Which gun for groomsmen?

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Not to sound judgmental, but $150 is a LOT of money to spend on a crappy gift, which is what you'd get with a gun in that price range.
I have to agree with Manny. If someone gave me one of the guns you were considering, I'd thank them sincerly for the gift, then toss it in a box in the closet and never look at it again.

I think the idea of spending $150 on a good knife makes much more sense than spending $150 on a crappy gun. IMHO. :eek:
 
I hate getting junk or swag that is useless and just goes in a junk drawer or the trash or donated after I hold it for the obligatory time.

I have to agree with Manny. If someone gave me one of the guns you were considering, I'd thank them sincerly for the gift, then toss it in a box in the closet and never look at it again.

For the same money you could have something NICER than folks would normally buy themselves or something WORSE than they'd ever buy themselves.

That should make the decision pretty clear.

Nope. There is nothing collectible about a cheapo, low quality gun.
QUALITY is collectible, and will be kept for generations. There is nothing inherently special about poor quality just because it happens to be in the shape of a gun.

I'd suggest that the cheap options you're considering are not collectable. And in fact as firearms go they are eminently forgettable. I have to agree with Manny that suggested that cheap guns like these are simply too cheap to be valued by anyone.

Not to sound judgmental, but $150 is a LOT of money to spend on a crappy gift, which is what you'd get with a gun in that price range.

I'm with the other guys. Nobody wants a cheap gun but a nice knife or flashlight would be a super gift. It's nice to receive something as a gift that you wouldn't buy for yourself.

It may be overkill for me to agree with the others at this point, but $150 is going to go a lot further with a knife than with a firearm.

See a trend? :)

Here's the thing: Your wedding isn't about YOU. It's about everyone else. Think not about what YOU want, but from the perspective of your groomsmen and what, as they used to say, will be a blessing to them. That's really what this gesture is for. A generous gift, or a cheap one? A useful something that will be nicer than what they'd get themselves, or something junky that they'll have to find a corner of a drawer or safe to stick it into? For heaven's sake if you get a cheap gun, don't get it engraved. That will literally halve whatever meager value it might have had as trade fodder down the road.

(Brings to mind a scene from a sitcom years ago where the main character's parents were caught returning his gift to the store, unopened. When confronted his mother finally laid it out for him, "Well, honey, we're the ones that have to GET these presents!"! :uhoh: A lot of awkward truth in that!)

You want to present them with a token of your esteem. How much do you esteem them? A crappy pot-metal gun's worth? Or a very nice knife's worth? (Not that it has to be a knife. Just a handy example.) The cost is not the point. The symbolism here is in the above-and-beyond value. Something out of the ordinary, above (not far below) run-of-the-mill clutter.
 
I reads your original post a couple of times. If you can look past the term "FIREARMS" you can do quite a bit with your $150 budget. Pyramid air lists over 100 air pistols under $100 on their website. For $150 you should be able to include a pistol, (some of these are nice and have a reputation for outliving their owner) a pellet trap, targets, and a whole bunch of pellets.
If I were on the receiving end, a Crossman 1322 would be around to teach great-grandchildren to shoot with 30 years from now. If you bought one for each grooms man and one for yourself, you could all be shooting together 20 years from now. It could also be a lot less of hassle on travel, transfer, flight and interstate transportation restrictions.
I have a 312 Benjamin air rifle purchased for my mother back in 1953 that all three of us kids grew up shooting. It is battered, beaten, abused but it still takes down a marauding jackrabbit at 20 yds with one shot. A lot of people use these almost daily for practice and vermin.
Lastly, you have a chance to start a tradition of shooting whenever you and your groomsmen are together, and you don't have to worry about most of the firearms regulation or the high expense of ammo.

blindhari
 
Hey, blindhari's airgun idea may be a good compromise. And no FFL transfer hassles.

I don't think people are suggesting that ratt finkel has to spend 4 figures on a firearm for it to be a meaningful gift. I think that people are wanting his very generous gesture to come across as classy, as this once in a lifetime event.

The Remington pocket knife that my dad bought as a kid back in the 1930's is a treasured possession of mine. He gave it to me not long ago. It's tucked away and rarely used, but it's FAR from a "junk drawer" status item. It wasn't expensive back in the day, but great quality when compared to many common items today. I think it's quality adds to it's appeal.

But it's your wedding, not mine, so do what feels good to you. Of the firearms, I like the Heritage the best. I have two Heritage's and like them both.
 
How about cool swords for your 'knights' of your wedding?

http://www.darkknightarmoury.com/p-3234-maintz-pattern-gladius.aspx

Lots of websites offer battle ready quality swords in the $150 budget area. No FFL forms to complete either.

You could get matching swords, or different swords to fit their unique personalities. I think that would be awesome if all 6 of them received different swords.

Or, if you are all into paintball, sweet paintball setups?

I was at a wedding once where the groomsmen received engraved custom luxury pens, I think they were several hundred dollars each!!! I thought that the groom was a moron. I'm certain those pens went into a junk drawer, or maybe just sat uselessly on a shelf somewhere. Imagine getting a beautiful knife instead, something that is very useful, and makes you think of the wedding every time you use it.

Overall though, you want to give something they cherish forever, and won't break or become junk or donated to the salvation army...

I agree, you want to buy quality knives over junk guns.
 
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Interstate transfer

Don't forget the part where 2 groomsmen are coming from out of state. That makes transfer of firearms to them more complicated. You have to find a FFL near their homes, ship them and have them transferred. The black powder pistol, knife, or air gun options get around that.
 
Silver bullets

Oh, I just thought of this!

Silver bullion bullets!

http://silverbulletbullion.com/

These would be fantastic for both display, AND intrinsic value. And extremely memorable.

For the hunter in your group, get him the .30-06 round.

For the IDPA shooter, get him the 9mm rounds...

For the long range shooter, get him the .50 BMG, etc.

Figure it out so it's all thoughtful and fair among your groomsmen... maybe get small display cases for each of them, with a small $5 plaque the their name and date and your wedding, etc.
 
I had actually looked at swords and other medieval weaponry. I really don't know much about them enough to know if any of them were decent in that price range. They certainly LOOK nice. But I would assume nice swords that are not Chinese stamped crap probably cost more than my budget. Which is what brought me back to the firearm trail.

I had thought a lot about personalized gifts too. But having read up on this subject. Found people may not always appreciate the thought going into it. Or feel like their personalized gift doesn't "measure up" to what others get.

I'm really leaning towards one of the cheaper .22 revolvers. I'm going to make the rounds to the local shops here this weekend so I can actually play around with one. If they feel or appear to cheap I may abandon the idea entirely.

As far as rifles and shotguns. There are some "modern" 12 gauge options out right now for under the $200 range. But they just don't have that classy feel.

Most of the .22 rifles under $200 are also pretty cheesy. Have you ever held a marlin 60? I'm not a huge dude and it just feels like a cheap toy to me. No thanks.
I already know one of them would scoff at a nagant. I have one, and it's in incredible shape considering. They definitely fit the bill. Just something doesn't feel right about that selection. Plus it would be a little more of a pain to ship due to it's size.

Paintball guns are out. Too juvenile for my intentions (though fun)
I'll look into the airsoft options. I know some of the higher end options are very realistic and solid pieces in their own right. But I was under the impression they were in the $300 plus range.

Not worried about transferring.

P.S. I would swear I posted this on a knife lovers forum LOL! Some of you guys must be WAY more obsessed with sharp pointy objects than me :p
 
I suppose those break action derringers (maybe in .38 Spc.) would be probably most in their element as a presentation item.

Of course you've still got a bit of a hassle on your hands with the transfer issue (even more of a pain with a handgun than a rifle) but if you've got the time to work that out properly, the derringers do sort of have a certain old-school charm. Not what most folks would ever buy for themselves, but not necessarily because of poor quality.

Just don't hand them out at your bachelor party and turn two of your pals into instant felons! :eek:
 
They party pretty hard in federal prisons too. Not worth it! You're already skating dangerously near the "news of the weird" with this plan.
 
You can get them all the excellent Pelican 1910 AAA flashlight, and still have ample room in the budget for a nice case and engraving.

John
 
Sam, you obviously don't know how we party down here in TX LOL!
Well, now I don't know exactly what that means, but if your pals are from out of state, you're into federal felony territory if you give them guns to take home.

Hopefully Texans don't party THAT way.
 
Man, some people take life WAY too seriously. Obviously, all of this will be done through the proper legal channels.

My joke was about mixing my groomsmen, alcohol and firearms. Sorry it came across as anything but. Now back to the subject. Looked at some of the derringers. Some nice looking examples in the $130-180 price range. Any I should definitely be avoiding?
 
Ahhh, sorry. Some folks like to display an alarmingly cavalier attitude about the law and we tend to be humorless about it.

I've not followed prices on derringers, but the Bond Arms guns are (I think) the best of the lot, and made right there in the Lone Start State (...er, Republic...whatever! ;)).

American Derringers I think is the other quality maker.
 
I've not followed prices on derringers, but the Bond Arms guns are (I think) the best of the lot, and made right there in the Lone Start State (...er, Republic...whatever! ).

Bond Arms derringers seem to start in the high $300's so while it's an excellent idea.. out of budget.

In an ideal world. I would give them all nickel plated colt 45's. But I don't have that type of budget. That being said, listening to some of you. It sounds like if I can't produce a 4 figure gun then I am doing them some great disservice. And I can't agree with that.

Hold on there. No need to get extreme. There's a lot of territory between the $150 budget price, and four-figure guns. There are some perfectly fine guns that can be had for moderate price (I'm thinking $250-400, i.e.. CZ82 surplus, Bersa, the Bond Arms derringers, even some Taurus revolvers)... it's just that the moderate price is out of your price range. I'll also add that while i didn't quote it above, calling us nay-sayers because we're giving a different opinion than you wanted to hear, is not very 'HighRoad.'

I'm really leaning towards one of the cheaper .22 revolvers. I'm going to make the rounds to the local shops here this weekend so I can actually play around with one. If they feel or appear to cheap I may abandon the idea entirely....Most of the .22 rifles under $200 are also pretty cheesy. Have you ever held a marlin 60? I'm not a huge dude and it just feels like a cheap toy to me. No thanks.

Sooo.... the Marlin Model 60, a gun that will likely last several generations feels cheesy to you, but a .22 revolver in the $150 price range feels like what? Do you imagine it's going to feel like a quality piece?

also:

I had actually looked at swords and other medieval weaponry. I really don't know much about them enough to know if any of them were decent in that price range.

$150 will get you higher on the quality continuum of swords than it will for guns.

I don't mean to sound like I'm bashing your idea. I can appreciate wanting to buy guns. I really can. I just see a gun at the $150 as buying the lowest quality level available on the market, vs. $150 knife/flashlight/airgun/etc... as being much higher quality.

For the same $150 you can be the guy who bought them low quality presents, or high quality presents. It won't cost you a dime more to get quality that will be appreciated for generations to come.
 
Consider buying them a high quality everyday item. Something they probably admire but not purchase.

I think a rechargeable aluminum LEO flashlight would fit the ticket as you can never have too many flashlights especially one that the battery works when you need it.
 
Here's the thing: Your wedding isn't about YOU. It's about everyone else. Think not about what YOU want, but from the perspective of your groomsmen and what, as they used to say, will be a blessing to them. That's really what this gesture is for. A generous gift, or a cheap one? A useful something that will be nicer than what they'd get themselves, or something junky that they'll have to find a corner of a drawer or safe to stick it into? For heaven's sake if you get a cheap gun, don't get it engraved. That will literally halve whatever meager value it might have had as trade fodder down the road.

(Brings to mind a scene from a sitcom years ago where the main character's parents were caught returning his gift to the store, unopened. When confronted his mother finally laid it out for him, "Well, honey, we're the ones that have to GET these presents!"! :uhoh: A lot of awkward truth in that!)

You want to present them with a token of your esteem. How much do you esteem them? A crappy pot-metal gun's worth? Or a very nice knife's worth? (Not that it has to be a knife. Just a handy example.) The cost is not the point. The symbolism here is in the above-and-beyond value. Something out of the ordinary, above (not far below) run-of-the-mill clutter.

While I agree with much of what you posted here, I've gotta disagree with you about your statement: "Your wedding isn't about YOU. It's about everyone else."

It IS about him...and his bride. His groomsmen are there for HIM. Her bridesmaids are there for HER. Family and friends are there to support the COUPLE. The officiating authority (priest, pastor, rabi, JP, whomever) is there for the COUPLE.

Yeah, prideful parents are there, and I suppose it could be said that it's about them, too...but if any parent dared to shift the limelight away from the couple, I'd call them exceedingly rude.


I'm going to make an assumption that the aforementioned budget was established based on his means, and that is to be both expected and respected. He has an idea of what he'd LIKE to get his groomsmen...the only issue is whether or not he can get something close to his desires for the budget he has to work with.

I've been a groomsman in a few weddings myself. I take whatever gift may be offered as just that...a gift. It may not be original, it may not be expensive, it may not be the most practical, but it IS a gift. I've got a box somewhere full of little penknives, engraved pens, even an etched shot glass which I've received as such gifts. Even some gag gifts. Each one has a fond memory attached to it, and not once was I ever concerned about the quality or utility of the gift. I would have happily served as groomsman for ANY of the weddings I attended, solely for the honor of the role.

If I were to receive a cheap .22LR revolver as a gift...it's STILL a gift that I would value and I would understand both the intent behind it and respect whatever financial decisions were made which limited the purchase. It's not as if I'll ever think badly of a friend or relative for it.

In fact, the first word that would go through my mind on seeing such a gift would be "COOL!" because of it's uniqueness.

Yeah, for $150 he could get everybody a Gerber Mark II knife. Yeah, he could get any of the other things we suggested here as well. And I'm sure they'd all be appreciated.

But we do a disservice to think that his close friends and family serving in the role of groomsmen would look down on him just because he wanted to get them each a gun but couldn't afford to shell out $3000-plus dollars for six people.
 
I bought a Cobra Derringer in .38 Special and it's not bad at all for the price. When I bought it, it was only $110 but I'm sure they are higher now. They have longer barrel Derringers too. The "Big Bore" comes in 22 Mag, 32 H&R Mag, .38 Special, 380 Auto or 9mm. If you know which caliber your grooms carry you could match it with the Derringer.
http://www.cobrapistols.net/product-big-bore-derringers.asp
 
Another vote for the Cobra Derringer, that would be cool as hell. You seem like a practical guy, so I can reasonably assume your best friends will be too. ANY down to earth guy who enjoys shooting will probably be excited to receive such a gift.

Early congrats to you and your bride.
 
While I agree with much of what you posted here, I've gotta disagree with you about your statement: "Your wedding isn't about YOU. It's about everyone else."

It IS about him...and his bride. His groomsmen are there for HIM. Her bridesmaids are there for HER. Family and friends are there to support the COUPLE. The officiating authority (priest, pastor, rabi, JP, whomever) is there for the COUPLE.

Yeah, prideful parents are there, and I suppose it could be said that it's about them, too...but if any parent dared to shift the limelight away from the couple, I'd call them exceedingly rude.


I'm going to make an assumption that the aforementioned budget was established based on his means, and that is to be both expected and respected. He has an idea of what he'd LIKE to get his groomsmen...the only issue is whether or not he can get something close to his desires for the budget he has to work with.

I've been a groomsman in a few weddings myself. I take whatever gift may be offered as just that...a gift. It may not be original, it may not be expensive, it may not be the most practical, but it IS a gift. I've got a box somewhere full of little penknives, engraved pens, even an etched shot glass which I've received as such gifts. Even some gag gifts. Each one has a fond memory attached to it, and not once was I ever concerned about the quality or utility of the gift. I would have happily served as groomsman for ANY of the weddings I attended, solely for the honor of the role.

If I were to receive a cheap .22LR revolver as a gift...it's STILL a gift that I would value and I would understand both the intent behind it and respect whatever financial decisions were made which limited the purchase. It's not as if I'll ever think badly of a friend or relative for it.

In fact, the first word that would go through my mind on seeing such a gift would be "COOL!" because of it's uniqueness.

Yeah, for $150 he could get everybody a Gerber Mark II knife. Yeah, he could get any of the other things we suggested here as well. And I'm sure they'd all be appreciated.

But we do a disservice to think that his close friends and family serving in the role of groomsmen would look down on him just because he wanted to get them each a gun but couldn't afford to shell out $3000-plus dollars for six people.

Thank you for the thoughtful and detailed response. This is exactly how I feel. Like I said earlier. I am going to make the rounds to the various shops here in DFW this weekend to fondle some of these options. If they don't meet what I feel the need is. Then I will look at other alternatives.

And thank you lordy! We are both very excited!
 
Bond derringer is made in TX and the best derringer made but as pointed out it is out of the price range. If I were to get a derringer I would pay the extra and get a Bond.
 
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