Which AR-Mods for you, why?

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Realizing the need generally makes the decision for us, I am speaking of general purpose work horse rifle/carbine.

For me ideal great all around weapon, is a a4 upper with m4 stock, floated quad rifle length capped, 5.56x45 18" chrome lined 1:8 hbar with m4 feed ramps & recessed 11 degree crown, lopro gas block at mid length, heavy duty lopro flip ups front and rear, tear drop forward assist, tactical charging handle, hybrid sling 2 or 1 point, ergo grip, grip pod mil spec and lastly an optic to match capabilities of said weapon.
I only mention the one brand name item as nothing else is worth buying of that product type in particular.

I do this to avoid 16 pages of ford vs chevy banter. just modifications please.
think it through have fun, i look forward to see what ideas come about.
 
If we're talking "need" there are two that instantly come to mind if reliability is important to you:

- BCM or Tubbs extractor spring upgrade
- Tubbs flat-wire extra strength buffer spring

Other's worth considering:

- Chrome bolt/bolt carrier group
- BAD Lever
- BCM Gunfighter charging handle
 
The only thing I have done to my 10 year old A2 is a new Hogue grip - a very nice upgrade for $17. The slightly rubbery Hogue grip fits my hand better and feels like I am getting a more solid grip.

I have been looking at the Magpul MOE rifle-length forend, too.

This gun is a shooter as-is so I haven't jacked with it, if you know what I mean.
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I have a bunch of magpul mods and the main reason why I bought them was because they were cheap. I don't need a $300 quad rail. I just save that money to put towards other guns.
 
I put some sights on mine so I could hit what I was looking at. I like it much better now. That's about as far as it goes for me.
 
things I would change on a stock carbine:
-upgrade to full-auto carrier + milspec bolt
-quad-rail free float handguard with a front grip of my choice
-switch out A2 handle for something much better
-either grab a rubber slip-on for the buttstock or change to a CTR stock
-flip-up irons; optic optional but preferred

this is what I would do to just about any beater/workers' carbine.
 
of course you have to use what works for you but, im all tapco mods, tapco quad rail, vg, mags, and collapsible stock. With an eotech 516 and flip up rear sights. works great for me. Just my .02
 
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Seriously, on a carbine? Most people who try them on rifles wind up switching them out; they're heavy, and the adjustments do little for the platform.

For me, a good sturdy stock, M-16 bolt carrier, HP and MPI tested bolt, carrier, and barrel. Quality optics that I know if I drop it, it will still function fine. The same goes for back up irons. PMags. Those are the only things that I need.

I like a free float rail; I may be trying a free float "tube" later this year on my carbine. A quality grip is not essential, but very nice. A match trigger for my precision rifle, a battle trigger for my carbine (that might change a little). I like an effective muzzle brake/comp.

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McFarland 1 piece gas rings
Accu-Wedge (the rattle is annoying)
Upgraded extractor spring
a real good lube
P-mags or C-products stainless mags
A good red dot sight.
Range time.

Those are the things I consider essential.

John
 
hmmm a Work horse....for a workhorse i'd keep it simple. good trigger,eotech,back up iron sights,(front flip up iron sight/gas block) don't think i'd put a rail on it
 
Good mags.

Good ammo.

Honed trigger (just enough to polish the machining marks)

Maybe a flashlight. If you have to.
 
What I find interesting about these threads is that you can usually tell who does what kind of shooting and who doesn't shoot at all by the replies.

For me it is the following:

  • Aimpoint or low power ACOG
  • VCAS sling
  • A good light
  • Extended rail for proper grip if a carbine length gas system.
  • VFG optional
  • BG16 Grip
  • IMOD stock
  • A better Flash hider. Vortex or Backout depending on the gun.
 
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The rifle I am putting together:

- BCM upper with 20" gov't profile chrome lined 1/7 twist barrel
- BCM full auto bolt carrier group
- Vltor A5 receiver extension and E-mod stock
- Midwest Industries SS 12" free float handguard
- QD sling socket/swivel
- RRA 2-stage trigger
- Tango Down grip
- P-mags
- KAC 200-600m flip up rear sight
- Trijicon TA33RCO-A4 ACOG
- M-14 sling
- Magpul MS-2 sling

And as for the why... well, I like a rifle with a longer barrel for better ballistics at longer range, but I like to keep it nice and light, hence the GI-profile 20" barrel; I like to be able to shoot anything from military ball up to 77 grainers, hence the 1/7 twist; MI-SS tube because it's light and modular (I can have rails just where I need them instead of a heavy cheese grater on my rifle all the time); BCM Barrel, upper, and BCG because it's the best there is; Vltor stock because it has lots of storage and isn't too heavy, and should balance with the 20" nicely, and the A5 rec. ext. should keep recoil nice and easy with the collapsible stock; RRA 2-stage because it's light and smooth enough for precision but heavy enough for field use; Tango Down grip for storage and because it's comfortable; KAC rear sight because it's adjustable for elevation in MOA-incremented clicks just like the factory carry handle sight, and I would not feel a bit disadvantaged using it as my primary optic; that specific ACOG because its BDC is designed for a 20" barrel with standard ball ammo; MS-2 sling for carry (and because I like the option of either 1 or 2 point, depending on the situation); M-14 GI web sling to keep on my arm as a loop sling, to hook up with the QD swivel if I need extra stability for precise shooting.

She oughta look something like this when she's done:
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Henschman, do a bit of research on the MI handguards; I seem to recall hearing that a good number of them were out of spec. You might look at the new Samson rails; I'm really thinking of one of theirs for my BCM middie. Would do a good deal to lighten up my rig.
 
...I am speaking of general purpose work horse rifle/carbine... avoid ... brand name...

I also think that the rifle you described would do well with an A4 upper with M4 stock, 5.56 chrome lined barrel with M4 feed ramps and tactical charging handle. But I'd diverge to a 1:7 16" LW midlength profile (though could see an HBAR in some applications), quality M16 BCG, H buffer and good milspec trigger. Standard F-marked FSB, MOE handguards, A2 grip, A2 flash hider. Chopped A4 carry handle with micro style RDS that can be swapped to a smaller scope, probably 3-9x40. 2-point sling and quality 20 and 30rd magazines. The rifle must function reliabily with ammo from cheap 55gr steel case to 77gr top drawer stuff and be capable of 2 MOA.
 
Birddog, does Samson make a modular handguard that you can just put rails where you want? i am trying to avoid another quad rail. I would go with the Troy TRX Extreme, but they don't make one in 12" like I need to work with the gas block front sight on that 20" barrel. MI-SS is supposed to be the lightest modular handguard you can get. I hadn't heard that about them being out of spec... what's out of spec on them? The top rail? Midwest Industries has a decent reputation generally, so I figured it would be good to go.
 
Changing the camo outfit on your Barbie doll doesn't do squat. :neener:

If you want to mod a carbine to make it work better, don't start with an institutional compromise some large government bureaucracy committee engineered.

From the basis of the M16 - in order of priority, meaning this is important, and each item depends on the previous being more important. Too many get this backwards.

1) shorter barrel - it's a carbine, which makes it 16.1". Shorter requires a BATF permission slip, and since this is an all around workhorse, not a CQB specialty item, that's good enough.

2) caliber - you lose too much velocity with the 5.56, improving power makes it more than a varmint round. Make it legal to hunt - and effective. In a carbine, the 6.8SPC effectively does that, and is also why it's the #1 alternate AR caliber.

3) upper - A3, of course, for mounting optics. Forward assist? not really needed. It's just that you will get one cheaper with it rather than without, so for the added utility of quietly chambering a round hunting, ok. That is actually it's only value. There is no military application for that, no one leaves the wire unless they lock and load, on safe. The shape is relatively unimportant.

4) optic - an all around workhorse carbine is NOT a long range varmint or sniper. 2 or 3 power at most, preferably a red dot. They allow shooting both eyes open, acquire a target fast, are more accurate in fast shooting. For back up, standard issue irons. They won't break, are always ready, don't need extra time fiddling them into use, won't loosen and fall off, and deliver more value for the less expensive price. A cut down surplus M4 carry handle rear, and fixed front sight work as good cheaper than some fancy rail mounted BUIS for $100 more.

5) furniture - adjustable rear stocks are for armor plate wearing combat soldiers. They need the different length of pull, civilian shooters don't. Period. The disadvantages for an all around workhorse carbine are more parts, expense, and things that go "Cronk!" at the worst possible time - within hearing of your target. Use an A1 or A2 and save the money, it even gives a better cheek weld, making it more accurate. Far more comfortable in hunting weather, too. All around means winter use, something far too many ignore. That goes for handguards, too, if the barrel is milspec 2MOA, use them, not the institutionally imposed quad rail. It adds nothing to barrel accuracy, what causes a shift in the POI is using a long distance range sling. Wrong application. Don't. It's a red dot sighted 16" gun, not a three position International target rifle. Grip? Whatever. It's not a handgun, you support the weapon from the shoulder and handguard, all the firing hand needs is a rest to oppose the trigger pull. Don't overthink it.

6) Trigger - dead last and least important. CARBINE, remember? Get a trigger travel adjustment screw, take out most of the slack, your trigger will be 80% relieved of creep and grit right there. That makes it an all around workhorse, a crisp, close trigger with a field weight pull that won't go off getting it out of the deer stand or tripping over brambles. And, yes you do, I know for a fact some of you hunt with the safety off. A 2 1/2# target trigger is a known hazard in the field. If it wasn't, it would be milspec. It's not.

Most of the dress up recipes on the net have nothing to do with really making the AR an all around workhorse, it's just an OMG.com blog about the neat dress up gear someone charged on their credit card. :evil:

You eventually learn the more boring it looks, the more likely it's effective. Tricked out bling guns can't do an all around job - they have too many competing parts that the operator never learns how to use. Remember, you practice until you can't do it wrong.
 
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It's been a while since I read about the MI rails.

Samson's Evolution series is a light tube style that you can bolt rail sections to. Check out their website. They do make a 12" model as well, I believe.
 
I agree with everything tirod said, with two exceptions.


5) furniture - adjustable rear stocks are for armor plate wearing combat soldiers. They need the different length of pull, civilian shooters don't. Period. The disadvantages for an all around workhorse carbine are more parts, expense, and things that go "Cronk!" at the worst possible time - within hearing of your target. Use an A1 or A2 and save the money, it even gives a better cheek weld, making it more accurate.

A2 stocks are too long for damn near everyone, and a1 stocks are not much better, IME. An adjustable stock allows you to adjust it where you want it and leave it.

6) Trigger - dead last and least important. CARBINE, remember? Get a trigger travel adjustment screw, take out most of the slack, your trigger will be 80% relieved of creep and grit right there.

Overtravel screws are Not suitable for a gun you may need to depend on. They work in and tie up the gun.
 
Fixed stocks would be fine if they were fixed at the right length. You can't shoot squared up with even an A1. I like adjustable for being able to go to the length I like it and then I can pass it to a buddy and he can shoot it at a length suitable for him.

This becomes very obvious if you ever do a battlefield pickup drill.

I also don't like set screws. learn to shoot with the stock trigger unless you are going to be using this for a long ranged gun. I have 1 AR set up with a aftermarket trigger and it is an SPR specifically made for longer ranged shots against yotes and the like.
 
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