What to carry that requires twice daily administrative handling?

[straightshooterjake]

Another choice would be a Beretta with a tip up barrel, like a Tpmcat or an 86, to eliminate the set back issue

I don't want to be off topic here, but the tip up barrel Beretta pistols have been mentioned before in this thread, and they are worth a comment. The tip up barrel Beretta pistols do not have an extractor, and as a result, they have a very strange manual of arms. The only way to remove a live round from the chamber is to tip the barrel up. You cannot clear the pistol by racking the slide, since there is no extractor to pull the round out.

If you get a misfire, you cannot do a tap, rack drill to clear it. You must tip the barrel up. If you rack the slide with brass in the chamber, the pistol will double feed every time.

Overall, I am not a fan of the tip up barrels for any serious use. However, there can be exceptions where they do make sense. But if you want to use one, you need to retrain for a manual of arms that works with the tip up barrels. If you are trained for "tap, rack, bang" in response to malfunctions, then you must untrain that.

Again, for most purposes, I am not a fan. The little .22 tip up is fun at the range though.

 

[Labguy47]

Alcohol on site, even locked in your car meant instant dismissal. Illegal drugs the same. Firearms the same. Ammo the same. .

Chicago .

Thank god I live in Florida which has castle doctrine. Your vehicle is an extension of your home.
Any search by a company would be illegal and open them up to a lawsuit for an amendment violation.

Chicago one word that explains it all!

 

[rpenmanparker]

Thank god I live in Florida which has castle doctrine. Your vehicle is an extension of your home.
Any search by a company would be illegal and open them up to a lawsuit for an amendment violation.

Chicago one word that explains it all!

Where did Chicago come from in your logic? I don’t live there. Never have.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Thank god I live in Florida which has castle doctrine. Your vehicle is an extension of your home.
Any search by a company would be illegal and open them up to a lawsuit for an amendment violation.

Chicago one word that explains it all!

Are you saying that inspection of your car cannot be a condition of employment in Florida? Are you sure?

 

[Varminterror]

Are you saying that inspection of your car cannot be a condition of employment in Florida? Are you sure?

Understand the law in Florida before you let yourself be so publicly indignant.

FL Stat. 790.251(5) protects lawful storage of firearms within personal conveyances - vehicles.

Many states have such laws, and all precedent cases have supported that private enterprises cannot prevent storage and/or transport of firearms within the owner’s vehicle. So while it might be legal for the company to search your vehicle by policy, they cannot enforce a policy preventing storage of a firearm in the vehicle, or punitive action if an employee is found to be doing so. My company even has a standard card they offer all employees to be inserted with your vehicle-stored firearm, as a reminder to any parking enforcement staff who might get a little too zealous about a policy they don’t fully understand. We have a global policy, but have operating sites in many states which have laws precluding the corporate policy - so the company supports the state laws, and does not pretend to supersede them.

 

[cslinger]

Depends on the state. Many states specifically protect an employees privacy in regards to their car/belongings.

In your case I’d definitely go revolver/moon clips. Mostly as an excuse to get a new gun but I doubt I would put up with the hassle of carrying / filling out forms etc.

Heck I might just park off their property if possible less about the weapon but more about stupid stuff like the wine / alcohol thing. I have worked in large, professional, national/international organizations all my life and have never heard of anything near as invasive as you describe. We all take the pros and cons with our jobs. If you are willing to take your pros I guess you gotta play by their rules as nutty as they seem to most of us.

Hell in many cases a case of beer or a bottle of wine or bourbon is exactly the right thank you for a job well done in the world I have been in.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Understand the law in Florida before you let yourself be so publicly indignant.

FL Stat. 790.251(5) protects lawful storage of firearms within personal conveyances - vehicles.

Many states have such laws, and all precedent cases have supported that private enterprises cannot prevent storage and/or transport of firearms within the owner’s vehicle. So while it might be legal for the company to search your vehicle by policy, they cannot enforce a policy preventing storage of a firearm in the vehicle, or punitive action if an employee is found to be doing so. My company even has a standard card they offer all employees to be inserted with your vehicle-stored firearm, as a reminder to any parking enforcement staff who might get a little too zealous about a policy they don’t fully understand. We have a global policy, but have operating sites in many states which have laws precluding the corporate policy - so the company supports the state laws, and does not pretend to supersede them.

I was not publicly indignant. I was questioning a statement for further assurance, which you provided. Is it not okay to ask someone, “Are you sure sbout that in all cases?” Well at least we know the answer now. Thanks.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Depends on the state. Many states specifically protect an employees privacy in regards to their car/belongings.

In your case I’d definitely go revolver/moon clips. Mostly as an excuse to get a new gun but I doubt I would put up with the hassle of carrying / filling out forms etc.

Heck I might just park off their property if possible less about the weapon but more about stupid stuff like the wine / alcohol thing. I have worked in large, professional, national/international organizations all my life and have never heard of anything near as invasive as you describe. We all take the pros and cons with our jobs. If you are willing to take your pros I guess you gotta play by their rules as nutty as they seem to most of us.

Hell in many cases a case of beer or a bottle of wine or bourbon is exactly the right thank you for a job well done in the world I have been in.

Throughout the entire chemical and petroleum industries alcoholic beverages on premises are strictly forbidden.

 

[Labguy47]

Are you saying that inspection of your car cannot be a condition of employment in Florida? Are you sure?

Yes, I’m absolutely sure. It went to court when a guard at Disney world searched an employees car because he had a ccw liscence. He was terminated and took Disney to court. The court ruled your car is an extension of your home and thus protected from a company or police search under the constitution, unless court ordered. He got millions from Disney.

 

[rpenmanparker]

Yes, I’m absolutely sure. It went to court when a guard at Disney world searched an employees car because he had a ccw liscence. He was terminated and took Disney to court. The court ruled your car is an extension of your home and thus protected from a company or police search under the constitution, unless court ordered. He got millions from Disney.

Thanks. Good to know.

 

[BlueHeelerFl]

Yes, I’m absolutely sure. It went to court when a guard at Disney world searched an employees car because he had a ccw liscence. He was terminated and took Disney to court. The court ruled your car is an extension of your home and thus protected from a company or police search under the constitution, unless court ordered. He got millions from Disney.

Yes that is good to know. I actually had a post in legal about a similar issue

 

[Varminterror]

I have heard/read the Disney anecdote a handful of times, but I haven’t yet seen any news reporting on the case. Anyone have a link? What I expect is a common problem with most folklore - it sounds logical, so it gets propogated. I expect the root is actually a case at Universal -not Disney, where an employee reported his firearm stolen from his parked car, after which the park terminated him. He did sue, and by all accounts, the only end result was that he got his job back, not “millions.” There ARE news stories readily found about a Disney employee who was fired - no lawsuit thereafter, I have been able to find - for carrying on Disney property while off duty. He knew he couldn’t carry while at work, but didn’t see any signs, and claimed ignorance to policy prohibiting patrons from carrying. A patron would have been asked to leave, but he was also terminated, since he was a patron/employee. So I expect these two stories were blended in the minds of those recounting them, and of course, a few details were muddled in translation.

But the fact remains, many states have passed law to consider a personal vehicle as an extension of the home, or NEARLY such. Some states do require the firearm unloaded and/or locked away within a vehicle - which isn’t a requirement within the home.

I have the luxury of NOT living in one of the states which are so ambivalent to citizens’ rights. I’ve made decisions in my life to NOT accept positions which would take me to such locations.

 

[rskent]

If you own it, I have no qualms.

It’s the delusional folks who lie to themselves and others by claiming it’s just as fast...

And that they have the ninja skills to draw and rack the slide one handed quickly while they protect their face with their other hand. If I was that good I wouldn’t need a gun.

 

[rskent]

Yes, I’m absolutely sure. It went to court when a guard at Disney world searched an employees car because he had a ccw liscence. He was terminated and took Disney to court. The court ruled your car is an extension of your home and thus protected from a company or police search under the constitution, unless court ordered. He got millions from Disney.

I don’t believe this at all.

As a condition of employment where I work, the company has the right to inspect my vehicle.

Their job, their rules. However, since we are in Florida, if they find a gun in my locked vehicle and I have a valid CCW I am protected from any disciplinary action. Florida has long considered your vehicle as an extension of you home. However, your home is parked on someone else’s property.

No one, at least where I work is going to be looking in anyone’s vehicle for drugs or guns. The only searches I have ever seen or heard of, were for company property. The person getting fired, allowing a search to avoid police intervention. It seems that getting fired is better than getting fired and prosecuted.

 

[Labguy47]

I don’t believe this at all.

I’m not an attorney but I think you should ask one about the ramifications of such an act. It will surprise you.

 

[rskent]

Oops!

 

[Walkalong]

And that they have the ninja skills to draw and rack the slide one handed quickly while they protect their face with their other hand.

When I was a young man, and very quick, I used to carry a full sized 1911 cross draw stuck in my belt under a coat. I would reach for the gun with my right hand, pull the coat back with my left, as the gun cleared my belt the left hand would move to the slide and have it racked before the gun was on target. I practiced it a lot, and was fast, but it still slows you down and takes two hands. Change the gun to a holster on my right side and it slows it down even more vs starting with a round chambered/hammer cocked, safety on. Often times I carried in condition 1, but not always.

 

[HB]

I tell people i work with that “gun violence” needs to be regulated and that guns make me uncomfortable.

 

[rpenmanparker]

When I was a young man, and very quick, I used to carry a full sized 1911 cross draw stuck in my belt under a coat. I would reach for the gun with my right hand, pull the coat back with my left, as the gun cleared my belt the left hand would move to the slide and have it racked before the gun was on target. I practiced it a lot, and was fast, but it still slows you down and takes two hands. Change the gun to a holster on my right side and it slows it down even more vs starting with a round chambered/hammer cocked, safety on. Often times I carried in condition 1, but not always.

What you are saying is exactly right except for one thing, it is not at all the situation in an automobile.

 

[George P]

The current site manager (Construction group) has an absolute no weapons policy (to include pocket knives, leathermen, etc) and can and does do random vehicle searches.

I spent many years of my career in construction management; work knives, and especially leatherman-type tools, were a daily necessity. Now, a 12" Bowie knife would be considered something out of bounds.......These projects were in places like TX, CO, ND, NV, etc.

 

[OneFreeTexan]

(Totally off topic, but funny)
Years ago a guy worked in a factory, and every day at closing time , he woiuld leave with a wheelbarrow full fo sand,, they security guards would sift through the sand, but never found anything... Every day this happened...Finally the guy retired and I met him for coffee. I asked him what he was doing...”Stealing wheelbarrows”. And that is how Home Depot got it’s start.

 

[rskent]

When I was a young man, and very quick, I used to carry a full sized 1911 cross draw stuck in my belt under a coat. I would reach for the gun with my right hand, pull the coat back with my left, as the gun cleared my belt the left hand would move to the slide and have it racked before the gun was on target. I practiced it a lot, and was fast, but it still slows you down and takes two hands.

I don’t think I was ever fast, and I’m sure as heck not now. But I believe for me drawing a pistol needs to be a one handed thing. Just me, I guess.

 

[WheelGunMan]

Interestng thread. Getting back to the original post inquiry....my vote is for a compact revolver in a 9mm with moon clips is the ideal choice for quick loading and unloading.

 

[Doc7]

The Ruger 9mm LCR piqued my interest today!

 

[rpenmanparker]

The Ruger 9mm LCR piqued my interest today!

Nice little gun. You may have found a good one and solved your problem. Not only that, but you also spelled "piqued" correctly. Now that is real cause for celebration. Winner, winner, chicken dinner!