When did gun metals start to get stronger?

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Not sure if I phrased the question properly, but I have often heard it said that S&W revolvers and Colt DA revolvers of pre-war manufacture were made of softer metal than those manufactured years later and that they could not withstand pressure as high as today's Smiths. I am no scientist or metalurgist but I know there are different steel with different hardness.
And if my question is properly understood, what is it that wore out or weakened? Was it the barrel, frame, or cylinder, or was it the internals?
One last question. Were the changes in metalurgy gradual or did the change come at a point in time across the firearms industry?
I have a S&W M27 of 1960 manufacture and was interested in where it fits in this metalurgy question.
There is a plethora of brilliant minds on this forum and the knowledge base on any subject really astounds me.
Thanks in advance
 
Gun metals have been getting stronger since guns began to get popular. Or swords. Or armor. Or hinges. Or flint and steel. Or...
More accurately, metals intended to be stressed have been getting stronger throughout time, as knowledge and ability to control composition, manufacture, and treatments have improved.
The most obvious today is probably shotgun barrels. Anything built today is strong enough to handle any ammunition available today. It's still not hard to find barrels that won't, since they're 'damascus', wire-wrapped, or (perhaps, but this likely ended long ago) rolled-and-welded.

As far as the revolvers, I think it wasn't a single change, but a relatively fast incremental improvement. And I believe it to change of materials and treatment; the internals won't really be affected by pressure, whereas the cylinder and frame definitely would.
 
Your 1960s m27 should be able to handle full power loads. Obviously like anything else mechanical it's possible for it wear out after significant use. From a metallurgical standpoint you can heat treat certain high carbon steels to the point where they can become brittle. In a gun you want hard but still able to withstand a shock from being fired. The evolution in metals and cutting tools last century was amazing.
 
Early weapons - match locks and pre-matchlocks - were quite weak compared to the last of the black powder category and no doubt modern arms are superior in strength to early smokeless powder guns.
I doubt if one can pick a time or event and declare 'this' is when metals begun to get stronger, or 'this' is when metals got strong enough.

Your 1960s m27 should be able to handle full power loads.
What is a full power load? When you make that statement, I would think you would mean "... a full power load according to SAAMI specifications of [certain date]" and not a 'full power load' of 4,000 years from now. (When all firearms are made of whatever they used for Thor's hammer.)

Even without that, no one is going to argue that a 1960s vintage .357 Magnum would handle a 'full charge' load from a 1960s .30-06 Springfield.

I respectfully submit the question is too vague and needs to be restated with more specificity.
 
Another worthy read is "Engineer To Win" by Carroll Smith who goes into steel manufacturing in a way at least this layman thinks he was able to understand. He built Indy and other race cars in the 1960"s and 70's and maybe beyound. In my opinion a great writer though his writing may be dated at this point. The ability to make better guns and weapons has played a huge part in who won the wars and able to write the histories.
 
WW2. Caused an astronomical improvement in technology, because...
One can go to a public library (maybe) and look at the "Machinery's Handbook" for pre-war and post war (1950's) and see major changes in ratings for metal characteristics. Not an easy read, but extremely knowledgeable.
 
1970s 357 mags.

Colt trooper soft. Hammer & sear surface hardened. Frame, barrel soft. Cylinder OK to work with the PSI.

S&W M28 hard thru and thru. Same in M27, N frames.

Very different firearms, at the same time in history.

I owned a Trooper. Still shoot the M28.
 
Another aspect is that Engineering Standards have shifted from "by eye" to "by instrument"--which makes manufacturing materials "to spec" not only realistic, but verifiable.

And, with more uniform standards, an engineer can start from places like "using this alloy" or that hardness, or this level of ductility, and then specify machining to meet that specification in a given design.

Which also allows for starting with, say, a milder steel so as to more readily machine it, then harden the resultant part to a specific level. All of which can be tested and verified.

Much of that has just happened in the last century.

Even metal finishing has gotten engineered. It's not longer a case of "bone" or "charcoal" or "lime" bluing, but actual temperature measurements. Color case-hardened finishes can be specified, instead of needing to use oi baths and time. "Straw" tempering can be rendered via time and temperature cycles, rather than by eye.

We live in glorious times, and it's all too easy to not notice. Or to notice and be surprised. The ability to readily machine titanium has largely occurred in my lifespan. The use of other metals, like Scandium and the like are still virtually new.
 
Specifically for my interest I am talking 20th century modern guns like S&W models and pre-number models.

No hard and fast rule. And it continues. Hard to believe my S&W 586 and my Kimber KS6 are rated for the same pressure. But they are.

The Kimber cylinder walls are pretty thin, comparatively.
 
Another aspect is that Engineering Standards have shifted from "by eye" to "by instrument"--which makes manufacturing materials "to spec" not only realistic, but verifiable.

And, with more uniform standards, an engineer can start from places like "using this alloy" or that hardness, or this level of ductility, and then specify machining to meet that specification in a given design.

Which also allows for starting with, say, a milder steel so as to more readily machine it, then harden the resultant part to a specific level. All of which can be tested and verified.

Much of that has just happened in the last century.

Even metal finishing has gotten engineered. It's not longer a case of "bone" or "charcoal" or "lime" bluing, but actual temperature measurements. Color case-hardened finishes can be specified, instead of needing to use oi baths and time. "Straw" tempering can be rendered via time and temperature cycles, rather than by eye.

We live in glorious times, and it's all too easy to not notice. Or to notice and be surprised. The ability to readily machine titanium has largely occurred in my lifespan. The use of other metals, like Scandium and the like are still virtually new.

I was going to say the same thing. Modern manufacturing is so good at making the same part to the same standards time after time we forget what it was like when everything was "file to fit" and heat treatment was a fine art for the blacksmith. We have created incredible accuracy and repeatability across the board and made the entire process much cheaper to boboot.i am still amazed at the defect rate most modern automated manufacturing processes can achieve, with minimal effort.

I would say anything from the late 19930s to the early 1950s is the start of modern engineering and manufacturing. We began the process of removing the "art" and moved to the "science" side of the equation.
 
The article referenced by @rust collector was more historical than technical.

I am going to claim that the basic reason the same plain carbon steels today, are stronger than period plain carbon steels, is 100% related to the amount of residuals and slag that early processes could not remove from the ladle. Also, state of art technology has significantly improved. This has affected everything. The Vacuum tube was basically a WW1 invention and was mature during WW2 and into the middle 1950's. Then the transistor was invented, then the microprocessor. Today's ability to quickly control, measure, process controls would be unbelievable by those steel makers who used to judge temperatures by eyeball.

I got to tell you, having lived through the semi conductor revolution, I never saw it. I took drafting class in college. I had my pencils, erasers, rulers, protractors, worked on a drafting board to produce dimensioned drawings of objects in three views. I am still amazed by dimensionally correct three dimension mechanical design software. I remember going through pages of paper drawings, manually adding dimensions to make sure the inside was not bigger than the outside. That took time, and, errors were found. What can be done with today's software is just amazing. Dick Tracy had a wrist watch with a video screen, and that was a cartoon. Now, we have cell phones. Never saw it coming.

From the data I have been able to find, early plain carbon steels had a lot of residual elements in them:

Residual Elements in Steel

https://www.totalmateria.com/page.aspx?ID=CheckArticle&site=kts&NM=205

Abstract:

Residual elements (Cu, Ni, As, Pb, Sn, Sb, Mo, Cr, etc.) are defined as elements which are not added on purpose to steel and which cannot be removed by simple metallurgical processes. The presence of residual elements in steel can have strong effects on mechanical properties. There is therefore clearly the need to identify and to quantify the effects of residual elements in order to keep these effects within acceptable limits.

Since so much scrap is recycled in the making of steel, “tramp elements” are a major concern.

https://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom/0110/manning-0110.html

One alternative to removing metallic tramp elements is to reduce their deleterious effects on steel properties. Most metallic residuals reduce steel hot strength and hot and cold ductility by segregating to and weakening grain boundaries. Tolerance to such chemical impurities could be improved through the design of alloys in which these elements were tied up in heterogeneously nucleating second-phase particles, which might not have the same negative effect on steel properties. Also, new near net shape casting processes, which will be described in following sections, may dramatically reduce the overall effect of residual elements for two reasons. As its name implies, near net shape casting describes solidification processes by which steel is cast in dimensions near to the specifications of the final product.

Might also look at the problem of micro inclusions and how they weaken steels.

Designers today, use data supplied by steel manufacturers, who test and provide the mechanical properties of their steels. Some questions I have, and would like to know, just what standards were being used in the 1890’s and when did the definitions of yield, ultimate baselined? Today, we are aware of the effect of low temperature on steel properties. From my reading, fatigue lifetime was unknown around World War 1, and so was knowledge about low temperatures and brittleness. I read that the first phase diagrams were came out in the 1890’s. And, in that time period, what mechanical properties were steel manufacturer’s reporting? I would like to know that, I do have a first edition of Machinery’s Handbook, (1916) I can tell you, there are serious gaps in the metallurgical knowledge of the period. The section on the heat treatment of carbon and alloys goes from Heat treatment A to heat treatment U. Actually not bad advice for the simple steels of the era. There is no reference to a steel specification such as SAEXXXX. Those standards came later. Specific “high speed tool” steels are referred to by maker, such as Burgess, Rex High Speed, Bethlehem self hardening. No compositional or material data is given on those high speed steels, just heat treatment suggestions. Anyone who spends any time looking at 19th century metallurgy, and knows what is available today, will see large gaps in period knowledge and technology.

Bessemer created a blast furnace technology that vastly increased the rate of steel production over any previous process, but he used Swedish iron. Swedish iron, by an accident of geology, is low in phosphors. Apparently Bessemer did not know that, but his licensee’s were using cheaper iron ores which were high in phosphorus and their steels were brittle. And they were suing. Bessemer found a chemist who created spiegeleisen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiegeleisen which removed the phosphorus. But you know, the Bessemer process, and all those early processes, could not remove non oxidizing elements. Most of the elements you listed are non oxidizing elements. And the question I have, because I don’t know this, is how are non oxidizing elements removed from the steels of today. One 1980’s SAE report I read, the increasing lifetime of wheel bearings was discussed. And the report directly related the increased fatigue lifetime to reduced micro inclusions from the decade before. Anyone claiming that steel from 1900 is as good as steel today is a dreamer.

An interesting data point, in Rifle Magazine did a review of the first Ruger M77’s in their Jan-Feb 1969 issue. In that article there is this quote:

Ruger technicians claim that during strength tests, a static load of at least 40,000 pounds was required to damage the locking lugs (there are two), and that, even then, the lugs did not shear away. Similar tests with Springfield and Mauser type mechanisms are said to show that the locking lugs of these action shear completely under loads 19,000 to 29,000 pounds.

The author of course is writing an informercial on Ruger M77 rifles, and educating you on what you need to know to buy Ruger rifles. The article is not about Mauser rifles or Springfield rifles, the article is selling Rugers, so we get this “taste” of data, but hey, it is data. The Springfield and Mauser bolts were certainly strong enough for the loads of the period, but the low yield at shear, compared to the 4140 steels used in the Ruger M77, show the much greater safety factor of later steels, and, a promise of a much higher fatigue life. Also, an examination of low temperature Charpy Impact tests show that good low carbon steels break at orders of magnitude less energy than alloy steels, such as 4140. There are good reasons why no one uses those primitive steels in safety critical applications such as receivers or rifle locking mechanism.

There is some data out there on WW1 era Mauser actions.

http://forums.accuratereloading.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9411043/m/4281076061?r=8481020161

Okay, here we go again. Sorry, I'm paraphrasing Duane Wiebe.

The 1996 "core" assay of a generic WW-I era 1898 Mauser receiver:

Carbon: 0.29%
Sulfur: 0.022%
Phosphorus: 0.019%
Manganese: 0.45%
Silicon: 0.16%
Nickel: 0.05%
Chromium 0.02%
Molybdenum: <0.01% (trace)
Vanadium <0.01% (trace)
Copper 0.17%
Columbium: <0.01% (trace)

The 1996 "core" assay of a WW-I era 1898 Mauser bolt:

Carbon: 0.18%
Sulfur: 0.018%
Phosphorus: 0.014%
Manganese: 0.76%
Silicon: 0.23%
Nickel: 0.29%
Chromium: 0.06%
Molybdenum: <0.01% (trace)
Copper 0.15%
Aluminum: 0.02%


The following was the steel composition specified by the Mausers:

Carbon LT 0.40%
Manganese LT 0.90%
Copper LT 0.18%
Silicon LT 0.30%
Phosphorous LT 0.04%
Sulphur LT 0.06%

This is from page 103 Rifle & Carbine 98: M98 Firearms of the German Army from 1898 to 1918 Dieter Storz

The material looks to be a manganese steel alloy. The copper is most likely a containment, with a percentage to limit the amount, it could be that copper added for easy machining, either way, it detracts from the steel properties. Specified property requirements were: Ultimate 78.2 Ksi, Yield 36.9 KSI, elongation 15%. A yield under 40 KSI probably means these are the desired properties of normalized steel.

Silicon, phosphorous and sulphur were actually undesirable, but unavoidable based on the ladle linings, so the percentages are limited. The load imparted to the lugs and the receiver seat is an impact load. Phosphorous has the ability to increase steel strength, hardness, and hardenability, but, sulphur and phosphorous adversely affect the material’s toughness, fatigue strength, which are critical properties in a rifle receiver. The other stuff, in the assay, is crap. To repeat, this stuff is crap that got into the steel. That nickel, chromium, molybdenum, vanadium, columbium, are all containments. Instead of making this some super duper advanced alloy steel, these “residuals” unpredictably detract from the properties of the steel.

These residuals are elements that the Bessemer and Open Hearth processes were not able to oxidize during the oxygen blow. They come from multiple sources, the most common one in today’s world, is scrap. Scrap is often contaminated with coatings of various kinds, and there is nothing to indicate that the steel manufactures were particular about the segregation of scrap. They might have been tossing everything and anything into the ladle. Waste in steel plant was collected and thrown back into the process, which also gave a slow but steady increase in the residual content, especially of copper and nickel, as these elements are not oxidized and removed in steel making.

Steels from the 1890’s and through the 1920’s are not of interest to the Archeological metallurgy community. They are much more interested in Medieval and earlier steel technologies, and there are books on steel composition and material properties on rare, existing specimens. I have one on Medieval sword compositions up to 1600. Really neat to read, but there is almost nothing on the period prior to, and after WW1. What material composition and property strength is in the public domain shows that early steels vary unpredictably in composition, and the material properties also vary. Pre vacuum tube technology has an inconsistency such that I came to the conclusion that it makes no sense to exceed period loads and pressures, or even, use the things at all in custom applications, where cheaper, modern alternatives are available.

This is from a paper by Bain, in the 1920’s. This paper was referenced in a post WW2 metallurgical book, and the author was making the case that plain carbon steels, which were the type of steels used in Krag’s, Mausers, M1903’s, heat treat erratically. Post WW2 (I don’t have the WW2 version) these plain carbon steels are being called shallow hardening. The graph to the right shows hardness by depth with these plain carbon steels. And, the hardness depth is varying, and not consistent through the coupon.

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Bain, and this is the Bain of whom Bainite is named, took identical sections of plain carbon steels, placed a selection in a heat treat oven, and acid etched the finished products. Bain showed that given identical plain carbon steel, in the same heat treat oven, specimens varied in heat treatment depth. The dark parts show the amount of steel that did not harden. This variability was more or less eliminated by alloy steels, which hardens deeply and consistently. This is a real concern as unless the part is completed hardened, it won’t hold a load as designed.

So, given the unpredictable and varying composition of these early steels, and then the tendency of the steel to harden erratically, these early steels are inferior in all respects to the same steels today.

I have gone through modern metallurgy books, and this cautionary tale told to the WW2 generation is missing. Science advances one funeral at a time and I think those who were pathologically attached to plain carbon steels, and shunned alloy steels, are gone. So a section on the advantages and superiority of alloy steels over plain carbon steels is no longer needed. But there was a time when the case had to be made.

I remember the period when calcified engineers were called “slide rule” engineers.

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I can still use the C/D scales on my slide rule,

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And I still occasionally use this old adding machine to balance my checkbook

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However, I have gotten so stupid that I find it easier to use web calculators for tasks that I used to do on paper.

Just as no one today would think of using a slide rule at college, or at work, no living engineer in sound mind and body would use those low grade steels used in those vintage rifles and pistols, in safety critical applications. Incidentally, I recently purchased a $60.00 transmission flywheel. Talked to the manufacturer and they use 4340 steel. I would have liked to talked to a metallurgist and asked his opinion about using 1035 steel as a flywheel material.

I cannot quantify the how steel has improved over time, I do not have samples of steel and measurements of their material properties and elements. However, things have improved. Who today would be writing love letters to Rambler because their car lasted 100,000 miles?

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There is a lot more to the improvement of automotive engine lifetime than just steel improvements. Those old single stage machines could not hold the tolerances of modern equipment, and the multi functionality of CNC machines allows multistage operations at one machining center, and computer measurement of the previous part. A bud of mine went to the subcontractor making Les Baer 1911 frames. On table 1, frame rails were being cut, on table 2, a computer probe was real time measuring the previous frame cut, and feeding back the tool wear to the cutting arm on table 1. Parts across hundreds, if not thousands of the same model, are for all intents and purposes, dimension ally identical. Parts do not sit in bins for days or weeks, like they were in vintage factories. Errors are discovered quickly, processes are set up so there is as little of in process inventory as possible.

I feel comfortable with post WW2 steels, but this is only a feeling. I do not have the time phased compositions or material properties to prove anything. And bad things still happen, such as the Japanese steel maker Kobe shipping non conforming steels, and committing fraud for decades

Kobe Steel scandal: how did it happen?
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-43298649

I can say, based on my experience of a case head failure in my RIA 1911, today's pistols are strong.

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rounds were hitting the feed ramp. The magazine release held the magazines too low and bullets were nose diving, and getting stuffed in the case. I am confident that is why the case head blew. The base of the magazine was blown out, my beautiful Herret cocobolo grips cracked. And I was hit by something that caused a bruise on my chin. I was wearing shooting glasses. All I had to do was field strip, wipe out the powder residue, re oil, insert a new magazine, and I continued shooting. I am of the opinion that such an over pressure event would have ruined a WW1 1911. I am still shooting my RIA, but I purchased a higher magazine release. So far, so good.

I am aware of a shooter who must have had a squib in his Colt 1911. A bud of mine investigated the strange kaboom which happened to an older man at the range. It must have been a squib that blew the case head. The next bullet knocked the bullet out of the barrel, but bulged the barrel and slide, and that pistol was ruined. Opps! Try hard enough, and anything made by man, can be unmade by man.
 
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@Archie says
What is a full power load? When you make that statement, I would think you would mean "... a full power load according to SAAMI specifications of [certain date]" and not a 'full power load' of 4,000 years from now. (When all firearms are made of whatever they used for Thor's hammer.)

Who had an m27 4000 years ago? In fact tell me about any firearms from 4000 years ago.What years would I be talking about besides 1960 to the present.
@Archie says
Even without that, no one is going to argue that a 1960s vintage .357 Magnum would handle a 'full charge' load from a 1960s .30-06 Springfield.


What does a 30-06 Springfield have to do with the op?
@Archie says
I respectfully submit the question is too vague and needs to be restated with more specificity.[/QUOTE]


If you thought the question was vague then why not just say so. Instead of saying anything about 4000 years ago,mythical thors hammer and full power 30-06 loads in a .357. Just respectfully saying.
 
The other factor that nobody has mentioned yet is better understanding of stresses. We can model those with software, pare away metal that is not needed while beefing up the parts that require it.

And frankly, there are some firearms where limited-life components are accepted. Springs, in particular. A Seecamp LWS-380 is a marvel of compactness, but you will replace the recoil springs every 300 rounds - it does a job on them.
 
So much good stuff in here, the.....formula....of steel is always changing. Just finished reading on the spanish american war and in talking of the ships there was talk of Harvey steel and Krupp steel.

always moving.
 
Probably the era of change from black powder to smokeless powder had the metallurgists making changes in the steel composition and heat treating.

I recall when I first started LE training, one of my fellow new guys wanted to honor his family by using his grandfather's or great grandfather's original service revolver from the turn of the century. It eventually gave way, blown out cylinder wall and peeled back top strap, from +P rounds.
 
When did gun metals start getting stronger?

When Bessemer developed his process for making steel. That's the moment in history that changed gun manufacturing, even more than the several who can be credited with parts interchangeability.

Sure, good steel was made before Bessemer, but it was a long, labor intensive job, and could only be made in small quantities. The Bessemer process made it possible to mass produce quality steel economically. Advances in steel came rather quickly after that.
 
The material looks to be a manganese steel alloy.

When the guys in Curse of Oak Island submit a piece of steel or iron for analysis, the absence of manganese is taken as an indicator of greater age.

Specific “high speed tool” steels are referred to by maker, such as Burgess, Rex High Speed, Bethlehem self hardening. No compositional or material data is given on those high speed steels,

P.O. Ackley did repeated replies in Guns and Ammo magazine explaining that calls for a barrel of "Timken Steel" was not specifying the alloy.

The other factor that nobody has mentioned yet is better understanding of stresses.

F.W. Mann and the gunsmiths at Neidner's had a good handle on stress, even if empirical. Mann said his Hamburg rifle would hold pressures that would bulge the barrel and had wrecked a "Government pressure gauge."

I used a K&E Log/Log Duplex Decitrig. Matter of taste and what was available in the college bookstore I’m thinking.

Kip Russel in 'Have Spacesuit, Will Travel' had one of those, therefore when my Aunt asked what I wanted for high school graduation, that is what I said. When I got to Georgia Tech, most were using the Post Versalog, a few the metal Pickett sold at the off campus book store. My K&E disappeared, so I replaced it with a Post, which put a dent in my budget.
 
One thing I've seen from the Star collector info site, and other old gun collecting by friends is there is no cutoff because "The future is already here. It's just not evenly distributed yet." Many makers, or even countries, whole regions, lag by decades behind the state of the art.

For example, let's look at aluminum alloys. They were legendarily not up to snuff up through at least the mid EIGHTIES. Except... many guns exist with lots of rounds down the barrel from 2-3 decades earlier with no appreciable problems. A LOT depends not just on the technology available from foundries but the quality of the engineering in being aware of the tech, of understanding stresses and picking the right alloy, and machining and finishing it properly. Remember when MIM was a recipe for fragile parts? Well, people have figured that out now. Or, how casting is still mostly a sign of bad things but Ruger makes impossibly strong stuff with investment castings. Lots to it aside from the source material.

Also we're not at the end of the bad metallurgy issues. Plenty of bad alloys, heat treat, and finishes even with things sold in the last few years, that then need to be fixed, or are (in government service) replaced, destroyed.

And — mentioned above but not to be discounted — is computerized repeatability and inspection. Numerous failures have occurred due to poor machine practices (too thin, bad radius so stress risers...) and that is less now. Could be eliminated, but it's easy to "Save money" and "reduce waste" by downsizing the QC/QA department so issues are not found until the end user reports failures. So, it varies from time to time even for decent quality makers as they adjust their quality by accident.
 
When the guys in Curse of Oak Island submit a piece of steel or iron for analysis, the absence of manganese is taken as an indicator of greater age.

This site claims Manganese steel was invented in 1882,

https://www.westyorkssteel.com/blog/manganese-steel/

but a book of mine claims it was the first alloy steel and it was invented in the 1890's. Unlike today's world, where information flashes at the speed of light, and early adopters are not far behind, information in the 19th century took longer to disseminate, and, resistance to change was strong. My reference book also states that the phase equilibrium diagrams we all had to use in College, were not created until the 1890's.

I am of the opinion that metals technology advanced as quickly as transistor technology has, in our lifetimes, in the period 1920 to 1940. Early 1920's steels are a hodgepodge of proprietary mixtures and blends, and it took standardization agencies, such as SAE, to cull out the insignificant duplicates.

Pretty much, the steels used in WW2 are standardized for their function, and still used today. Take a look at the history of steels in knifenerds. You have to search under the month articles, the author must love the history of high alloy steels, and most of the so called super steels used in knives, are pre WW2 cutting tools.

Manganese steel would have been an advanced steel for 1890's Mauser actions. However, even within ten years, nickle steel alloys clearly have better properties, but due to corporate inertia, manganese steels were used in Mauser actions up to WW2. What was used after, manufacturers did not say. I think most of us lived through the time when knife steels were either "high carbon", "solingen steel" or "surgical steel". They told us nothing. Now it seems the best old knife steels were 440 B and 420. Big whopee.

The other factor that nobody has mentioned yet is better understanding of stresses.
F.W. Mann and the gunsmiths at Neidner's had a good handle on stress, even if empirical. Mann said his Hamburg rifle would hold pressures that would bulge the barrel and had wrecked a "Government pressure gauge."

Why would barrels and actions be made from the same materials, be heat treated the same, and have the same material properties of elasticity, yield? The shooting community, and the included P.O Ackley made the assumption that barrels are exactly the same in all aspects as receivers, but that assumption is wrong.

Barrels are a pressure vessel, ductility is needed, not hardness. And there is zero expectation that barrels are going to be re used. I consider it poor practice to ream out a used barrel and re use it. I am aware of a shooter on another forum, he had a barrel maker ream out a 1940's-50's M70 30-06 barrel to 35 Whelen. I have two identical profile barrels, one 30-06, the other, 35 Whelen. The 35 Whelen is six ounces less. Any the shooter who had his 30-06 rechambered and reamed to 35 Whelen had the barrel blow on the first shot with factory ammunition. Or maybe the first 20 shots. Anyway the rifle owner blamed the barrel maker, who blaimed the shooter. And neither of those knuckle heads ever thought that re using a pressure vessel that had gone through one service life, and removing material from it, might be risky.

While most barrels are heavier and thicker than the pressure requirement, they are still softer than receivers, or the barrel maker would not be able to gun drill the things. And, barrels are not heat treated, one reason is, they would warp, and secondly, hardness is not needed in the application. Toughness and ductility are more important

So, when PO Ackley bulges a barrel, in one of his psuedo science experiments, all he is showing is that the barrel was never designed or built to the insane pressures of his Ackley improved cartridges. And there is no reason to assume that the action will blow at the same pressures of the barrel. Why should it?

The weak link is the cartridge. There are several functions a brass cartridge has, one is that it holds the primer, powder, bullet together. Another is that is is a gas seal. It is not a structural element, it is not supposed to carry load, no more than a rubber "O" ring carries load, both have to be supported or they will blow. I have had rubber rings blow out of my air compressor because the hose was not screwed tightly down. Brass will cling to the chamber for a time, but eventually, above 27,000 psia (according to Professor Boatwright) the case head sidewalls will stretch to the bolt face in a 243Win. Of course the neck and shoulders stretch at much lower pressures, probably under 1000 psia.

Kip Russel in 'Have Spacesuit, Will Travel' had one of those, therefore when my Aunt asked what I wanted for high school graduation, that is what I said. When I got to Georgia Tech, most were using the Post Versalog, a few the metal Pickett sold at the off campus book store. My K&E disappeared, so I replaced it with a Post, which put a dent in my budget.

My Post used to have this wonderful bamboo smell when I opened the case. Now all the fragrant oils are gone, but it is still a smooth and slick slide rule. I can still use the C & D scales, have to figure out the K, the others, have to get into the books.
 
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I can shed a small amount of additional light on slamfire's discussion of hardness depth.....

Simple carbon steel is very sensitive to quench rate. The interior of a part cools more slowly than the exterior, so the interior is necessarily softer. The quench oil can only carry off heat just so fast.

The "richer" alloys, those with additives such as nickel, are much less sensitive to quench rate. So the difference between interior and exterior hardness is not nearly as much.

There are steel alloys that are "air quenched". Just pull them out of the furnace, and ambient air will cool them rapidly enough.
 
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