Has anyone been walking around for half a day and then realize their carry piece has been exposed all that time? What's the worst that can happen? Can stores toss you out, and restaurants refuse service? or has anyone screamed "A GUN!" right behind your back?
What's the worst that can happen when your CCW is printing?
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Bobo
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The laws in every state are different. What state are you concerned with? Possibly someone from that state could help. You could also check out www.packing.org/state .
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Judging from the comments and various posts that I have noticed, it'd seem that 'Retention' isn't as big concern for civilians as it is for uniformed LEOs.
Admitedly, I'm guilty as well.
salty.
Admitedly, I'm guilty as well.
salty.
Aguila Blanca
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Exposed is not "printing." Exposed is not concealed.
Printing is where the shape of the firearm can be discerned through the covering garment(s), but the firearm is still covered.
Pat Cannon
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The worst that could happen? Well...
A police officer or security guard might think you are in the act of robbing the store/bank/whatever, and open fire on you without warning, killing not only you but several innocent children behind you. Their parents, being terrorists who have just acquired nuclear weapons, in their grief and rage send out suicide bombers who incinerate New York City, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. Our military decides it was the Russians and launches a full strategic counterattack killing most of the population of the former Soviet Union. Their remaining strategic rocket forces vaporize several of our remaining large cities. Observing all this, the Galactic Safety Committee recommends sterilization of the Solar system, which is approved and implemented by the standard 50% antimatter conversion beam. Observing all this, the Metaverse Safety Committee deletes the timelines leading to the existence of our universe, and all universes containing anything resembling our species.
I think that would be bad.
A police officer or security guard might think you are in the act of robbing the store/bank/whatever, and open fire on you without warning, killing not only you but several innocent children behind you. Their parents, being terrorists who have just acquired nuclear weapons, in their grief and rage send out suicide bombers who incinerate New York City, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. Our military decides it was the Russians and launches a full strategic counterattack killing most of the population of the former Soviet Union. Their remaining strategic rocket forces vaporize several of our remaining large cities. Observing all this, the Galactic Safety Committee recommends sterilization of the Solar system, which is approved and implemented by the standard 50% antimatter conversion beam. Observing all this, the Metaverse Safety Committee deletes the timelines leading to the existence of our universe, and all universes containing anything resembling our species.
I think that would be bad.
Louisiana Carry
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Howdy, everyone!
This is my first post here.
Just thought that I would chime in on this one.
Personally, I wear a vest frequently that flashes my barrel sometimes. I am in Louisiana, so there really is no leagal reprocussions. It has happened that people get harassed by ignorant LEOs once in awhile, but not too often. Anyway, I call my method the I carry a gun and I could give a rat's ass if you see it or not method, or ICAGAICGARAIYSION for short. Hasn't given me any problems so far.
To the OP: yeah, depends on your state. Locate your state laws (here is a good place to start: http://findlaw.com) and READ them. Then you will know for yourself and won't have to rely on free advice from internet commandos.
This is my first post here.
Just thought that I would chime in on this one.
Personally, I wear a vest frequently that flashes my barrel sometimes. I am in Louisiana, so there really is no leagal reprocussions. It has happened that people get harassed by ignorant LEOs once in awhile, but not too often. Anyway, I call my method the I carry a gun and I could give a rat's ass if you see it or not method, or ICAGAICGARAIYSION for short. Hasn't given me any problems so far.
To the OP: yeah, depends on your state. Locate your state laws (here is a good place to start: http://findlaw.com) and READ them. Then you will know for yourself and won't have to rely on free advice from internet commandos.
Holy Crap Pat Cannon !!!!
Man, in one short paragraph you condensed the destruction of the universe from an innocent printing in a way that if you stop and think about it really does make sence! You've really opened my eyes to the possibilities of being careless about being "made". I know one thing, I will never be so casual about my clothing and cover from now on. The survival of all humanity could hang in the balance. LOL
Man, in one short paragraph you condensed the destruction of the universe from an innocent printing in a way that if you stop and think about it really does make sence! You've really opened my eyes to the possibilities of being careless about being "made". I know one thing, I will never be so casual about my clothing and cover from now on. The survival of all humanity could hang in the balance. LOL
Standing Wolf
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I carry openly about half the time, indifferently concealed most of the rest of the time. It really makes no difference how I carry, since I live in Colorado, an open carry state—with the exception of Denver, of course, which wants to be the San Francisco of the Rocky Mountains.
Eightball
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Pat, you owe me a new keyboard and monitor.
gunsmith
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it depends on State law
most people are to dumb to even see the elephant in the living room.
I've open carried and no one even noticed.
most people are to dumb to even see the elephant in the living room.
I've open carried and no one even noticed.
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God Bless Amerika
Surfed the net last night and this morning, seems that there are plenty of examples of anti-gunners in the form of Judges, Sheriffs and DA's who disregard constitutional AND municipal codes and go with their own "feel good" rulings and decisions. For Godsakes, who are we kidding trying to teach the world that WE know best. Where's Paul Revere to wake us up to arms (or at least vote these idiots out).
I live in NM, everyone carries concealed here, most of those are w/o a permit, it is after all JUST a misdermeanor to carry concealed w/o a permit (I have one though), just in case LEO sees a print in my pants or catches a glimpse as I open fanny pack.
Surfed the net last night and this morning, seems that there are plenty of examples of anti-gunners in the form of Judges, Sheriffs and DA's who disregard constitutional AND municipal codes and go with their own "feel good" rulings and decisions. For Godsakes, who are we kidding trying to teach the world that WE know best. Where's Paul Revere to wake us up to arms (or at least vote these idiots out).
I live in NM, everyone carries concealed here, most of those are w/o a permit, it is after all JUST a misdermeanor to carry concealed w/o a permit (I have one though), just in case LEO sees a print in my pants or catches a glimpse as I open fanny pack.
Don't Tread On Me
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I think most people blow the whole printing thing way out of proportion. I think one should work as hard as possible to create the best possible concealement, but gun owners get too paranoid. If you print a little, no one knows what you've got unless they've got a CCW too.
I've seen a few that I knew had a piece. Big deal. Most people aren't looking at your waist or your crotch AND at the same time pondering if you have a concealed pistol. Heck, most people don't even know you can get a concealed license to begin with. I run into folks like that almost daily. Huh? you mean you can get a license to carry a gun? - that's most of America.
Don't sweat it and don't stress over it too much. Carry your gun. It's better to carry and print a little or make a little buldge than it is to not carry. So long as the gun is covered you're ok. If it visibly exposed to where someone can see it, your still not in trouble, but that's not concealed and what the law says. I don't believe that is even brandishing as you aren't doing it in an act to use the gun for "muscle"....still, state laws vary. I doubt you'll get put in prison and the state will put forth a million dollar case against you to decide if printing was brandishing....
Use common sense, don't make a huge deal of it.
I've seen a few that I knew had a piece. Big deal. Most people aren't looking at your waist or your crotch AND at the same time pondering if you have a concealed pistol. Heck, most people don't even know you can get a concealed license to begin with. I run into folks like that almost daily. Huh? you mean you can get a license to carry a gun? - that's most of America.
Don't sweat it and don't stress over it too much. Carry your gun. It's better to carry and print a little or make a little buldge than it is to not carry. So long as the gun is covered you're ok. If it visibly exposed to where someone can see it, your still not in trouble, but that's not concealed and what the law says. I don't believe that is even brandishing as you aren't doing it in an act to use the gun for "muscle"....still, state laws vary. I doubt you'll get put in prison and the state will put forth a million dollar case against you to decide if printing was brandishing....
Use common sense, don't make a huge deal of it.
Sistema1927
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The nice thing about living in an open carry state, like New Mexico, is the fact that it really doesn't matter if you print or your shirt blows up, etc.
Law Enforcement officers in some less enlightened states might give you grief, but not here.
Law Enforcement officers in some less enlightened states might give you grief, but not here.
cbsbyte
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It depends on the severity of "printing", where you live and who sees it that will determine what happens. In Massachusetts it could easy be a cause for alarm, since if a police officer is notified by a bystander, he could arrest you for brandshing. This would mean you would loose your LTC A for a longtime.
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Yeah dude. Once you CCW long enough, concealed doesn't mean concealed anymore. Don't listen to these guys who will argue with you night and day about it. They either live in states where the gun laws are strange and awkward (e.g. states that allow CCW and yet no open carry), states that allow CCW and Open Carry but live in or near cities that do not care what the state says and therefore become traumatized victims of the "CCW PARANOIA" symdrome, or they're so unhappy with the shape of their bowling pin bodies that they have to wear jackets two sizes too large for them in the middle of summer (or in some cases, wear hawaiian shirts with pink flamingos on them).
Seriously though, you don't have to worry about it much at all from citizens or LEO's if they see something poking out against your shirt or jacket tail. Some of them do know when they see it. Some of them don't. Those that do don't care unless you're acting extremely shifty and lacking any sort of self confidence. If you think someone notices, smiling and eye contact will help.
I mean, yeah, there are unlikely scenarios to consider, such as if you're standing in line at a bank or a convenience store with an individual scanning the people to see who's armed and who's not before he decides to rob the place (see: "The Problem with Open Carry")...... but it's up to you to use your method of concealment with discretion. Get a good holster, one that suits your existing wardrobe, and don't worry about it unless you see trouble coming. And if you see trouble coming, shift the side of your body that your weapon is carried on away from the would-be threat so the chances of them seeing some sort of printing is reduced. And if you don't see trouble coming, then you're probably not going to have to worry about whether or not it's properly concealed or not.
But if your entire gun is showing because your shirt or jacket is flipped up over it... then yeah. It depends on your area. Most people will kindly point it out to you. But the biggest point to remember is that a gun in a holster is far more accepted than a gun just stuffed in your waist.
Seriously though, you don't have to worry about it much at all from citizens or LEO's if they see something poking out against your shirt or jacket tail. Some of them do know when they see it. Some of them don't. Those that do don't care unless you're acting extremely shifty and lacking any sort of self confidence. If you think someone notices, smiling and eye contact will help.
I mean, yeah, there are unlikely scenarios to consider, such as if you're standing in line at a bank or a convenience store with an individual scanning the people to see who's armed and who's not before he decides to rob the place (see: "The Problem with Open Carry")...... but it's up to you to use your method of concealment with discretion. Get a good holster, one that suits your existing wardrobe, and don't worry about it unless you see trouble coming. And if you see trouble coming, shift the side of your body that your weapon is carried on away from the would-be threat so the chances of them seeing some sort of printing is reduced. And if you don't see trouble coming, then you're probably not going to have to worry about whether or not it's properly concealed or not.
But if your entire gun is showing because your shirt or jacket is flipped up over it... then yeah. It depends on your area. Most people will kindly point it out to you. But the biggest point to remember is that a gun in a holster is far more accepted than a gun just stuffed in your waist.
armedpolak
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Here in South Florida
My neighbour is a cop, and one day I was picking up my mail, and had to reach to a mailbox close to the floor, and I KNOW I was pringing like hell (gun exposed on my back)! He passed right be me as I was getting up and realized the gun is visible, and as I was covering it, he looked me and smiled, and said "how are you?", I just smiled back and said "you're my new neighbor, nice to finally talk to you". He said nothing, I said nothing. BTW, no open carry in FL.
Other times, I printed a few times while in public places (Finace told me "you're printing
") Nobody else seamed to notice. See, I carry 24/7, and I don't even bother to look at people's bumps on their clothing. After a while you just stop being paranoid, and you assume it's pager/cell phone/whatever.
Only US, fresh CCW'ers think about it.
As much as I worried about printing at first, now I know I could walk into any place, printing, and nobody would notice. People just don't look at you assuming you're packing heat.
My neighbour is a cop, and one day I was picking up my mail, and had to reach to a mailbox close to the floor, and I KNOW I was pringing like hell (gun exposed on my back)! He passed right be me as I was getting up and realized the gun is visible, and as I was covering it, he looked me and smiled, and said "how are you?", I just smiled back and said "you're my new neighbor, nice to finally talk to you". He said nothing, I said nothing. BTW, no open carry in FL.
Other times, I printed a few times while in public places (Finace told me "you're printing
") Nobody else seamed to notice. See, I carry 24/7, and I don't even bother to look at people's bumps on their clothing. After a while you just stop being paranoid, and you assume it's pager/cell phone/whatever.Only US, fresh CCW'ers think about it.
As much as I worried about printing at first, now I know I could walk into any place, printing, and nobody would notice. People just don't look at you assuming you're packing heat.
Hemicuda
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I open carried into the grocery store this evening... it was quite busy, and open carry, though legal, really isn't common...
NOBODY noticed... until checkout time... a good friend (my buddies wife, but none the less my friend too) sees my "Itty Bitty Smitty" (637 in .38 Spl)
Her" Hey, you have a small revolver? I thought you carried the semi-auto's (.40 or .45 Smith's)"
Me: "yep, 'tis a lightweight .38"
Her: "cool, I've been thinking about a permit and a .38, can I shoot it sometime soon?"
Me: "yep, sure, anytime..."
cashier, good lookin' young thing, and an aquaintence of both of us: "can I try it too?"
Me: "sure, anytine..."
Her (friend): "I'll call ya tomorrow and set something up..."
Nubile cashier to me: "Can ya call me too, here's my number"
shopper in line, quietly to buddy, but still overheard: "that fat guy just got a date with 2 hot chicks with his GUN... I need one!"
see! good stuff DOES come from open carry! (I didn't tell the guy that I have a long time girlfriend and one of the 2 is married... let him think I'm that good!)
NOBODY noticed... until checkout time... a good friend (my buddies wife, but none the less my friend too) sees my "Itty Bitty Smitty" (637 in .38 Spl)
Her" Hey, you have a small revolver? I thought you carried the semi-auto's (.40 or .45 Smith's)"
Me: "yep, 'tis a lightweight .38"
Her: "cool, I've been thinking about a permit and a .38, can I shoot it sometime soon?"
Me: "yep, sure, anytime..."
cashier, good lookin' young thing, and an aquaintence of both of us: "can I try it too?"
Me: "sure, anytine..."
Her (friend): "I'll call ya tomorrow and set something up..."
Nubile cashier to me: "Can ya call me too, here's my number"
shopper in line, quietly to buddy, but still overheard: "that fat guy just got a date with 2 hot chicks with his GUN... I need one!"
see! good stuff DOES come from open carry! (I didn't tell the guy that I have a long time girlfriend and one of the 2 is married... let him think I'm that good!)
rangermonroe
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same thing with me this am.
On my way hunting this morning, I stopped to get a cup of coffee to stave off the "hammer gnomes". The convenience store has gone way upscale. Fifteen or so pots of coffee, but not one of them says "normal".
During the course of deciding which cup of joe I need, a handsome woman approaches and starts to chat me up. She noticed that I was a hunter. I guess it had something to do with the head to toe camoflage.
She mentioned, more than once, that she was a widow.
I went to the register to pay for my coffee. I have no time for older hotties when the 'rut' is on!
While fishing my wallet out to pay for the $1.05 cup of coffee, I was aware of the other hottie who kept checking out my 'fanny'.
Now, I'll be the first to admit, for a 36 y/o chubby guy...I have a nice keister...flat, smooth and wide, just how blind, fat chicks like 'em.
That lady finally noticed my holstered pistol just in front of my 'shiny, metal a$$"! After a triple take, she realized what she was seeing. She smiled and walked out, leaving me with my new admirer.
I thought I would have to pistol whip the widow to escape, and was glad to have that option available.
But as it were, a little conversation, and I needed my pistol for neither homicide nor suicide.
On my way hunting this morning, I stopped to get a cup of coffee to stave off the "hammer gnomes". The convenience store has gone way upscale. Fifteen or so pots of coffee, but not one of them says "normal".
During the course of deciding which cup of joe I need, a handsome woman approaches and starts to chat me up. She noticed that I was a hunter. I guess it had something to do with the head to toe camoflage.
She mentioned, more than once, that she was a widow.
I went to the register to pay for my coffee. I have no time for older hotties when the 'rut' is on!While fishing my wallet out to pay for the $1.05 cup of coffee, I was aware of the other hottie who kept checking out my 'fanny'.
Now, I'll be the first to admit, for a 36 y/o chubby guy...I have a nice keister...flat, smooth and wide, just how blind, fat chicks like 'em.
That lady finally noticed my holstered pistol just in front of my 'shiny, metal a$$"! After a triple take, she realized what she was seeing. She smiled and walked out, leaving me with my new admirer.
I thought I would have to pistol whip the widow to escape, and was glad to have that option available.
But as it were, a little conversation, and I needed my pistol for neither homicide nor suicide.
evan price
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The worst that might happen? Well, it might wear an outline of the gun into my nice shirt here, like a Skoal can in the back pocket of your Levis will do.
As I posted on another forum, I really think people get too worked up about "OMG I MIGHT BE PRINTING!!!!!!!!!!!one!!eleven!!!"
Conceal it well, don't be self conscious about it, if you are legal, and doing what you are supposed to do, it's not like you are hiding in a stable performing un-natural acts on barnyard animals. You're legally carrying a gun. In the immortal words of Captain Carlos (A good friend of mine) "I got a word an-a-half for 'em! ****-'em!"
Kudos to the n00b poster for the "I could give a rat's gluteus" method of carrying, +100 on that!
Why do you think everyone is looking at you? Why do you think they think you have a gun? Because like a lot of criminals when the cops cruise past, you LOOK GUILTY! Stop it! When you carry every day it becomes normal, on the days I can't carry I feel somehow underdressed and keep feeling the emptiness where my Galco should be.
As I posted on another forum, I really think people get too worked up about "OMG I MIGHT BE PRINTING!!!!!!!!!!!one!!eleven!!!"
Conceal it well, don't be self conscious about it, if you are legal, and doing what you are supposed to do, it's not like you are hiding in a stable performing un-natural acts on barnyard animals. You're legally carrying a gun. In the immortal words of Captain Carlos (A good friend of mine) "I got a word an-a-half for 'em! ****-'em!"
Kudos to the n00b poster for the "I could give a rat's gluteus" method of carrying, +100 on that!
Why do you think everyone is looking at you? Why do you think they think you have a gun? Because like a lot of criminals when the cops cruise past, you LOOK GUILTY! Stop it! When you carry every day it becomes normal, on the days I can't carry I feel somehow underdressed and keep feeling the emptiness where my Galco should be.
rockstar.esq
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Standing Wolf, Colorado is an open carry state however that depends on county size in additon to city legislation! IIRC it's something like 200,000 residents or more equal a "no can do" in Colorado.
For the comments about the LEO's just open firing on you for printing, I think you guys need to watch a little more TV. More likely is some kind of brief and loud verbal order instructing you how to behave in a non target like manner. So far I'm fairly certain that I've been "made" by about five different officers. Not being a shady sort, I pass by without trouble. Truth is that I'm not worried about it because I'm licensed, carrying with a holster, and in general not stupid.
For the comments about the LEO's just open firing on you for printing, I think you guys need to watch a little more TV. More likely is some kind of brief and loud verbal order instructing you how to behave in a non target like manner. So far I'm fairly certain that I've been "made" by about five different officers. Not being a shady sort, I pass by without trouble. Truth is that I'm not worried about it because I'm licensed, carrying with a holster, and in general not stupid.
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