What is the point of an FFL ?

[12Bravo20]

WOW! This thread sure went south quickly especially from someone that is not a US citizen nor fully understands our laws.


As far as the US 2nd Amendment, I have talked to plenty of people from Australia and New Zealand that have stated that they wish their countries had something like the US 2nd Amendment. I have also heard similar statements while I was stationed in Europe too.

I have been stationed all over the world and the US definitely has more freedoms that are protected by our Constitution. Our system is not perfect but I don't want to live anywhere else.

And to answer the original question.

A FFL is required by federal law for anyone doing business selling or working on firearms, manufacturing ammunition or explosive, and importing firearms and/or ammunition. It is a license agreement between the license holder and the government to make sure laws are followed. It really is not much different than any other type of mandated license.

 

[Styx]

The numbers of firearms and laws in America vary greatly from state to state, it's no different in Canada. As it happens I live in a very gun friendly province ( Canadian state ) and am protected from federal seizure programs by laws introduced by the Saskatchewan government. They made those laws because they know what would happen should the feds attempt to confiscate firearms in Saskatchewan.

Exactly, firearms and laws very from state to state just like Canada, yet the number of gun owners and the number of guns per capita is much higher than in Canada. You have to worry about what the Feds might attempt to do. Because of our 2A, we have no such worries.

 

[Mick Boon]

Exactly, firearms and laws very from state to state just like Canada, yet the number of gun owners and the number of guns per capita is much higher than in Canada. You have to worry about what the Feds might attempt to do. Because of our 2A, we have no such worries.

I don't worry about what the feds might do for two reasons.. 1, I live in Saskatchewan, and 2, They have already shown themselves to be totally powerless.

 

[Styx]

I quote lilguy.

I live in the US and have had to carry a firearms license for 52 years. Its called a
FOID card. In Illinois you must have one or you will be charged with unlawful use of a weapon if caught.

How come the ID laws have not been challenged then ? If you don't have the piece of paper in certain states you lose your guns apparently.

You don't lose any rights. The FOID card, as I understand it, is basically a (IIRC) $10 USD card that those who are a resident of the state of Illinois must apply for before purchasing a firearm. That card last for 10 years I believe. As far as I know, no one is coming and raiding people's home to take their firearms if the card expires and is not renewed in time. Thanks to our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, the constitutionality of the Illinois FOID card scheme is currently working its way through the court system.

 

[Mick Boon]

double post

 

[Styx]

I don't worry about what the feds might do for two reasons.. 1, I live in Saskatchewan, and 2, They have already shown themselves to be totally powerless.

And if the legislature and political environment of Saskatchewan changes, then what's projecting you from the Feds?

Here in America, we've had states that were once solid pro gun states that slowly over the years turned into antigun states. The 2A stopped them and the Feds from taking any guns or enacting crazy gun laws. You have no such protections.

 

[Mick Boon]

You don't lose any rights. The FOID card, as I understand it, is basically a (IIRC) $10 USD card that those who are a resident of the state of Illinois must apply for before purchasing a firearm. That card last for 10 years I believe. As far as I know, no one is coming and raiding people's home to take their firearms if the card expires and is not renewed in time. That's to our Constitution and the 2nd Amendment, the constitutionality of the Illinois FOID card scheme is currently working its way through the court system.

You are very welcome to your constitution.

 

[Mick Boon]

And if the legislature and political environment of Saskatchewan changes, then what's projecting you from the Feds?

The political environment in Saskatchewan will never change. Saskatchewan is the only Canadian province with no Liberal MP., they don't even bother trying to get elected here.

I don't often make political predictions, but I would bet my bottom dollar that the Liberals will soon be gone, it seems like everyone in Canada hates Trudeau, and the conservatives have promised to reverse all the Liberal gun regulations

 

[AlexanderA]

What do we need a Second Amendment for exactly ?

They can pass laws till the cows come home for all I care, I will not surrender my guns to anyone. I will own them till the day I die.

From this, it appears that the gun attitude in Canada is similar to that in Greece and much of the rest of southern and eastern Europe. That is, highly restrictive laws are passed and then are ignored by those who want their guns.

This has the effect of driving the gun culture underground. People don't talk about their guns.

In the U.S., guns are above ground. In fact, they're a prime subject of public debate. You don't find that elsewhere.

 

[Styx]

The political environment in Saskatchewan will never change. Saskatchewan is the only Canadian province with no Liberal MP., they don't even bother trying to get elected here.

I don't often make political predictions, but I would bet my bottom dollar that the Liberals will soon be gone, it seems like everyone in Canada hates Trudeau, and the conservatives have promised to reverse all the Liberal gun regulations

Unless you have a crystal ball and can see the future, never say never. History has proven that things can always change. There are things I NEVER thought I'd see happen in the United States in a billion years before Corona, and sure enough, I was proven wrong. There's always a threat and possibly that something may happen. We are all a disaster or mass murder away from the majority willingly given up rights for the sake of the better good and security. You can deny that fact and possibly, but it has happened everywhere throughout history.

The Second Amendment makes it extremely difficult for states, the federal government, the court system, and even the simple majority of citizens to vote ban guns. It's a fail safe should the Saskatchewan like states in America ever did turn antigun.

 

[Mick Boon]

From this, it appears that the gun attitude in Canada is similar to that in Greece and much of the rest of southern and eastern Europe. That is, highly restrictive laws are passed and then are ignored by those who want their guns.

This has the effect of driving the gun culture underground. People don't talk about their guns.

In the U.S., guns are above ground. In fact, they're a prime subject of public debate. You don't find that elsewhere.

I openly advertise that I have guns, I have my own gun range, I don't try to hide it and have no need to.

You obviously know nothing about Saskatchewan or Alberta and others LOL

 

[Mick Boon]

Unless you have a crystal ball and can see the future, never say never. History has proven that things can always change. There are things I NEVER thought I'd see happen in the United States in a billion years before Corona, and sure enough, I was proven wrong. There's always a threat and possibly that something may happen. We are all a disaster or mass murder away from the majority willingly given up rights for the sake of the better good and security. You can deny that fact and possibly, but it has happened everywhere throughout history.

The Second Amendment makes it extremely difficult for states, the federal government, the court system, and even the simple majority of citizens to vote ban guns. It's a fail safe should the Saskatchewan like states in America ever did turn antigun.

As I said before, you are very welcome to your constitution and amendments. I hope it gives you endless pleasure.

 

[Styx]

As I said before, you are very welcome to your constitution and amendments. I hope it gives you endless pleasure.

It will and has. I have a question though. Are there any provinces in Canada that are abiding by the Federal ban? Can you also carry a handgun concealed in your province and can they in all other parts of Canada?

 

[Mick Boon]

It will and has. I have a question though. Are there any provinces in Canada that are abiding by the Federal ban?

None that I am aware of.

 

[Styx]

None that I am aware of.

So all importers and firearm dealers are still selling the same banned firearms to the public throughout Canada? None have stopped selling handguns and some of the other restricted firearms? I did notice the absence of handguns on the website you cited and other Canadian gun websites.

Can you also carry a handgun concealed in your province and can they in all other parts of Canada?

 

[Jim Watson]

Gunboards are full of posts about statist US politicians and bureaucrats putting in new restrictions as fast as the courts can knock them down.
Faster, California for example.

 

[Frank Ettin]

Enough.