You still don't understand what you are talking about. You are bringing more than a few dispelled myths out such as the "shotgun racking" idiocy.
I use a shotgun with slugs for HD because I have interior brick walls. If they were normal wood and paper I wood use an AR in .223 with fragmenting bullets. This would be much safer than slugs or buckshot going through my walls.
But what about us who just have regular, Drywall? And the Box O Truth didn't seem to think that 00 Buckshot overpenetrated to much.
I can't think of good use for twinkies and cupcakes either, how about those arcaic blackpowder guns, That 9mm hi capacity pistol doesn't seem to serve any GOOD purpose either. Maybe the same can be said for traps, bows and arrows, and even fish hooks.
Your to angry and... something else to be taken seriously at the moment. Seriously, if I'm living in a society where questions are to be treated with hostility then maybe your the Ivan?
Hunting rifles serve no real useful purpose either. You can buy meat at the grocery store for crying out loud.
Careful, X-Rap probably thinks your a communist by now!
Hunting is a heck of a lot better than buying meat. You either get fat, at 5.99 a pound from Wally-World or pure lean meat that you killed yourself and processed yourself.
Expensive compared to what? You can get a generic AR in the $600-$700 range (momentary panic buying notwithstanding).
Compared to Century AK's made of stamped sheet metal assembled by monkeys? Yeah, it's probably more expensive than that. Not that AK's cannot be made entirely reliable, but a quality AK is going to run in the $1000 range or so. Think Arsenal etc.
As for the feel, it's a very light rifle. If you want something that feels heavy they are out there, mostly with wood stocks. Nothing wrong with that but just because the AR's are light weight doesn't mean much.
They are designed to be carried around, everywhere. Lug one around for several days and you will be grateful for that light weight
Don't get me wrong, I'm not an AR fan boy. I prefer things in .308 most of the time, but the AR is a fine design that has stood the test of time better than most. Blowing it off entirely is simply shallow thinking.
That's something that AK fans have me questioning. They brag all day long about how they only paid $599 for their Romy AK, but really? It's made with parts deemed unsuitable for the Romanian military. Most other AK's are either knock-offs or decades old hand-me-downs. At $500+ you could probably do better utility-wise with a Mini-30 or a lever-gun.
The light-weight on AR's are nice. Like I said, plenty weigh around 5 pounds (someone makes a 4.5 pound AR I hear?).
And again I'm not trying to hate on the AR, or blow it off. I'm just trying to understand it. If that's to much to ask, then X-Rap is probably frothing mad at the Comy world were living in
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All I've heard so far in a nutshell is "if it can't be used to hunt in stock form, then it isn't that useful."
Well, it can't be LEGALLY used to hunt with, but that doesn't stop people with 9mm pistols and .22 rifles from poaching or otherwise hunting illegally. The .223 will drop a deer no problem. Just don't get caught.
Yeah, that's not something I think we need to be associating ourselves with... we already get enough hell from anti-gun nuts. We don't need to be advocating something illegal.
yesit'sloaded said:
R 15 (AR10 actually) bear hunting:
Remington AR in .243 :
Walnut if you're into wood :
That's more reasonable. AR-10's and other larger caliber AR's are certainly good hunters. I've never seen a .308 fail to take deer (or bear, or moose, or... well there isn't a lot a .308 can't take down).
And finally, some people buy them for professional reasons having little or nothing to do with the above. Some of us buy them because we occasionally are paid to carry guns and/or train other individuals to use guns, and our clients prefer to see their part-time "bodyguard" with an AR -- more "official" and paramilitary-looking than an AK, to them -- and to be instructed on an "M16". Some buy them because they like to practice with their military issue weapons before or in between periods of active military duty. That's why some of us purchase Beretta 92FS pistols and AR-pattern rifles and carbines, and practice with them using ball ammunition in military shooting positions.
Professionals, even private citizens like body-guards and PMC's, certainly will find a use for an AR-15. Like I said, the 5.56x45 doesn't have problem with people (and walls). If it did, a lot of Iraqis, Vietnamese, and British Troops in North Ireland would be walking around today. And if your walking in the open at the flank of someone, I imagine anyone trying to harm that someone would skip a heartbeat at the sight on an AR-15.
It's the utility, IE non-LEO/Mil/contractor purposes I was having questions about. Two of the guys on page 1 told me what I wanted to know regarding hunting. Apparently the 64 and up bullets are powerful enough to be legal and hence many states reversed their stance on it as a hunting cartridge.
