Weapon of choice for the Alaska State Troopers?
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goalie
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While I don't have a clue what weapon the AK troopers use, I can tell you that when I went into the Marines, the people who had not shot before and listened to the instruction that the PMIs gave them did better than people who had shot without formal instruction and had already engrained poor technique.
Of course, there was the occasional recruit that had a Masters card in Highpower before he could get a driver's license. Those guys shot 240+ and would have easily cleaned the course of fire with a match grade AR and handloads.
Of course, there was the occasional recruit that had a Masters card in Highpower before he could get a driver's license. Those guys shot 240+ and would have easily cleaned the course of fire with a match grade AR and handloads.
carebear
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Smith 4006 for a while. Apparently now they are using the Glock. Not sure if it's the 22 or 21.
Probably the 22.
Probably the 22.
Not to pick on you, but I really really really really hate this belief. First of all why is it automatically assumed that because you have shot before you have "poor technique" or "bad habits" or anything of the sort?? Did anyone ever think that people who have shot before just MAY know what the hell they're doing and be a good shot?? I've heard this nonsense about people who've never shot doing better than those who have so many times and I've never seen it proven true.
When I went through the police academy I had been shooting for about 8 years and was a damn good shot. I was constantly shooting at the top of my class, usually with perfect scores, and was in the running for the firearms award until I stupidly forgot an entire mag on my last qualifying round.....and I STILL scored high enough to qualify. I did not have to have one instructor tell me a single thing the entire week and just about every one saw me doing my thing and left me alone.
HOWEVER, the people who had NEVER shot a gun before were painfully obvious and were the ones not hitting the broad side of a barn. We had 5 people not able to qualify and were subsequently kicked out of the academy and another 5 have to go to remedial and barely made it in their re-shoot.
This whole idea just makes no sense at all. It would be like saying don't try to get in shape and excercise before you go in the military/police cause you'll just learn all the wrong excercises. How silly would that be??? :banghead:
Thanks, bear and Kevin.
FWIW, goalie, I qualified third-highest out of forty-five in my academy class. It would have been a three-way tie for first, except I dropped a shot. My friend qualified somewhere near the middle of a different class. I reckon we may know a thing or two about shootin' irons.
Kevin, I know what you're talking about, when it comes to those that need remedial training. In my experience, it's mostly the females that have never shot before, and haven't been doing anything to strengthen up the muscles in their forearms. They're the same ones that haven't gone out to the range in their time off to try to develop the muscle memory that comes with a good amount of practice.
FWIW, goalie, I qualified third-highest out of forty-five in my academy class. It would have been a three-way tie for first, except I dropped a shot. My friend qualified somewhere near the middle of a different class. I reckon we may know a thing or two about shootin' irons.
Kevin, I know what you're talking about, when it comes to those that need remedial training. In my experience, it's mostly the females that have never shot before, and haven't been doing anything to strengthen up the muscles in their forearms. They're the same ones that haven't gone out to the range in their time off to try to develop the muscle memory that comes with a good amount of practice.
spacemanspiff
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i'm pretty sure its the glock 21. very few leo's up here carry anything else. a few of the older ones grandfathered in their sig 220's.
the fbi currently authorizes sig 229 in 40s&w, and the glocks in 22, i beleive.
anchorage swat can carry whatever they qualify with.
the fbi currently authorizes sig 229 in 40s&w, and the glocks in 22, i beleive.
anchorage swat can carry whatever they qualify with.
pcf
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Let's change it to the guys that raise their hands when the question "who knows how to shoot" gets asked, usually don't rise to the occasion.
There are plenty of people that shoot well, that don't "know how to shoot" when the instructor ask.
gunsmith
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when I was a kid
& I signed up, the only experience I had was in the boy scouts and that was less then 10 trips to the range and we didn't zero our rifles.
I listened to the drill sgt and was probably the best shot in my platoon.
Other guys listened & couldn't get it on paper
& I signed up, the only experience I had was in the boy scouts and that was less then 10 trips to the range and we didn't zero our rifles.
I listened to the drill sgt and was probably the best shot in my platoon.
Other guys listened & couldn't get it on paper
Cosmoline
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If he wants a real leg up, your friend should learn all he can about Alaska, esp. rural and bush Alaska.
redneckdan
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I have seen both sides, I've seen people who shot before and couldn't hit paper at 10 feet. Others who gave us ROs a run fer our money. I've had people who have never even seen a gun before come in and be punchin x-rings at 50ft in under a half hour, others that take much more practice just to stop flinching. Atitude is a big part I think.
Ding Ding.....4 of the 5 that I mentioned that got kicked out of the academy for being unable to qualify were females.
I can pretty much go with that. Like anything else the ones with the biggest mouths usually never live up to their own hype. If you're good and know what you're doing shut up and show us instead of telling us.
I think the problem we're having is the definition of "shot a gun before". There are plenty of people that had a buddy take them to a range before and shot a gun one or two times. I don't count those people as having "shot before". When I say people who have shot before I'm talking about those who actually took the time and effort to learn to shoot correctly and practice those techniques.
Along with that there are always the naturals that can pick up a gun for the first time and in 5 minutes be drilling the center out of the target. I always like finding those people. But like most things to get good at shooting you need practice, and it really bugs me when people discourage others from practicing.
I think rifles and pistols are a little different. I think pistols require a lot more practice to shoot well with than rifles do.
At least, that is what happened with me. It took a lot of practice for me to get confident with my large bore pistols. I guess I grew up shooting first BB guns, then .22 LR, and large rifles so maybe it is just bias on my part.
On my recent CHL renewal test, some people had some really wide patterns just at the 3 yard distance. Some got pretty bad at 7 yards. I don't think I shot outside a 4" hole until 15 yards except for a couple. I am out of practice with pistols. Our instructor didn't seem to care for ParaOrdnance P14's though.
At least, that is what happened with me. It took a lot of practice for me to get confident with my large bore pistols. I guess I grew up shooting first BB guns, then .22 LR, and large rifles so maybe it is just bias on my part.
On my recent CHL renewal test, some people had some really wide patterns just at the 3 yard distance. Some got pretty bad at 7 yards. I don't think I shot outside a 4" hole until 15 yards except for a couple. I am out of practice with pistols.
Our instructor didn't seem to care for ParaOrdnance P14's though.Too true... What's a good learning resource?
He''s spent a lifetime living in South Florida (the part where it never gets colder than sixty degrees). All either of us have seen of Alaska is what you get seeing the port towns from the decks of a couple of cruise ships...
Gotta say, Anchorage is beautiful in the summer... As is the rest of the coast.
stevelyn
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AST issues the Glock 22 and 27 as well as the airport police in ANC and FBKS. All who go through ALETs at the DPS Academy train on the G-22 unless they are agency sponsored and they bring their own department issued sidearm.
Most agencies in the state issue or authorize Glocks, some are restricted to .40 S&W, some are either .40 or .45, some like ANC are .45. There are a couple of agencies that allow you to carry whatever from a list of approved guns. I think Bethel is the only agency that currently approves and has officers carrying the .357 Sig.
Mine issues the Glock 23, but we can carry anything in .40 S&W. I carry my own G-22. My chief up until a few months ago was carrying a Beretta 96.
He has since been enlightened and become another of Gaston's disciples and carries his own G-22 now.
Most agencies in the state issue or authorize Glocks, some are restricted to .40 S&W, some are either .40 or .45, some like ANC are .45. There are a couple of agencies that allow you to carry whatever from a list of approved guns. I think Bethel is the only agency that currently approves and has officers carrying the .357 Sig.
Mine issues the Glock 23, but we can carry anything in .40 S&W. I carry my own G-22. My chief up until a few months ago was carrying a Beretta 96.
He has since been enlightened and become another of Gaston's disciples and carries his own G-22 now.
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