Who doesn’t own/like AR’s?

[mcb]

Let's see you shove that AR in a saddle scabbard there, cowboy.

35W

I have a scabbard for my AR that rides with me on my UTV.

 

[Styx]

Right. If one doesn't French kiss the ejection ports of their AR's, they're Fudds.

I don't recall saying that. The very definition of Fudds and Fudd guns are the type of guns you and others prefer which are typically older fashioned looking revolvers, bolt action guns, etc. (Nothing wrong with that FYI) Fudds also typically aren't into semiauto tactical rifles, red dots, and the more modern stuff. Just like the very definition of "Tacticool" guys only like the high capacity tactical handguns with the nic nacs on them, and they bash the older stuff. As I stated, I am a mixture of both, so I'm not bashing either types of firearms.

All around rifle?? Really?? For what?? What can you hunt with an AR? Long distance shooting of what? Elk? Elephants? Paper? Can I get an AR chambered in 300 WM so I can elk hunt with it? Or does just carrying an AR, regardless of the cartridge for which it's chambered, make it an awesome hunting rifle that will kill any beast that walks the planet?

Yes, you can buy an AR in 300 WM and just about every handgun and rifle caliber that is available. You can get a 50 BMG in the AR platform as well.... My point was that everything you can do with a bolt action rifle from target shooting, hunting a variety of animals, or what have you can also be done with an AR.

No one's bashing AR's, but geez, these irrational AR's-can-do-anything threads get so old, perpetuated by people who spend more time talking about hunting and shooting than actually doing it.

35W

The AR platform is very versatile, and can do most most things other platforms can do. I'm not sure why that upsets you. Even though a bolt action maybe better suited, you can still successfully do everything you can do with a bolt action rifle in the AR platform; however, when transferring to defensive/offensive situations and/or getting multiple shots on target fast, a bolt action cannot keep up.

 

[KY DAN]

To me they are a utilitarian tool, I prefer lever action rifles in big bore calibers.

My back and neck and general nervous system prevents me from shooting these items.... if I could ever get healed and well I would shoot them again.

However there is no healing going to happen and my condition won't get better even with surgery and physical therapy so I am left with a ar15 to shoot.

 

[Old Dog]

No one's bashing AR's,

All righty then. You must be reading a different thread. Seven pages thus far.

If one doesn't French kiss the ejection ports of their AR's, they're Fudds.

I must have missed that post, sounds awfully provocative...

these irrational AR's-can-do-anything threads get so old, perpetuated by people who spend more time talking about hunting and shooting than actually doing it.

Aside from the fact that most of us -- even some of us who've carried guns professionally through our lifetimes, hunt regularly, shoot in competition and practically live on our ranges -- spend far more time talking and writing on the internet about hunting and shooting than actually doing it...

I'm not seeing anything in the thread I'd term "irrational" and I have seen some folks pointing out that ARs can do more than mag dumps and play in contrived gun games.

Whoa. Some of y'all take this stuff way too seriously (and personally, even).

Yet another THR thread that has long since jumped the shark.

 

[35 Whelen]

I don't recall saying that. The very definition of Fudds and Fudd guns are the type of guns you and others prefer which are typically older fashioned looking revolvers, bolt action guns, etc.

Awww....you've been searching my posts, haven't you?

35W

 

[NR53]

I really like the AR platform, and semi auto firearms, whether they be rifles, shotguns. or handguns. I own nearly 2 dozen AR 15's in various calibers. I like to build them, shoot them and reload for them. I had them in the military back in the 70's and thought they were just OK. I'm in my 70's, retired, and think they're great fun. I shoot at least two of them every weekend, rain or shine, and have been doing so for decades. I have used nothing but AR 15 rifles deer hunting for the last 15 years or so, and have taken many deer with them, chambered in 6.8spc and 7.62x39.

I've built over 3 dozen of them, some for friends and family. They are easy to build, and can be very accurate. All of them, save two, have 2 stage triggers. I only use 10 round mags, leaving the 30 round mags for home defense. I've got plenty of wood and blued steel, but most just seem to sit in the safe.

They're not for everybody, but I like 'em.

 

[LoonWulf]

AR in 300 WM

SFAR in 6.5cm and the XL frames in 7mag are probably the next ARs I play with.


Edit: Actually......i think the 7PRC might get the nod on this one....

 

[Pat Riot]

Like @Styx I like all kinds of guns. I have wood and blue steel guns and I have polymer stocked Cerakoted guns. I truly like every gun I own (except for a Davis derringer that I can’t give away)

One thing that I will say puts the AR type rifles in a unique category is if I have a bad barrel or a part breaks or fails I can easily swap out those components in my gun room myself. I don’t need to send the gun to someone. I don’t need to scour the internet looking for parts that have long been discontinued by the manufacturer. That is a big plus for AR styled guns.

If my Winchester 94 had a broken carrier or worn link I may have a problem. If I need a barrel for my Marlin 336 I may be able to find one but if I do, I have to ship it somewhere to get the barrel changed.

Now, am I going to dump those two rifles to buy ARs to replace them? Heck No!

 

[Oldschool shooter]

I own one, don't particularly like it, but don't hate it either. Accurate, dependable, but to these old eyes, ugly. I admit I am a walnut and blue steel guy. I will also admit that if I had to carry a rifle all day long for maybe days, like our military has to, the AR and its' light weight would get the nod. I am a practical hard head.

 

[mcb]

As someone who uses the term Fudd when I think it is warranted I would say the term Fudd is getting thrown around here and it doesn't really apply for the most part.

There are no Fudd guns only Fudd gun owners. Fudds are gun owners that are willing to give up the AR style guns and similar in a belief it will save their more tradition hunting firearms. The term Fudd is about selfish traditionalist that are willing to sacrafice large aspects of the second amendment rights in a mistaken attempt to save/protect their right to hunt.

Whether you do or do not like ARs does not define you as a Fudd. You're a Fudd if you think someone else should not own an AR because you mistakenly believe that others owning ARs or similar is jeopardizing you right to hunt and own traditional hunting guns. Fudd is about attitude towards rights not hardware.

 

[BreechFace]

As someone who uses the term Fudd when I think it is warranted I would say the term Fudd is getting thrown around here and it doesn't really apply for the most part.

There are no Fudd guns only Fudd gun owners. Fudds are gun owners that are willing to give up the AR style guns and similar in a belief it will save their more tradition hunting firearms. The term Fudd is about selfish traditionalist that are willing to sacrafice large aspects of the second amendment rights in a mistaken attempt to save/protect their right to hunt.

Whether you do or do not like ARs does not define you as a Fudd. Your a Fudd if you think someone else should not own an AR because you mistakenly believe that others owning ARs or similar is jeopardizing you right to hunt and own traditional hunting guns. Fudd is about attitude towards rights not hardware.

Agree, there are most definitely “Fudd” gun owners and they don’t deserve to own guns period as in my definition of the word they would do just what the anti-2A groups would do and provide a death by 1,000 cuts to our rights. I’m not hearing any naysayers of AR’s here suggest people should give up their AR’s.

 

[dranrab]

I leave with all of mine, and even after Ive been running around while I shoot.

I refuse to use a grass catcher on my lawn mower. I'll be double damned if I am going to use one on my ARs.

 

[Snidely70431]

I sort of feel the same way about bolt rifles, they are really only good for shooting targets at the range, playing long range games, and for shooting the big heavy magnums. I own several but they are only used for target shooting or if I travel somewhere to hunt that an AR wouldn't be legal to use.

.All wars fought between 1900 and WWII were fought mainly with bolt guns.

 

[BreechFace]

.All wars fought between 1900 and WWII were fought mainly with bolt guns.

And no wars since then have been fought with bolt guns.

 

[Snidely70431]

I went through Basic Training with an M1, was issued an M14 my first tour in Germany. My first tour in RVN I mostly carried an M79 and a .45 1911A1. Second tour I was issued an M16 for guard duty. Never did like the things, still don't. I refuse to go to the range, because there are mostly idiots dumping mag after mag out of AR's and AK's, and not improving their shooting skills one iota (well, changing mags, maybe). Can't stand the noise.

 

[mcb]

Agree, there are most definitely “Fudd” gun owners and they don’t deserve to own guns period as in my definition of the word they would do just what the anti-2A groups would do and provide a death by 1,000 cuts to our rights. I’m not hearing any naysayers of AR’s here suggest people should give up their AR’s.

Exactly and that was why I posted that post. I have not seen any Fudds in the thread but the term was getting used in reference to hardware which I think just angers people unnecessarily since the term is really about people and their attitudes and not the particular hardware.

 

[BreechFace]

I refuse to go to the range, because there are mostly idiots dumping mag after mag out of AR's and AK's, and not improving their shooting skills one iota (well, changing mags, maybe). Can't stand the noise.

First of all thank you for your service!

The last part above sounds like a range issue. These ranges need to be organized where there is a firing line that isn’t for double taps and recoil management on semi-autos.

Simply put there needs to be some separation of shooting skills for the betterment of the range experience.

The fact of the matter is the use of an AR for defensive purposes puts a persons training needs into higher speed manipulation of the firearm. In regards to trigger/safety manipulation, double taps, failure drills, magazine changes and getting off the “X” shoot and move drills. All of that requires noise, often perceived by many at the range as unnecessary and stupid.

Now no doubt there are those as you describe just turning money into noise, and you know what that’s great, that’s a free America and the sound of a healthy 2nd Amendment. Could/Should there be a place on the range for such activities, absolutely.

So I would challenge us all to be a part of the solution and help create a better range with structure that encourages all aspects of firearm ownership as the range can allow. Including “mag dumps into dirt berms, steel plates, whatever. As long as safety is a priority then who is it harming?

I will agree, it doesn’t make for a great day at the range no doubt when you have a 10” 5.56 under an over head canopy going off in rapid succession while one is trying to control one’s breathing for a precision shot.

 

[Snidely70431]

First of all thank you for your service!

The last part above sounds like a range issue. These ranges need to be organized where there is a firing line that isn’t for double taps and recoil management on semi-autos.

Simply put there needs to be some separation of shooting skills for the betterment of the range experience.

The fact of the matter is the use of an AR for defensive purposes puts a persons training needs into higher speed manipulation of the firearm. In regards to trigger/safety manipulation, double taps, failure drills, magazine changes and getting off the “X” shoot and move drills. All of that requires noise, often perceived by many at the range as unnecessary and stupid.

Now no doubt there are those as you describe just turning money into noise, and you know what that’s great, that’s a free America and the sound of a healthy 2nd Amendment. Could/Should there be a place on the range for such activities, absolutely.

So I would challenge us all to be a part of the solution and help create a better range with structure that encourages all aspects of firearm ownership as the range can allow. Including “mag dumps into dirt berms, steel plates, whatever. As long as safety is a priority then who is it harming?

I will agree, it doesn’t make for a great day at the range no doubt when you have a 10” 5.56 under an over head canopy going off in rapid succession while one is trying to control one’s breathing for a precision shot.

Another pet peeve is being on the down side of the ejection port of an AR or AK shooter who is doing mag dumps.

 

[someguy2800]

Right. If one doesn't French kiss the ejection ports of their AR's, they're Fudds.

All around rifle?? Really?? For what?? What can you hunt with an AR? Long distance shooting of what? Elk? Elephants? Paper? Can I get an AR chambered in 300 WM so I can elk hunt with it? Or does just carrying an AR, regardless of the cartridge for which it's chambered, make it an awesome hunting rifle that will kill any beast that walks the planet?

No one's bashing AR's, but geez, these irrational AR's-can-do-anything threads get so old, perpetuated by people who spend more time talking about hunting and shooting than actually doing it.

35W

You absolutely can get an AR in 300 win mag. Even 458 win mag. Is a 300 win mag AR a practical and reasonable choice? No not really.

For those of us that do like them there are plenty of small and medium frame AR chamberings thst are perfectly suitable for deer, elk, moose, black bear at normal hunting ranges. The world extends farther than your eyes see, but I’m not asking you to walk with me to see it.

 

[Snidely70431]

BTW, I am a 2d Amendment purist. Just because I don't like something does not mean somebody else should not be allowed to own it. IMHO, it has nothing to do with hunting. It is a check on governmental power, which is why the statists hate it.

 

[DMW1116]

Another pet peeve is being on the down side of the ejection port of an AR or AK shooter who is doing mag dumps.

I bring a jug or bucket, just in case I'm in that situation. I normally won't catch brass until after the first bounce, but there are exceptions.

 

[Snidely70431]

I don't own one because I live in a commie state. I could've bought one years ago, when a full-featured AR was legal (of course it would now have to be registered), but my initial rifle purchases were traditional hunting rifles. Now I won't buy one because I have no interest in a neutered AR. Maybe if I ever escape this dump.

We live here so our children will know their grandparents and extended family. I'd like to leave as soon as they are grown, but that will be another 10 years. I'm trying to engineer a family migration and am looking at UT, ID, and WY (I would like to include MT and CO, but it looks like they are or will be no better than NY by the time I would be able to move). #1 will be off to college in '24 and her first choice is out in the rockies. If #2 chooses to head that way, then the family migration will be in motion!

Think of Louisiana, if you can stand the heat. In 2012 we passed a constitutional amendment to strengthen 2d Amendment rights in the state, I think by 70%.

 

[35 Whelen]

I went through Basic Training with an M1, was issued an M14 my first tour in Germany. My first tour in RVN I mostly carried an M79 and a .45 1911A1. Second tour I was issued an M16 for guard duty. Never did like the things, still don't. I refuse to go to the range, because there are mostly idiots dumping mag after mag out of AR's and AK's, and not improving their shooting skills one iota (well, changing mags, maybe). Can't stand the noise.

I've had my own range here at the house for almost 20 years. Until a range fire destroyed my 600 yd. target stand, I allowed the local 4-H shooting team to come out, with their AR-15's, and practice their prone slow before their annual trek to Camp Perry. I enjoyed watching them and even spotted for them. But there were a couple of buddies who soured me; one with a bump stock who sprayed bullets all over hells half acre, another who "mag dumped" one of my steel targets with tracers when I told him to NOT shoot the steel with tracers (we were under horrid drought conditions and those active tracers were ricocheting all over the pasture)and a smattering of others whose only interest was to see how quickly they could empty magazines.

35W

 

[Snidely70431]

I'll take a shot at that question.
I've got a bolt gun that holds as much ammo, less expensive, and feels better in my hands and on my shoulder.
I don't own one yet because I've prioritized my funds for things I like more. If the day comes I have a grand or so burning holes in my wallet, I might look at one if my boat doesn't need anything.
I just don't gravitate toward them.

Boat: a hole in the water surrounded by wood into which one throws money.

 

[mcb]

Right. If one doesn't French kiss the ejection ports of their AR's, they're Fudds.

All around rifle?? Really?? For what?? What can you hunt with an AR? Long distance shooting of what? Elk? Elephants? Paper? Can I get an AR chambered in 300 WM so I can elk hunt with it? Or does just carrying an AR, regardless of the cartridge for which it's chambered, make it an awesome hunting rifle that will kill any beast that walks the planet?

No one's bashing AR's, but geez, these irrational AR's-can-do-anything threads get so old, perpetuated by people who spend more time talking about hunting and shooting than actually doing it.

35W

See my previous post on the term Fudd, I have not seen any Fudds in this thread yet: https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/who-doesn’t-own-like-ar’s.926044/post-12787053

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AR_platform_cartridges

This link is a list of well over 100 different cartridges (SAAMI, proprietary, and relatively common wildcats) that have been chambered in variations on the AR-15, AR-10 and similar rifles based on that operation system. In best cases these different chamberings often require only a change of barrel. In other cases it requires change of barrel, bolt and/or magazine. A few of them use proprietary uppers on standard AR-15/10 lowers, and a handful of the largest and smallest cartridges use a rifle that in nearly completely proprietary but is directly based on the AR but scale up to accommodate the extreme cartridges.

My modest personal collection is only five cartridges in AR's all AR-15 but they would let me hunt any creature in North America short of game birds that require the use of a shotgun.


Left to right:
22 LR: proprietary barrel, bolt and magazine
223/556: the original AR-15 cartridge.
300 AAC Blackout: proprietary barrel and (depending on ammo) magazines.
30 Remington AR, nearly the entire upper is proprietary along with a funky magazine.
450 Bushmaster, modified upper, proprietary barrel, and bolt. (standard 20rd and shorter magazines work unmodified in most cases)

If I desired I could take anything from squirrel to moose (Rocky and Bullwinkle are not pleased with me ) with one of these small selection of cartridges from an AR-15. If I picked one of the shotgun uppers I could literally hunt nearly all species we commonly hunt in North America with one lower.