Whats the best lie you had a gun seller tell you

[two gun charlie]

that a norinco ar is just as good as a COLT , I had a very hard time keeping a straight face

 

[Ledgehammer]

As far as I understand it, that is exactly what Taurus and Stoeger did. The difference is not in the physical size and shape of the individual components, but the metallurgy of the components.

It's still a copy. It's not like gun companies need to have specific machines to make a line of guns. I bet every gun factory in the world has about 99% of the same equipment. Let alone if they bought used equipment had it removed and then shipped across the globe would be a waste. Benelli puts out stoeger shotguns. I haven't seen anything in writing to confirm Taurus or Stoeger are making beretta guns on beretta equipment.

Gun mfr copy each other all the time. Look at keltec and ruger. They didn't need to buy keltec equipment to do it. I think it's urban legend until I see it in writing. I think I may have seen something regarding stoeger and beretta. Definitely not Taurus though.

 

[Ledgehammer]

I stand corrected. I just read this from Taurususa website. Do'h!

Beretta had won a huge contract in 1974 to produce small arms for the army of Brazil. Part of the deal was that Beretta construct a Brazilian factory and use Brazilian labor. This they did, in the southwestern coastal city of Sao Paulo. When the contract ran out in 1980, Beretta sold the plant, literally "lock, stock and barrel," to Taurus. Taurus now owned everything that once belonged to Beretta, including drawings, tooling, machinery, and a very experienced work force. Taurus was in the pistol business, and immediately sought to improve on the Beretta design, resulting in the popular and acclaimed Taurus PT-92 and PT-99 9mm pistols.

 

[Shadow 7D]

Ledgehammer
BOTH the Stoeger line and the original Taurus line are Beretta equipment, set up by Beretta.

THEY are built on Beretta's machine, by Beretta trained tech.....
so they are a BIT more than copies, unless you consider license built mere knock offs

That's like saying all AR's are just copies of armalite.

 

[regularjoe]

"Plastic is better than steel."

 

[jmstevens2]

They may have been telling the truth.
Last Feburary, a customer asked me to order him a Walther P38 from Southern Ohio Gun (not exactly a small outfit). He wanted the P38 with certain markings and grips. I called four times a day for two solid weeks, sent several emails and to this day I've never received a response from SOG. I understand how busy some internet suppliers get, but this was ridiculous.

I pick up ammo there regularly, not big by any means.

 

[Oxide]

That Cutts Compensator on that Model 12 is FACTORY and INCREASES the value of the gun!

 

[Trent]

"That there is a Chinese 75 round drum"

"What you want for it?"

"80 bucks"

"Sold."

(It was a rare Norinco 100 round backloader!)

But he lied to me.

 

[Trent]

A friend of mine bought a Taurus pt92. I said oh that's a beretta copy right? He says no. It is a beretta. The guy at the gun show told me Taurus bought all the beretta machines and moved them to brazil. So it really is a beretta. Oh ok... Could of sworn I heard the same story about stoeger and moving the machines to turkey.

Yeah, they're clones.

But I'll tell you one thing. Those PT92's are GOOD friggin' clones.

Wear one at the office.

(Although I always get that "nickle plated sissy pistol" line in my head whenever I holster it, you know, from "US Marshals")

 

[Duckingit88]

I walked into a gun store and was just browsing around and he tried to convince me that CZ made the best bolt action rifle on the planet. I am not disputing his claim that is his opinion. Where the lie started was when he said . CZ bolts are machined so tight that you have to have special oil for them one drop of standard rem oil on the bolt and it will create to much friction and the bolt will not open. Then he tried to sell me some of the brand oil that would allow the bolt to open. .......


My CZ bolt gun works just fine with any type of oil. I didnt argue with him or say anything ...I just let his stupidity entertain me for a while.

 

[pikid89]

Stoeger are making beretta guns on beretta equipment.

Stoeger is owned by Benelli, and Benelli is owned by Beretta...so yeah Stoeger is technically making beretta guns on beretta equipment

 

[gocards]

Don't worry, this Remington 700 was made WAY after they had the problem with their safeties, and this has the new, safer version. Last gun I will ever buy from DAM ROAD GUN SHOP, WISCONSIN.

 

[MikeNice]

Stoeger is owned by Benelli, and Benelli is owned by Beretta...so yeah Stoeger is technically making beretta guns on beretta equipment

Beretta actually sent the original Cougar machines to Stoeger. So, it really is made on an actual Beretta machine.

 

[edman79]

I'll jump. When I first moved to Florida, I knew almost nothing about guns, coming from NYC and all. So I decided to go into a gun store and ask them what's good for a beginner like me. And the dude told me that the best gun for a beginner was a Luger, which he just happened to have and of course tried to unload on me.

Eddie Ed

 

[M-Cameron]

its funny......every time i look at a gun......i always ask them "so what kind of accuracy have people been getting out of these?"....

......its not because i dont already know........its because i have fun seeing what they tell me it is......


and every time....without fail.......the guns always shoot " far better than i am ever going to shoot"....or "these things are dead on"........i even got that response on a 2" snub nose revolver....

now either the salesmen have absolutely no confidence in my shooting ability.....or every gun they sell is match quality......

 

[Grey_Mana]

Plus he knows that you escalated this situation to life or death, and he knows where you are. It's a bad myth that increases your chance of getting shot by providing the "enemy" with valuable intelligence on your intentions, position and armament.

The only way I want the bad guy to know I am there is in that last small fraction of a second when he perceives the muzzle flash.

Is there any evidence that racking a shotgun has resulted in the Bad Guys shooting a Good Guy, ever? I'm not even looking for a citation, just someone willing to stake their honor on remembering having actually read about an actual incident.

Is there any evidence ever, that muzzle flash inside a US home has drawn fire from bad guys?

 

[TXSWFAN]

I was at the Dallas market hall show with my nib 4 screw S&W m29 looking for a display case for it. The same puny old man that always hits you up at the front when you come in says, "Hey, what do you have?". I tell him "just an old S&W". He says "Since it's so old, I'll give you $250". Now every time I go by his table, I tell the customers around it to be aware of the shyster.

 

[Quasimorte]

This thread is awsome. Thought I'd add in one time I heard about. I was in Wal-Mart looking at ammo when a couple was called back to the gun counter. The woman was buying a shotgun for her husband and both had come in and filled the paper work just to be covered. It looked like they had been wondering around a while waiting for something to come through. Any way the sales man said "I can't sell you this gun. Your too enthusiastic about it." I was trying not to laugh when she said this. The couple got pissed and just walked out at that point.

Now, I'm not faulting anybody for refusing to sell a gun but I'm sorry, your telling me when a dad brings his kid in to buy a gun the kid isn't enthusiastic about it?

 

[N003k]

Jeesh, I'm excited about pretty much every gun I buy...Heck, the other day I ended up flipping a coin in the gunshop to figure out whether to get an eotech or a CZ75...was pretty excited about both!

 

[BushyGuy]

that a SF Range Officer is as good as a Wilson Combat :banghead:

 

[guyfromohio]

"There's no such thing as a Glock 30SF.... condescending chuckle.....The SF is the 36 Slim Frame."

"Never buy a Glock from (competitor gun store) because they swap out the parts of the new ones with the police trades"

 

[CrashStitches]

Awesome thread. I've read several things about the B&S around here, and my experience with them was eye-opening as well. As in bugging out at the prices. I guess they're aptly named.

I see no need to step in there again.

 

[outdoorsman1]

I also have not read all the posts so sorry if this was mentioned...

Not related to actual firearms but I have personally been witness to a lot of wrong and miss-information being given out by a few different firearm stores and their employee's pertaining to Wisconsin’s new CCW Law.

Stuff like incorrect number of hours required for training, where and where not it would be legal to concel carry, wrong information on requirements neede to apply / obtain the license. As a member of a WI Carry group and having had some input throughout the process of getting the law passed, I actually do know the "facts" regarding the new law fairly well. As such, when customers were given wrong information (that could have ended up with them in jail or spending more money than necessary for training), I was happy to correct any miss-information and prove my assertions by referencing actual state statute numbers,

To be clear, I am in favor of getting the most (non-mandated) training one can afford, but when an employee says more training is "mandated" than really is, and there are training posters all over the store recomending "their classes", then I have a problem with that...

Outdoorsman1

 

[kenken]

That is kinda what I like about shows. Just listening to all the BS that rolls out so easy is amazing. Laughing at people. I guess that you could call me a people watcher. I like to watch people and their facial expressions and everything else. I went to a show this past weekend with a buddy of mine and we spotted us a group of elite 'mall snipers'. They were extremely tactical and would only look at tactical things. They were a hoot to watch and listen to. One really done all the talking, schooling the others.

Awesome,

kenken

 

[tnxdshooter]

otcconan - "Check out the Mossberg, action's sweet as silk. Then notice that the trapdoor to the magazine is missing."

Huh? I don't understand. I can't recall ever seeing a Mossy 500 series with a trapdoor under the action. AFAIK the Mossy's don't come with that feature.

Can anyone shed some light on this? Am I missing something?

They dont come with a trap door. Id say he was talking aboutthe elevator.


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