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What are the best tactical shooter games
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George, you must be hell around the hunting camp fire! 
Had me skeered! Aliens II should give you a kickback! I love Ghost Recon & the first Alien one. I can see that I need to check out some of your suggestions.
Had me skeered! Aliens II should give you a kickback! I love Ghost Recon & the first Alien one. I can see that I need to check out some of your suggestions.BerettaNut92
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Lemme guess, with just a knife and maybe a pistol?
My current favorites are:
- R6: Raven Shield - Great modern indoors/close range game. People complain about the AI but really this game is all about multiplayer... Weapons and stuff feel real great. No bunny hopping lamers or similar crap like in CS or something... Very tactical feel at least if you're playing with a good group of guys online. This is the game to get for indoors "tactical" FPS gaming
- Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and the expansion MOH: Spearhead - Great WWII game. Fun singleplayer, but multiplayer is it's heart as well. If you play on servers with a realism mod to up weapon damage and loadouts to more realistic settings etc it is a great game. The non-realism mod stock game annoyed me though... (plenty of realism servers online, I play on nothing else) Personally I prefer this over BF1942 due to superior multiplayer IMO (smaller scale, no vehicles but all I'm after in these games is infantry combat anyway... BF1942s largely arcade feeling and poor netcode last time I ventured a go at it pissed me off. Everyone's too busy d*cking around crashing the crappy vehicles and such... Weapons didn't feel powerful enough, etc {may have been addressed in patches, not sure})
- Infiltration - Free realistic tactical shooter mod for the Unreal Tourney engine. Lots of fun, mainly made for online gaming, newest version is supposed to be coming out any time now: http://infiltration.sentrystudios.net/ Has no crosshair and a type of iron sight aiming/shouldering your weapon implemented (FOV is too far away from the sites due to UT engine constraints, but hey...) Your hands have some free movement on screen before your view/head moves unlike regular FPSs. Takes a little getting used to but I really like it.
- Operation Flashpoint - This is the game to get if large scale outdoors combat is what you're after. It's mainly a single-player game as the online setup is frankly subpar IMO. You have to use gamespy, can't join games in progress, lag is often a problem, etc. But the vehicles that require multiple people to operate and the large maps add alot if you have the patience. The few times I've been in a good server with a group of good players it was some serious fun. The game is a little less polished than some, and is a little clumbsy at times, but it is offset by the huge battlefields/environments. OpFlash Has several expansions (in the original you are US troops in a conflict, in Red Hammer you are on the Russian side, etc), I especially enjoyed Resistance, which pits you as a major part of a rebel uprising against Commie forces in a island nation. Goes from you with your shotgun to commandering Commie arms and equipment (including tanks and such), performing ambushes on convoys/patrols, sabotaging their equipment, etc. I thought Resistance was one of the best singleplayer games I've played in a long long time (of course I really liked the theme/story of it to begin with...)
- America's Army - This one I'm kinda torn on. It's a good engine (UT2k3 based) and has good weapons models and maps, and of course it's a free download. But something about it turns me off to it. Seems like the weapon damage is pretty weak alot of times, that or the netcode is such that it's laggy without appearing so. I'll often dump into an enemy at fairly close range and we'll both sit there blazing off a mag at each other, each taking several hits. It takes more hits than I feel it should most of the time, kinda ruins it for me... That just doesn't feel "tactical", most of the time I'd rather play Raven Shield where I put a quick burst into a target and assuming I did my part aiming and controling movement so I don't miss they go down hardcore. Of course Raven Shield doesn't have the outdoors maps like AA does. I do love the iron sight aiming in AA though, I wish more games would go to that and do away with a cheesy crosshair and no-shouldering your weapon function. I keep hoping one of these updates they'll up the weapon damage values in AA, maybe they have since I last played... Someone let me know if they've addressed that or if I'm just crazy about that part to begin with...
I'll mention that DF: Blackhawk Down is alot better than the last couple Delta Force games IMO. The singleplayer still leaves something to be desired, and the multiplayer is hampered by the DF series patented crappy netcode/lag, but it is still fun (mainly for multiplayer, single gets boring fairly quick). Not quite as realistic as could be. There is still something to be said for the bigass boards, good landscape, and fun to use weapons. Nothing quite like getting on a (Mk 19?) automatic grenade launcher and smackin some suckers in a big Somalian town that looks/feels the part. I enjoy the miniguns on the blackhawks and Ma Dueces on the Humvees too (vehicles aren't driveable, but cruise on set paths in the multiplayer maps where you can man the guns)
Splinter Cell isn't a FPS, but it's fun as a stealth aimed game in 3rd person. All singleplayer, lots of fun little challenges. I personally wish you could be more free with the firearms at times.
- R6: Raven Shield - Great modern indoors/close range game. People complain about the AI but really this game is all about multiplayer... Weapons and stuff feel real great. No bunny hopping lamers or similar crap like in CS or something... Very tactical feel at least if you're playing with a good group of guys online. This is the game to get for indoors "tactical" FPS gaming
- Medal of Honor: Allied Assault and the expansion MOH: Spearhead - Great WWII game. Fun singleplayer, but multiplayer is it's heart as well. If you play on servers with a realism mod to up weapon damage and loadouts to more realistic settings etc it is a great game. The non-realism mod stock game annoyed me though... (plenty of realism servers online, I play on nothing else) Personally I prefer this over BF1942 due to superior multiplayer IMO (smaller scale, no vehicles but all I'm after in these games is infantry combat anyway... BF1942s largely arcade feeling and poor netcode last time I ventured a go at it pissed me off. Everyone's too busy d*cking around crashing the crappy vehicles and such... Weapons didn't feel powerful enough, etc {may have been addressed in patches, not sure})
- Infiltration - Free realistic tactical shooter mod for the Unreal Tourney engine. Lots of fun, mainly made for online gaming, newest version is supposed to be coming out any time now: http://infiltration.sentrystudios.net/ Has no crosshair and a type of iron sight aiming/shouldering your weapon implemented (FOV is too far away from the sites due to UT engine constraints, but hey...) Your hands have some free movement on screen before your view/head moves unlike regular FPSs. Takes a little getting used to but I really like it.
- Operation Flashpoint - This is the game to get if large scale outdoors combat is what you're after. It's mainly a single-player game as the online setup is frankly subpar IMO. You have to use gamespy, can't join games in progress, lag is often a problem, etc. But the vehicles that require multiple people to operate and the large maps add alot if you have the patience. The few times I've been in a good server with a group of good players it was some serious fun. The game is a little less polished than some, and is a little clumbsy at times, but it is offset by the huge battlefields/environments. OpFlash Has several expansions (in the original you are US troops in a conflict, in Red Hammer you are on the Russian side, etc), I especially enjoyed Resistance, which pits you as a major part of a rebel uprising against Commie forces in a island nation. Goes from you with your shotgun to commandering Commie arms and equipment (including tanks and such), performing ambushes on convoys/patrols, sabotaging their equipment, etc. I thought Resistance was one of the best singleplayer games I've played in a long long time (of course I really liked the theme/story of it to begin with...)
- America's Army - This one I'm kinda torn on. It's a good engine (UT2k3 based) and has good weapons models and maps, and of course it's a free download. But something about it turns me off to it. Seems like the weapon damage is pretty weak alot of times, that or the netcode is such that it's laggy without appearing so. I'll often dump into an enemy at fairly close range and we'll both sit there blazing off a mag at each other, each taking several hits. It takes more hits than I feel it should most of the time, kinda ruins it for me... That just doesn't feel "tactical", most of the time I'd rather play Raven Shield where I put a quick burst into a target and assuming I did my part aiming and controling movement so I don't miss they go down hardcore. Of course Raven Shield doesn't have the outdoors maps like AA does. I do love the iron sight aiming in AA though, I wish more games would go to that and do away with a cheesy crosshair and no-shouldering your weapon function. I keep hoping one of these updates they'll up the weapon damage values in AA, maybe they have since I last played... Someone let me know if they've addressed that or if I'm just crazy about that part to begin with...
I'll mention that DF: Blackhawk Down is alot better than the last couple Delta Force games IMO. The singleplayer still leaves something to be desired, and the multiplayer is hampered by the DF series patented crappy netcode/lag, but it is still fun (mainly for multiplayer, single gets boring fairly quick). Not quite as realistic as could be. There is still something to be said for the bigass boards, good landscape, and fun to use weapons. Nothing quite like getting on a (Mk 19?) automatic grenade launcher and smackin some suckers in a big Somalian town that looks/feels the part. I enjoy the miniguns on the blackhawks and Ma Dueces on the Humvees too (vehicles aren't driveable, but cruise on set paths in the multiplayer maps where you can man the guns)
Splinter Cell isn't a FPS, but it's fun as a stealth aimed game in 3rd person. All singleplayer, lots of fun little challenges. I personally wish you could be more free with the firearms at times.
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I'm an America's Army guy too. Not the best in the world at it but I'm all for making a Clan. I run with megcatia in SE Weapons Cache but I like Weapons Cashe and River Basin too.
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Splinter Cell is pretty sweet, and Operation Flashpoint is really good, too. Counter strike is pretty cool. I really seriously think we should start a THR CS Clan. Someone get a server and we'll be set
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Anyone with me?
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"George, you must be hell around the hunting camp fire!"
LOL, you think I'm scary? Play that game.
I wish I still had my UNDYING CD Rom. Lent it off to someone and never got it back.
LOL, you think I'm scary? Play that game.
I wish I still had my UNDYING CD Rom. Lent it off to someone and never got it back.
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vietcong wasnt too bad. i plaied it for a few weeks and other than never being able to see anyone....wasnt bad. weapon assortment was cool and super realistic.....you know if that was a m16a1 or a ak-47 that went off just to your right by the sound alone. but dang if i couldnt see anyone....typcial jungle so guess its realistic
did like MOH:AA alot, first game in a long time that totaly drew me in. I was playing ever day after work for a few hours. Yea not the most realistic one out there but it was just dang good fun.
Ive never been a huge fan of the tom clancy games just because they are difficult to control. i tried rainbow 6 when it came out, and couldnt figure out the 400 keyboard commands to control you squad in single mode. never could get the hang of it, even tho im dieing to try it again soon.
did like MOH:AA alot, first game in a long time that totaly drew me in. I was playing ever day after work for a few hours. Yea not the most realistic one out there but it was just dang good fun.
Ive never been a huge fan of the tom clancy games just because they are difficult to control. i tried rainbow 6 when it came out, and couldnt figure out the 400 keyboard commands to control you squad in single mode. never could get the hang of it, even tho im dieing to try it again soon.
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Wombat, thats the thing about team games such as CS and Planetside. You need to have a good team for it to be really fun, and unless your in a clan, its impossable to find a good team!
I've never played CS, but I would be willing to try (If somebody wanted to send me a CD
).
I would love to get with you guys and play a AA game sometime though. I have a medium speed PC, 1.6Ghz/512Mb ram/ 128k DSL. But have you ever tried hosting a server in AA? OH MY GOD! Its all text based! No graphic menus to set up your server settings etc.. You have to mash all your settings into a text file and run a separate exe
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I've done it before, but on a LAN. I don't even know if you could join me behind my firewall.
I've never played CS, but I would be willing to try (If somebody wanted to send me a CD
).I would love to get with you guys and play a AA game sometime though. I have a medium speed PC, 1.6Ghz/512Mb ram/ 128k DSL. But have you ever tried hosting a server in AA? OH MY GOD! Its all text based! No graphic menus to set up your server settings etc.. You have to mash all your settings into a text file and run a separate exe
.I've done it before, but on a LAN. I don't even know if you could join me behind my firewall.
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Yeah your very right about undying's frightening atmosphere. I don't know how far i made it in the game, to those ruins in the hills i think. I just couldnt continue. It was stressing me out way to much
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George - did you ever play System Shock II?
that game seriously creeped me out.
FPS/RPG set on a prototype spacecraft in the near future.
Neat guns and weapons, customizable characters, good survival/horror feel to it. Never enough ammo or utility equipment, complex plot, etc.
Although I haven't played AvP II, System Shock II is the only game I've played that actually scared me.
Deus Ex, by the same company, is another great FPS/RPG. Not really scary, but has an awesome story and some really neat locations.
Both should be pretty cheap if you can find them, and they hold up surprisingly well against newer games despite their inferior graphics.
that game seriously creeped me out.
FPS/RPG set on a prototype spacecraft in the near future.
Neat guns and weapons, customizable characters, good survival/horror feel to it. Never enough ammo or utility equipment, complex plot, etc.
Although I haven't played AvP II, System Shock II is the only game I've played that actually scared me.
Deus Ex, by the same company, is another great FPS/RPG. Not really scary, but has an awesome story and some really neat locations.
Both should be pretty cheap if you can find them, and they hold up surprisingly well against newer games despite their inferior graphics.
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System Shock II was a staggering game. Awesome plot, creepy sound, good character customization. I played it through twice.
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i like all the delta force games,,,
but havent tried blackhawk down
still in land warrior myself and it is still a great game with lots of gamer customized maps available to play online
guess i'll have to break down and get black hawk down
"proud delta force 1 veteran"
fyi i play as Agent 86 and usually pack the oicw or m-40 but sometimes go to the jackhammer (auto 12 ga) for close quarters fun
i like hunting snipers the most
i will complain that there are sometimes machine gunners that just hold the trigger
i find it annoying,,,effective,,, but annoying
they should rig it so the barrels melt after too much continous auto fire
that would be cool,,,
but havent tried blackhawk down
still in land warrior myself and it is still a great game with lots of gamer customized maps available to play online
guess i'll have to break down and get black hawk down
"proud delta force 1 veteran"
fyi i play as Agent 86 and usually pack the oicw or m-40 but sometimes go to the jackhammer (auto 12 ga) for close quarters fun
i like hunting snipers the most
i will complain that there are sometimes machine gunners that just hold the trigger
i find it annoying,,,effective,,, but annoying
they should rig it so the barrels melt after too much continous auto fire
that would be cool,,,
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Since when was there a System Shock II? The first one was great...awesome concept, too far ahead of its time for people to appreciate it. Ingenious.
I like the lightsaber.
I like the lightsaber.
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Hey, Skunky's a "computer guy". I don't know if that means he's good with hardware or software, but he could help us with a server if it's the latter.
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C/W, I'm a hardware/software guy, and am pretty bad with networks...I doubt i'd be the best getting a server up, but if you did need the extra 40k of conventional memory to run Falcon 3.0....
ShaiVong
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SS2 has been out for awhile now, pick it up! More than a year at least.. More than 2 i think.
Dorrin79
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skunkabilly -
SS2 was released under some odd auspices. Looking Glass Games (the developing company) went bankrupt shortly after the game was completed.
Warren Spector, the game's designer, managed to get it published anyway, and distributed by Electronic Arts (IIRC) but it was not marketed, nor was it widely carried.
I believe you can get a copy through EA's "Classic Games" division now.
PS: It also has a lightsaber
SS2 was released under some odd auspices. Looking Glass Games (the developing company) went bankrupt shortly after the game was completed.
Warren Spector, the game's designer, managed to get it published anyway, and distributed by Electronic Arts (IIRC) but it was not marketed, nor was it widely carried.
I believe you can get a copy through EA's "Classic Games" division now.
PS: It also has a lightsaber
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System Shock II?
Can I get that on "Gold CD Edition"? Anyone?
Can I get that on "Gold CD Edition"? Anyone?
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Still, someone here has to be good with servers.
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"you might check the bargain bins at EB, Babbages, etc."
Remember what Luke Skywalker said? "If there is a bright center of the universe, your on the furtherst planet from it." (Or something to that effect.)
I'm pretty much on the boarder between Utah and Colorado in the upper corner area. We are just happy to have a McDonalds and a Walmart here.
If I want anything you can't get there... It's a 3 hour drive if I haul and just figure 30 bucks added to the cost for gas to get it.
Remember what Luke Skywalker said? "If there is a bright center of the universe, your on the furtherst planet from it." (Or something to that effect.)
I'm pretty much on the boarder between Utah and Colorado in the upper corner area. We are just happy to have a McDonalds and a Walmart here.
If I want anything you can't get there... It's a 3 hour drive if I haul and just figure 30 bucks added to the cost for gas to get it.
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Majoring in Computer Science, my college years included a lot of gaming. My personal favorites:
1. Rainbow 6 Series (Rainbow 6, Rogue Spear, Raven Shield, and add-ons). Rogue Spear was probably the best. The engine was smooth and little to no lag in 16-man multiplayer. I think Raven Shield is awesome, but I don't go to LAN parties anymore, so I haven't played this game in hardcore multiplayer, yet.
2. Medal of Honor. Based on the Quake engine. I like this game for single and multiplayer. Single player game is pretty linear as far as the story line goes, but it's still fun. Multi is awesome. Too many lamers though. Lots of players use automatics and can't aim. I stick to the Garand myself (or the shotgun when I want to get on people's nerves).
3. Operation Flashpoint. The engine had it's quirks, but it's strength was in it's customization. We used to make our own missions and play them with at least 4 people. You need some serious hardware for some of the missions we made; too many units.
Stuff I didn't like:
1. Counterstrike. This is arguably the most popular 1st person shooter, but personally, I can't get into it. For some reason, the Half-Life engine just makes me want to turn off the computer. It feels too cartoony for me.
2. Wolfenstein: Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Only one level was fun for multiplayer: the beach. The rest of them were really bad. The single player was cool, but then they threw in the supernatural element of Nazi zombies, and that just killed the game for me.
3. Ghost Recon. This is the one Tom Clancy shooter I didn't like. I was highly anticipating the game ever since I saw the first screenshots, but when we finally got a copy, the engine was too clunky. Movements seemed slow compared to Rogue Spear. Targeting and firing acquisition seemed to rough, too.
What I really want to try, but haven't had time to try out:
1. America's Army. This has gotten rave reviews and the Army even uses it for training. Eventually I'll install it and try it out.
1. Rainbow 6 Series (Rainbow 6, Rogue Spear, Raven Shield, and add-ons). Rogue Spear was probably the best. The engine was smooth and little to no lag in 16-man multiplayer. I think Raven Shield is awesome, but I don't go to LAN parties anymore, so I haven't played this game in hardcore multiplayer, yet.
2. Medal of Honor. Based on the Quake engine. I like this game for single and multiplayer. Single player game is pretty linear as far as the story line goes, but it's still fun. Multi is awesome. Too many lamers though. Lots of players use automatics and can't aim. I stick to the Garand myself (or the shotgun when I want to get on people's nerves).
3. Operation Flashpoint. The engine had it's quirks, but it's strength was in it's customization. We used to make our own missions and play them with at least 4 people. You need some serious hardware for some of the missions we made; too many units.
Stuff I didn't like:
1. Counterstrike. This is arguably the most popular 1st person shooter, but personally, I can't get into it. For some reason, the Half-Life engine just makes me want to turn off the computer. It feels too cartoony for me.
2. Wolfenstein: Return to Castle Wolfenstein. Only one level was fun for multiplayer: the beach. The rest of them were really bad. The single player was cool, but then they threw in the supernatural element of Nazi zombies, and that just killed the game for me.
3. Ghost Recon. This is the one Tom Clancy shooter I didn't like. I was highly anticipating the game ever since I saw the first screenshots, but when we finally got a copy, the engine was too clunky. Movements seemed slow compared to Rogue Spear. Targeting and firing acquisition seemed to rough, too.
What I really want to try, but haven't had time to try out:
1. America's Army. This has gotten rave reviews and the Army even uses it for training. Eventually I'll install it and try it out.
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