What to carry that requires twice daily administrative handling?

[ATLDave]

Most external extractor guns tolerate this fine. Internal extractor 1911’s don’t.

 

[Tallball]

Yeah, a revolver with moon clips is perfect for this situation.

 

[bk42261]

If you just "kept your mouth shut" what is the law in your State about your employer randomly searching vehicles? If they check EVERY vehicle EVERY day, I suppose you learn to live with it, but it doesn't seem to me that it would be LEGAL for them to randomly search vehicles. (I understand that this is easy for me to say without MY job on the line, but just doesn't seem LEGAL to me.)

 

[fordtrucks]

Any semi-auto, unloaded, magazine either in the gun or out of it depending on how you read their rules.

Just keep that one gun for the work a day car.

If you MUST stop on way to-from work, just plan ahead and adapt and overcome.

 

[fordtrucks]

Or heck, just get a lcr 9.

Moon clips. 9mm. Lots of options. Lots to love.

Pocketable if you need, etc.

keep it in a pocket holster to slip in/out pocket and just to keep the trigger covered.

Then you’ll suddenly need the laser grips, more moon clips, different grips for different days and/range preference, extra range time, you’ll wonder what you ever did without it, and you’ll want another holster or 5, suddenly you’ll be carrying it every day, ..........

Yeh, I think lcr 9 would work for you.

 

[rpenmanparker]

"in a car even a gun carried on your person is not going to be quickly drawn and fired...." Wow, that assumes an awful lot. Why would you even carry a gun if you believe it's not going to help you. I had a job for a few years where I was driving brand new Cadillac and Lincoln limos through some very bad parts of town every day and I was told by my employer that every time I stopped at a light or a stop sign to be VERY aware of individuals waiting to jerk your door open and yank you out of the vehicle. After only a week I could clearly see that they were not kidding. I would stop at an intersection and look around and sure enough they were at least 7 or 8 guys giving me a VERY hard look. I wore a cross draw rig and learned that any time I was stopped to keep my hand on that gun (in the holster) and keep my head on a swivel and scan. I don't think that moon clips are really necessary on a carry gun. On a race gun, you better believe they are.

I never said the gun wasn't going to help you. I said it wasn't going to be used in a quick draw situation. Racking the slide to chamber the first round isn't going to impose any significant additional delay on getting the gun into the action compared to the other challenges of drawing a gun in an automobile.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Since the risk here seems to be getting fired and not getting charged for a criminal offence, I'd probably just keep the gun locked in my vehicle and not worry about if it's unloaded or not. I wouldn't bother with the forms and signoff's either and just keep my mouth shut. The risk of getting caught seems low here. But that's me.

Otherwise, I think the suggestion of a revolver with moonclips is the best one.

Many industrial complexes reserve the right to search vehicles on entry or exit from the premises. Looking for contraband, drugs, stolen tools, etc. You may not like it, but it is a fact of industrial plant operation. If an unauthorized weapon were to be found in your car during a routine search, it would cost you your job. Ain't worth it.

Condition 3 and just fuhgeddaboudit.

 

[rpenmanparker]

If you just "kept your mouth shut" what is the law in your State about your employer randomly searching vehicles? If they check EVERY vehicle EVERY day, I suppose you learn to live with it, but it doesn't seem to me that it would be LEGAL for them to randomly search vehicles. (I understand that this is easy for me to say without MY job on the line, but just doesn't seem LEGAL to me.)

It's legal in most states if not all. One accedes to the search as a condition of employment. Even if they are only supposed to be looking for drugs, it is within their rights to do it.

 

[roscoe]

Why are you unholstering the pistol? Keep it in an slim IWB clip holster and just remove the whole rig.

 

[Zaydok Allen]

Why are you unholstering the pistol? Keep it in an slim IWB clip holster and just remove the whole rig.

Because he needs to keep it unloaded to be within the rules his employer imposes. Unloading a holstered gun isn't real easy.

 

[jimbo555]

Another option, buy a keltec p32 and pocket carry it all day. No one will ever know it's there and they can search your car whenever they want.

 

[Hooda Thunkit]

Here in Okie-land, we managed to get a law passed, that allows us to have guns in locked vehicles while in employer parking lots.

While a parking lot is private property, so is a personal vehicle. We decided, and convinced the legislature, that prohibiting arms in a locked vehicle was tantamount to prohibiting us protecting ourselves traveling to and from.

Something for other states to work towards, perhaps.

 

[JN01]

Another view on bullet setback: http://dailycaller.com/2013/03/05/battered-bullets-does-bullet-setback-matter/

 

[Monty]

Here in Okie-land, we managed to get a law passed, that allows us to have guns in locked vehicles while in employer parking lots.

While a parking lot is private property, so is a personal vehicle. We decided, and convinced the legislature, that prohibiting arms in a locked vehicle was tantamount to prohibiting us protecting ourselves traveling to and from.

Something for other states to work towards, perhaps.

WV has the same law, it's great. Only exemption is those who park on Federal property. Out of sight and locked vehicle is the only requirement.

 

[bassjam]

Many industrial complexes reserve the right to search vehicles on entry or exit from the premises. Looking for contraband, drugs, stolen tools, etc. You may not like it, but it is a fact of industrial plant operation. If an unauthorized weapon were to be found in your car during a routine search, it would cost you your job. Ain't worth it.

Condition 3 and just fuhgeddaboudit.

I've visited many of those industrial complexes for my job, I've had my laptop bag checked countless times upon leaving. I've only had my car "searched" twice, which amounted to looking in the back seat through the window and not even bothering with the trunk of my rental. Unless the company was known for doing random thorough vehicle checks I'd still just keep a small gun loaded in a handgun safe. The daily loading/unloading routine just wouldn't be worth it.

I'd keep a can of pepper spray on me before carrying in Condition 3.

 

[rpenmanparker]

I've visited many of those industrial complexes for my job, I've had my laptop bag checked countless times upon leaving. I've only had my car "searched" twice, which amounted to looking in the back seat through the window and not even bothering with the trunk of my rental. Unless the company was known for doing random thorough vehicle checks I'd still just keep a small gun loaded in a handgun safe. The daily loading/unloading routine just wouldn't be worth it.

The much maligned condition 3 is actually insignificantly different from condition 1 when the draw time is greater than the rack time. That is what we have here.

 

[FL-NC]

The moon clip idea I guess makes the most sense. As for me, as long as the employer isn't searching my car- I'll just stop there.

 

[jr_watkins]

Another vote for empty chamber carry in a holster with mount for inside the car. Full mag at the ready, deploys in a second and you are still following the rules of your employer. No fiddling with bullets or speed-loaders multiple times a day.

 

[WYO]

I would not carry a semi-auto with an empty chamber. It's even worse if the gun is carried sometimes chambered and sometimes not chambered. The chance of a mix-up at the wrong time is too great.

If the OP does not want to buy a new gun right away, one possibility is use of a Zacchaeus type trigger guard cover holster. https://dalefrickeholsters.com/product/zacchaeus-concealment-holster/ This allows the gun to be administratively loaded and unloaded with the trigger guard area secured, and the gadget can be set up to allow the gun to be drawn from its place in the vehicle one handed. I would throw the chamber rounds in a practice bin after a few times rechambering.

Here is one that I have.

 

[Walkalong]

Since the risk here seems to be getting fired and not getting charged for a criminal offence, I'd probably just keep the gun locked in my vehicle and not worry about if it's unloaded or not. I wouldn't bother with the forms and signoff's either and just keep my mouth shut. The risk of getting caught seems low here. But that's me.

Otherwise, I think the suggestion of a revolver with moonclips is the best one.

This is what I did for decades until Alabama passed legislation that allowed me to do it legally. I knew the chance of getting caught was slim to none if I kept my mouth shut. At one point in time I "know" the head of security (Now gone for stupidity) "knew" I kept one in the vehicle, he just never asked me outright, and I never admitted it. The new head of security definitely knows, but I have the law on my side now, and she couldn't care less anyway. We have both done show and tell on range day. "Hey, come here and see what I got today".

But only you can decide if the risk is worth it, and it sounds like no, so you take the small (Should be infinitesimal) risk of loading/unloading, keep an empty chamber, or you switch to a revolver. Improvise, adapt, overcome.

 

[Varminterror]

The much maligned condition 3 is actually insignificantly different from condition 1 when the draw time is greater than the rack time. That is what we have here.

Non-sequitur argument here.

It’s well documented the “Israeli draw” takes longer than a Condition 1 draw. The “draw time” is made up of a series of sequential steps, and ADDING the step of charging the chamber does indeed ADD to that time.

The additional time is one consideration, but possibly more prevalent is the fact you are introducing the opportunity for manipulation failure or equipment malfunction - or one causing the other - during the charging cycle.

Personally, I live in a State which protects my right to defend myself within my private property, and my vehicle, even in a privately owned parking lot, is an extension of my property, so this doesn’t affect me much. But, the risk of bullet set back described in this thread is mostly fearmongering by inexperienced folks who haven’t lived it. I do administrative unloads every night, and reload every morning, as we have thoroughly discussed here in the past, and I do not incur setback in my G19, P365, or LCP’s. I reload every night and unload every morning my SiCo Maxim 9 - also have not yet seen any setback. It IS an opportunity, but it also IS easily monitored and managed.

 

[ATLDave]

Non-sequitur argument here.

It’s well documented the “Israeli draw” takes longer than a Condition 1 draw. The “draw time” is made up of a series of sequential steps, and ADDING the step of charging the chamber does indeed ADD to that time.

Hard to believe that anyone could doubt that. I mean, I guess someone could have a draw stroke that is so fouled up that throwing in a slide-racking doesn't matter, but...

 

[Walkalong]

Meh, I carry an empty chamber a lot, and all the naysayers and doom and gloom folks don't bother me. If it kills me someday, so be it.

It adds time, no way around it.

 

[ATLDave]

I have also chosen at times to carry with an empty chamber. Example: at a family gathering in a park where there is enough rough-housing for there to be a chance that one of the kids will run up and grab me. I don't want there to be any chance of a gun going off if they happen to grab the gun and somehow get it free of the holster. I want to think I would never allow that to happen, but freak events occur.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

IMO and only my opinion, just keep the gun in your car and keep your mouth shut.

It seems loading and unloading every day adds needless risk and if someone sees you doing it who doesn't know the rules you will be reported. I would not do all the paperwork because that only serves to put you on their radar. The risk, like already said, is minimal to none if you stay quiet and tell no one. A piece of paper changes nothing safety wise and only gives the bosses a reason to stop promoting you.