Which military surplus rifle fits you best?

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As an unemployed man, I've been able to use some of my free time to shoot the rifles and ammo I bought while working. I enjoy shooting while everyone else is at work.

I'm rapidly finding that rifles I'd shot only casually before are proving or failing to prove themselves in my hands. Normally, I bring a couple to the range so I can shoot them comparatively if I want. I've been shooting from 200, 300, and 600 yards in prone, sitting, and standing positions.

If all of my rifles are on a list ranking their overall fit and shootability for me, some are moving up the list and others are moving down. Some rifles that have moved up the list:

1. Finnish M39--While I had always felt this rifle was comfortable, I'm finding that it fits me much better than I thought. It's my only rifle that feels extremely natural in prone, sitting, and standing. The sights are good enough and it shoots like a laser beam. The downsides: it's sling isn't the greatest to use for support, and its action is awkward to work in prone position. It also required a tallsight.

2. US M1 Garand--Has it all as far as milsurps go. Fully adjustable aperture sights, a sling meant to be shot with, easy clip loading, and its semi-automatic action means you can maintain your strongly-supported shooting position. With my 57 year old USGI rifle and 38 year old Greek ammo I was competitive with other shooters of my experience level using rebuilt M1s, new ARs, M1As, and handloads. Not the best-fitting rifle for me in any position, but always near the top. If I had to pick one milsurp, it's the M1 without hesitation.

3. Swedish M96--My favorite rifle from prone position. I never really "got" this rifle until I shot it from prone. Its action is one of the few that's easy to manipulate while maintaining your shooting position. Of course it's accurate and precise. Mine even has one of the micrometer sights.

Some rifles that have fallen from the pedestal I'd put them on:

1. Swiss K31--My favorite rifle off the bench. Extremely accurate and precise as everyone already knows--if a grasshopper lands near your target, you can shoot it. That said, I can't find any position that feels right with this rifle. Prone, sitting, standing, hunting-style standing, with sling support, without sling support--none work for me.

2. US 1903-A3--This rifle somehow manages to feel like a superb target rifle and a flimsy POS at the same time. It shoots well from the three high-power positions. I'd like to put a scant stock on it. My rifle is probably a candidate for counterboring--the muzzle is pitted, but the rest of the bore is incredibly bright, sharp, and the throat is fine. I still think it has big potential for me (but equally big potential to be a letdown).

3. German K98k--Love this rifle when shooting from a hunting-style position. In other positions it's just so mediocre in my hands.

4. Soviet Mosin-Nagant 91/30--This one was new to my collection. It took my spotter and I nearly 25 shots to get a rough zero. Once we moved to a much closer range we saw it was hitting way high and to the right. I drifted the front sight nearly a quarter inch to get the windage correct. This rifle is precise, however, and it's fairly comfortable. I have a Tikka 91/30 which might have set my expectations a bit too high.

Other rifles have also been in the mix, but my opinion of them hasn't really changed.

So, which military surplus rifle or rifles fit you best, THR? I'm interested to hear not just the make and model, but the reasoning behind your choices.
 
-M1 garand- shoots well in all positions.
-03A3- Prefer it over the M1 for all positions, I like the narrow sight blade a lot more than the wide frotn sight on the M1. Recoil gets to be tiresome from prone postion though. I agree with the 'flimsy' statement- the sights seem to be some of the least robust ever put on a military rifle.
-Swedish mauser 96- I agree with the assessment above about shooting it prone, its just hard to shoot standing, has a weird balance.
-Persian 98/29, balances really well standing, good in any position, the sights are very easy to use versus other mauser 98 sights- the front sight ears kind of frame the target.
-Enfields- never seem to fit me correctly, maybe I'm just getting ones with buttstocks too short for me.
Russian Mosins- They handle well for me standing, but aren't accurate enough for anything but plinking.
 
So far,

1. M39. Accurate, great trigger, cheap to shoot and built like a tank. Mine's got a worn bore, but still shoots nicely. It's a pain to clean, but for some reason I always end up grabbing it when I go to the range.
2. K31. Very accurate, fantastic trigger, fast action and good sights. It's too expensive to shoot very often however, so this one rarely goes with me.
3. 2A1. Reasonably accurate, very fast action, but not cheap to shoot.
4. MN 91/30. Sights are decent, rifle is robust, ammo is cheap. If you've got a good one they are a nice rifle to shoot and some are fairly accurate. Others...
5. SKS. A nice rugged semi-auto. Kind of big and heavy though considering the cartridge.
6. MN 44 & 38. Like the 91/30 but not as nice to shoot. Shorter sight radius and way more muzzle blast.
7. K98 & M24/47. I don't really care for Mausers. I don't like the sight picture and I don't like the fact that they seem to shoot 4 to 6 inches high at 100 yards.
 
Finn Tikka M27 Ski trooper - what a Mosin was meant to be. Good trigger.
M1a- I honestly find them a little chunky and the mag hangs down too long.
SKS- Perfect with a slip on buttpad.
M44- great until I pull the trigger, then it's just hanging on for dear life
SVT40- It's like an SKS but with a proper length of pull from the factory and it fires THE rifle round 7.62x54R.
 
K31 is my most accurate
1917 would be the most likely to be a good combat rifle
Mosin nagants are my most fun to shoot. ( 91/30's, M44's, T53's)
SKS Yugo is a good range runner
 
I've owned them all from Swedes, Finns to Swiss. AG42's to SMLE's by far the best of the bunch in ergonomics and accuracy is the French MAS36
 
I too am a lover of my m1 garand. However, the one that fits and shoots the best for me is my M1a Loaded. It just feels perfect.
 
Mosin-Nagant M44.

Cheap.
Reliable.
Ugly.
Built like a tank.
Cheap to feed.
Not the most accurate out there.
Always has something sharp on it.
Loud.

All of the above apply to both the Mosin and me. :D
 
guys

M1A's are NOT milsurps. sorry. they aren't. even their parent design (m14) isn't milsurp.

at least commercial produced SKS's parent design is milsurp
 
Lee Enfields, Model 1917s and M1 Garands are the best for me. The most common problem I run into with other rifles is they have insufficient drop so I either end up looking at the sights through the top of my glasses or the stock beats the hell out of my cheek bone.
 
SMLE, though I do admit the stock is a bit short for me, but definitely manageable. Very fast action, very good shooter, plus she's just plain pretty :)

-Jenrick
 
I really like my M1 Garand. It is currently the only Mil Surp rifle I own. That will change someday... I have shot a K31 and I really enjoyed it, but the ammo is a bit expensive. My K31 experience is this: I dang near shot out the X ring at 50 yards my first (and so far only) time shooting one. I have absolutely no doubt that I could do about as well at longer ranges with it. The fit of that particular rifle wasn't bad at all.

That being said, I have a lot more shooting to do before I decide on what MilSurp rifles will fill out my small collection while not pissing off the wife too much.
 
Virtually all of the surplus rifles I've owned have had a length of pull way too short for me. That's not a huge issue, IMO. I have the same problem with the standard-dimension stocks on commercial shotguns and rifles, just to a lesser degree.

So I adapt. To paraphrase the Linda Hunt character in "Silverado": "If the world doesn't fit you, make alterations."

When I was a young man back in the '60's the easiest and least expensive surplus rifle to adapt to get a better fit was the SMLE. Four butt stocks of different lengths could be had cheaply on the surplus market. IIRC, one could buy a nice example of all four for less than the cost of one aftermarket 'sporter' stock set.

With the exception of my Garand, all of the surplus rifles I shoot a lot for grins have a slip-on or other NG pad/extension of one brand or another on them. The M1 has a Fajen laminated stock set I bought when they were being closed-out from Midway. Its LOP is nearly 1/2" longer than standard which is close enough for me to make-do with quite well.
 
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