streetstang67
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I've read that the m40 sniper rifle system is based around the Remington 700 action. Other than the obvious optics and the stock, what is different? Is it the same barrel, reciever, bolt, firing pin, etc...?
What exactly is different on the M40 Sniper rifle, from the standard Remington 700?
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ocabj
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If you are refering to an actual USMC M40A3 rifle, it's going to have a Schneider barrel and a McMillan A-4 stock. But it's also going to be tuned by the Marine Corps armory.
30 cal slob
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does a store-bought remington 700 have glass-bedding and free floating bbl and a nice crisp trigger?
Karbon
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That's a BIG negative Sir.
streetstang67
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Ok, so the stock is set up for the barrel to be free-floating, and the trigger is adjusted to be crisper. What else?
ocabj
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270Win
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They are MUCH heavier. I got a chance to handle an M40 made on the side by an armorer for a man at my range. It was extremely heavy... at least it seemed to be. He had a Schmidt and Bender scope on it, whatever the "official" new power is, now that 10X is out. 4-14X?
It had a 1:10" Schneider barrel. Trigger was light as a feather. The rest followed suit. It was a VERY impressive rifle. He was putting five shots into one hole at 100 yards, using Lake City and Black Hills ammo.
It had a 1:10" Schneider barrel. Trigger was light as a feather. The rest followed suit. It was a VERY impressive rifle. He was putting five shots into one hole at 100 yards, using Lake City and Black Hills ammo.
They both start with a Rem700 action. That's about the only similarity between the M40 and the commercial Rem 700 model. The M40 is a complete custom rifle build. They don't just buy one off the shelf and tweak it a bit. They buy an action then blueprint it and build up from there.
runninmike
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The actions are bbl'd Rem 700v's stripped and bead blasted before anything.
They have a wide steel mod 70 trigger guard & a steel mod 70 floor plate-both modified to fit the rem action & the McM stock, hand lapped/squared bolt, marine-tex glass job, stainless bluing salts to hide the matt stainless bbl. They headspace 1.630 closed, and 1.631 open.
The bbls were actually made by a few diff makers including Hart, Shilen, Obermyer and some others. They have a special recoil lug made right by Marines, and the stock screws are replaced with hex screws and custom escuschons to anchor everything proper. And alot of attention to detail in each step of course.
They will cut a 5 shot clover @ 300yds and will stay @ least moa to 1000 or they are reworked to do so. Lots of pride and also sometimes humility helps to get them right every time.
They have a wide steel mod 70 trigger guard & a steel mod 70 floor plate-both modified to fit the rem action & the McM stock, hand lapped/squared bolt, marine-tex glass job, stainless bluing salts to hide the matt stainless bbl. They headspace 1.630 closed, and 1.631 open.
The bbls were actually made by a few diff makers including Hart, Shilen, Obermyer and some others. They have a special recoil lug made right by Marines, and the stock screws are replaced with hex screws and custom escuschons to anchor everything proper. And alot of attention to detail in each step of course.
They will cut a 5 shot clover @ 300yds and will stay @ least moa to 1000 or they are reworked to do so. Lots of pride and also sometimes humility helps to get them right every time.
Detritus
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most serious difference....
Remington builds the 700, and all other products they sell, for profit.
the Marine Corps Armorers take a stripped 700 action then build the M40A3 for their fellow Marines, whose lives will depend on it's ability to exactly what it is supposed to EVERY time.
by that fact alone they are two completely different animals.
to my mind it's like the difference between a large diameter dowel rod and a finely ballanced wooden Javelin. sure you CAN make the latter from the former, but they are NOT the same thing.
Remington builds the 700, and all other products they sell, for profit.
the Marine Corps Armorers take a stripped 700 action then build the M40A3 for their fellow Marines, whose lives will depend on it's ability to exactly what it is supposed to EVERY time.
by that fact alone they are two completely different animals.
to my mind it's like the difference between a large diameter dowel rod and a finely ballanced wooden Javelin. sure you CAN make the latter from the former, but they are NOT the same thing.
runninmike
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No, just short actions.
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The M24 uses the long action so that it was able to be used with 300 Win Mag but it also makes hand loading a single round easier.The M40's I saw when I was a B4 in the Army were 40X receivers where the M24 were 700 receivers , but that was in the first years of the M24 and M40.
Medusa
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Well, I'd rather have one M40A3 than 2 Rem 700s.
MCgunner
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I'm sure the custom rifle is more accurate and better off the bench or in the hands of a marine sniper trying to kill a BG at 1000 yards. But, I'd rather tote a M700 mountain rifle in the rockies all day chasing mule deer. It's lighter to carry and accurate enough. Different tool for a less demanding job.
I don't swoon for a tacticool sniper rifle or a heavy barrel bench rest rifle because I'm not into bench rest shooting or even long range varmints. If I were, I'd want one. But, for most of us deer duffers out here in America, the M700 is a fine tool. IOW, if you shoot competition, you need to buy the high dollar custom. But, if you hunt bambi and 1 MOA is fantastic, why pay the extra cash, I mean especially considering you're going to get tired totin' that thing after a couple of hours? The M700 is not built and marketed to target shooters or snipers, it's built and targeted to deer hunters many of whom think it costs too much.
I don't swoon for a tacticool sniper rifle or a heavy barrel bench rest rifle because I'm not into bench rest shooting or even long range varmints. If I were, I'd want one. But, for most of us deer duffers out here in America, the M700 is a fine tool. IOW, if you shoot competition, you need to buy the high dollar custom. But, if you hunt bambi and 1 MOA is fantastic, why pay the extra cash, I mean especially considering you're going to get tired totin' that thing after a couple of hours? The M700 is not built and marketed to target shooters or snipers, it's built and targeted to deer hunters many of whom think it costs too much.
redneck2
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If you go over to Benchrest Central there's a forum for factory rifle class (or used to be anyway)
I don't see that the military does anything magical, just get great parts and tune the thing up like the benchrest boys.
I've got a 700 Sendero 7mm Rem Mag that will shoot under an inch. Comes with the composite stock, aluminum pillar bedding. You can adjust the factory trigger to maybe 1 1/2-2# if you want. Mine's real crisp.
If you want to pay an extra $2,500 to shave off 1/8" at a hundred, have it it. There's plenty of gunsmiths that can do it. Most guys would be a lot better off spending the money on ammo and practicing.
I don't see that the military does anything magical, just get great parts and tune the thing up like the benchrest boys.
I've got a 700 Sendero 7mm Rem Mag that will shoot under an inch. Comes with the composite stock, aluminum pillar bedding. You can adjust the factory trigger to maybe 1 1/2-2# if you want. Mine's real crisp.
If you want to pay an extra $2,500 to shave off 1/8" at a hundred, have it it. There's plenty of gunsmiths that can do it. Most guys would be a lot better off spending the money on ammo and practicing.
sniper18b4
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too many wannabes and never bes here.im out.
streetstang67
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Ok, so can you help answer my question or not?
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