I've seen all I need to see. Have a good evening.

Yeesh.

 

[Warp]

Cool. Let's not focus on solutions that allow them to do so right out of the box, eh? That doest justify mishandling taxpayer $$

Let's put the emotional responses aside. How often do these shootings happen? More kids die in car accidents every week.

There are other sources of funding besides taxpayers pockets. I hear that all the time with regards to other issues.

Go up in front of the country and use that to explain to everybody why you choose to do nothing.

I'm sure they'll understand.

 

[larryh1108]

9MM, you already pay for the schools thru property taxes. You already pay for medical care for the illegals with your Medicare contributions, you already pay for the Social Security benefits for the disabled (real or imagined) with your FICA contributions, you already pay for the pot holes in your streets with gasoline taxes. You already pay for the food stamps for the people who can't/don't work and now you're going to draw the line at protection for our kids in school? Now? Did you declare a sovereign nation somewhere along the line? You don't like how the government spends your money then talk to your elected officials. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms. I know, tell your elected officials to divert the money you pay for welfare to school security. Will that make you feel better? Maybe you can just say you are fed up and won't pay taxes any more. Yeah, that will work. Schools already do fundraisers and bake sales and car washes to buy frivolous stuff like pencils and paper. I'm sure they can have a few more fund raisers so they can also have armed guards at the school. it's better than banning your AR, isn't it? Buy a cake and save a life. Yeah, that's the slogan.

 

[22-rimfire]

The armed guard approach has some validity. It would be very expensive. Every school, every college class room? Every college dorm? It would be a huge undertaking and schools would have to be re-designed with fortification or defense in mind to buy time for the rest of the "good guys" to respond. Can they respond for other crimes?

I have mentioned the "gun sin tax" before. If such a plan is implemented, get prepared for it.

The anti's will simply say that its is far easier to restrict the firearms. But would that be a solution?

 

[Warp]

The armed guard approach has some validity. It would be very expensive. Every school, every college class room? Every college dorm? It would be a huge undertaking and schools would have to be re-designed with fortification or defense in mind to buy time for the rest of the "good guys" to respond. Can they respond for other crimes?

I have mentioned the "gun sin tax" before. If such a plan is implemented, get prepared for it.

The anti's will simply say that its is far easier to restrict the firearms. But would that be a solution?

What the heck are you talking about? "Every college class room?" Straw man much?

 

[481]

The armed guard approach has some validity. It would be very expensive. Every school, every college class room? Every college dorm? It would be a huge undertaking and schools would have to be re-designed with fortification or defense in mind to buy time for the rest of the "good guys" to respond.

Financing it is the easy part- stop sending TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars every year to Egypt, North Korea, the Palestinians, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan and all the other countries who HATE us for our freedoms and regularly try to kill Americans.

We can finance it ten times over (annually) with what we squander in aid to our enemies.

 

[threefeathers]

As the grandfather of a 7 year old I like what he sa9id about Video games. I would also agree to armed guards in schools.

 

[wow6599]

I like what Wayne said, but I don't like that he said it.

Not the right direction for the anti's.......he should have focused more on prevention of trash getting firearms and what the 2nd amendment really means.

 

[9MMare]

And yet you have probably done nothing about it- ommission of action is the same as acquiescense.



Of course there are other sources. You being an American citizen means that you've been recipient of something that was given to you at some point- plenty of government subsidies paid part of your educational expenses while you were a kid in school- even if it was a private school- so why should anyone's taxes have been used to pay for you?

Why can't you return the favor?

You make assumptions about my activities that are unfounded just to support your argument. Unsuccessfully.

And again, you miss the point. We say that one side of this issue is over-reacting and asking for unfair, unConstitutional action. You propose the same. In the form of more unfair taxation.

I have to right to return the favors I choose. And I got an education on the public dime....not some extra protection or security. I pay for kids' educations. OK. Let parents and school boards find a way to pay for MORE. Interesting that you dont even consider that idea. It's "just let the govt pay for more...."

 

[9MMare]

Go up in front of the country and use that to explain to everybody why you choose to do nothing.

I'm sure they'll understand.

Emotional reactions to these things dont justify over-reacting. I didnt say nothing should be done.

I suggest that parents and school boards do something. Whatever security measures they reseach and determine to be effective....find a way to pay for them that does not equal another entitlement that all have to pay for.

How does one side trying to infringe on Americans unConstitutionally by restricting gun rights make it right for the other side to do so by unfair taxation?

Both sides can be justified. Doesnt make either solution right.

 

[9MMare]

9MM, you already pay for the schools thru property taxes. You already pay for medical care for the illegals with your Medicare contributions, you already pay for the Social Security benefits for the disabled (real or imagined) with your FICA contributions, you already pay for the pot holes in your streets with gasoline taxes. You already pay for the food stamps for the people who can't/don't work and now you're going to draw the line at protection for our kids in school? Now? Did you declare a sovereign nation somewhere along the line? You don't like how the government spends your money then talk to your elected officials. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms. I know, tell your elected officials to divert the money you pay for welfare to school security. Will that make you feel better? Maybe you can just say you are fed up and won't pay taxes any more. Yeah, that will work. Schools already do fundraisers and bake sales and car washes to buy frivolous stuff like pencils and paper. I'm sure they can have a few more fund raisers so they can also have armed guards at the school. it's better than banning your AR, isn't it? Buy a cake and save a life. Yeah, that's the slogan.

There is such huge irony in this type of post....all of a sudden this misspent or wasted (or in some cases justified) money is just shrugged off....as this country is struggling to get past 'fiscal cliff' issues.

Seems like the line has been drawn, or is trying to be laid...at NO MORE.

I agree. This entitlement can be paid for by fund-raising, grants, charities. I hear all the time that that is how entitlements are supposed to be paid for...anything else is the opposite of 'smaller govt.'

 

[r1derbike]

Financing it is the easy part- stop sending TENS OF BILLIONS of dollars every year to Egypt, North Korea, the Palestinians, China, Pakistan, Afghanistan and all the other countries who HATE us for our freedoms and regularly try to kill Americans.

We can finance it ten times over (annually) with what we squander in aid to our enemies.

481, your logic is true, your reasoning sound. The money is there, appropriated for some truly heinous squandering, that may be directed for use here, instead of abroad.

Kudos. I don't know why this tit-for-tat bickering is so prevalent. Some of the arguments seem penned by members who like to read their bellicose bravado in print.

 

[2ifbyC]

It’s easy for the POTUS to cast a complex problem into the winds and then sit in a chair of judgment disregarding any solution that does not match what he has already preconceived. As someone has already stated, this is lazy leadership (at best).

Now that the public is being educated on alternative solutions, dismissing those suggestions unilaterally, will become harder and harder. Time is on our side.

 

[9MMare]

481, your logic is true, your reasoning sound. The money is there, appropriated for some truly heinous squandering, that may be directed for use here, instead of abroad.

Kudos. I don't know why this tit-for-tat bickering is so prevalent. Some of the arguments seem penned by members who like to read their bellicose bravado in print.

I think we all react to the pain of this incident differently.

This ' tit for tat bickering' is going on in the WHite House as we write. Over money. Over a point that this expenditure (armed guards) illustrates.

Govt payment for more security *by no means* indicates that they will take money from elsewhere that you believe it's being squandered. It will come from the taxpayers.

Again....the anti-gun people are hitting our Constitutional rights at the 2A....it seems pro-gun people are willing to do so by expanding govt further and unfair (ok...additional unfair, to your point) taxation.

 

[Crashbox]

Well, I'll throw in my two cents' worth-

I think Wayne (or Wanye) has a truly excellent solution in theory by having police in schools but it will be difficult- if not impossible- to put in practice due to costs, etc.

HOWEVER, an alternate solution of arming school faculty is highly practical in my opinion. Israel considers their children valuable enough to arm their school staff, and we should too.

While we're at it, we should also have an outright BAN on gun-free zones. I've said it before, all they do is create more human fish in a barrel for those who are bent on killing.

I'll shut up for now.

 

[481]

481, your logic is true, your reasoning sound. The money is there, appropriated for some truly heinous squandering, that may be directed for use here, instead of abroad.

Kudos. I don't know why this tit-for-tat bickering is so prevalent. Some of the arguments seem penned by members who like to read their bellicose bravado in print.

Thank you, sir. Appreciated.

I am used to the tit-for-tat stuff- rolls right off my back. Cooler heads have to prevail.

I'd like to think that others see the waste and would prefer to have it "redirected" to do some good, but that perspective (the bigger picture) may be far beyond some folks' reckoning.

Glad you are one of us!