Weird point-shooting technique

[trooper]

For some reason I just remembered how a firearms instructor back in the Border Police tried to teach us a very strange point-shooting technique for the MP 5.

Assuming you were a right-handed shooter, you had to stretch out your left arm (that held the hand guard), align the gun with the left arm all the way from muzzle to buttstock (without pulling it to the shoulder) and fire while roughly aiming over the barrel.

Have you ever heard about it or tried it? It was new to me and I found it kinda weird.


Regards,

Trooper

 

[El Tejon]

Shooting out of the Rhodesian Ready/underarm "assault" position. For moving and grooving up close and personal.

Have done it with 54 and 635 as well as open bolts. Do not like it and I do not train enough with smg to be as effective as I should be. As well, I'm big fan of universal positions as to all weapons.

 

[tetleyb]

Yes. The technique is widely called "CQB" firing and was originally pioneered (I believe) by the British SAS. The SAS is famous for always training with gas masks on and this would allow them to fire, without trying to get a cheek weld, etc. However, it does have its limitations; distance shooting being one of them. Hence the CQB label.

 

[El Tejon]

trooper, IMVHO, I believe this technique is similar to the Sul position. It looks cool, and cool people do it, so I want to do it as well. "Iwannacooltechnique" or "Iwannabeacommandotoo."

However, as tet notes this was developed for specific applications. As well, I do not have the government backing me up when I: run toward danger, miss and hit something I shouldn't, give me training time and ammo.

Techniques are like tools are like anything else--it depends.

 

[trooper]

Yeah, I guess that's what I meant. I found it strange because it felt a bit awkward and unusual. I probably wouldn't pull it off if I was under stress simply because it is unnatural to me.

Then again, Border Police firearms training was never cheered for great realism or impressive achievements

I learned more from practicing at the gun club.


Regards,

Trooper

 

[4v50 Gary]

What tetleyB says. Strictly close range and personally I didn't care for it. If you're wearing a gas mask, then try the sternum position where the butt is placed on the sternum centerline with the body and you're looking over the entire gun when you shoot. Head is erect and level (no sights used). Since it's a SMG, there's little recoil (unlike a big bore rifle or 12 ga). When using the sternum position, think gun turret.

 

[Matthew Temkin]

I learned that from some Swedish SWAT officers who, in turn, learned it from the British police.
In fact on my video which was reviewed by Horsense, it is demonstrated by a Swedish SWAT member/instructor.
Personally I do not like it.
With the weapon locked out I found it very hard to index the weapon.
I found it accurate ( for me) only at very close range.
I find indexing the stock against the sternan/midsection a much more practical technique.

 

[Paul Gomez]

Realize that the SAS used this techinique as a work-around due to the equipment they had, not do to any inate superiority to it. Compact, durable unit power sights did not exist. It's difficult to get any sort of chest mount/index when you're wearing battle rattle. And the gas mask had only one filter canister and it was fitted to the right cheek!! This technique dates from the late 70s, if not earlier. [For an interesting trip through the looking class, take a look at the gear that was used during the Princes Gate affair. Black suede tac vests and leather duty gear.]