Who likes AK type rifles?

Decades ago I bought several different AK and SKS rifles. Mostly for kids deer hunting. The only one that wasn't horrible in accuracy was a Saiga with a side mount scope and high quality brass case hunting ammo. They are what they are. Claiming that they are accurate or effective at long range is fooling yourself. If you are happy with that good. If the guns and ammo were still cheap I would maybe have another. For the money there's lots to choose from.
 
I'm not a big fan of the AK, and IMO the SKS is far worse. My experience is a bit dated as I sold both off in the late 90s or early oughts. FWIW I guess I'm not really a huge AR fan, either, despite being a big lover "black rifles". No one wants 1/4 drill bit, they just want 1/4" holes. That's how I view rifles. Some I love on an emotional level but for the most part I just want to place a bullet where I want it to go. For me the AK makes most things I want to do more difficult than they need to be. It's a real PITA to mount on an optic on an AK, a step that is pretty much mandatory for me to be able to shoot a long gun well. I'm in my mid-fifties with astigmatism in my dominant eye and I need bifocals to read; this makes iron sights a complete non-starter for me in all but ideal situations. I dislike the mag catch and find the safety to be very non-ergonomic on the AK. I suppose most of my complaints apply equally to all battle rifles designed "back in the day" before lights and optics were the standard and the norm. And I suppose the concept of ergonomics was created well after WW2. For me any center fire long gun needs to have some ability to serve as a fighting gun so I consider a WML to be essentially mandatory. There are ways to mount one on an AK, same as an optic, but they're afterthoughts. While I'm not a passionate fan of the AR, it's designed to do everything I want a carbine to do, out of the box. My main knocks on the AR are the 90 degree throw on the safety (easy enough to change I guess) and the goofy charging handle which is much more awkward than side charging like my Bren or the charger-and-bolt-release system of an MP5 or Scorpion.

My particular AK was not every accurate, little better than my early Mini-14, and not particularly fun to shoot. I kind of like the 7.62x39 cartridge as I think it was a great achievement in compromise, balancing recoil with terminal effect and weight vs capacity. But there are plenty of other rifles nowadays if you want x39; I went with a PWS Mk116 Mod 1. While I love the rifle, recent developments (aka the bad actions of Russia leading to sanctions banning the importation of their ammo) has resulted in my main reason for liking the x39 to begin to evaporate- cheap steel ammo. More and more I find myself shooting .300 Blackout instead, and it has the advantage of far more and better commercial loadings vs the x39.

In summary I don't find much to like about the AK. For me it does a worse job at virtually everything I want vs other more modern carbines, and it actively works against the user. Maybe I'm just lazy but I prefer easy, off-the-shelf options for stuff like lights and optics, which are few and far between for the AK. But I don't have any real negative emotions for the AK, it's just that I've been there and done than and it didn't really do anything for me. Still, it's a rugged and reliable arm and I can see why others might like it, especially if they value different things than I do.
 
They don't appeal to me. I think because they are ugly and utilitarian, which is their purpose. Also, like others have said, not very accurate or for long range.
 
They don't appeal to me. I think because they are ugly and utilitarian, which is their purpose. Also, like others have said, not very accurate or for long range.
Sounds like how I feel about most people I've met.:eek::p
I personally like the funkiness of the AK platform. It does what it was designed to do quite well.
 
I disagree with those who say the AK cannot be an accurate platform. Is it as good as others, no of course not, but it can be better than what a lot of people believe. This video shows a WBP Jack with a chrome lined barrel using iron sights ringing steel out to 300 yards with relative ease and getting hits at 400 yards. The accuracy testing starts at about 6:50.

 
I disagree with those who say the AK cannot be an accurate platform. Is it as good as others, no of course not, but it can be better than what a lot of people believe. This video shows a WBP Jack with a chrome lined barrel using iron sights ringing steel out to 300 yards with relative ease and getting hits at 400 yards. The accuracy testing starts at about 6:50.



With my 5.45 id be shocked if I missed a 300 yard 12x24. It wouldn't be MOA perhaps but even with sportsmans choice (cheap Russia steel case) I shot groundhog at 150. Don't recall ever missing one.

I bought an AR after and use it simply because its a better optic host and the ammo is easily reloadable.

With a decent scope mount my 5.45 AKs would shoot better than my FN and Colt ARs. Nowhere near my white oak or other more accurate ones.

I've shot many sks and a mini 30 that I'd be shocked if I HIT a target at all at 300. Ever
 
I like to keep a few around. Maadi, Hungarian, PolyTech.

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Wow, thats got to be the prettiest Maadi Ive ever seen!
Mine shot great, but looked like a painted 2x4 with rusty nails sticking out of it.... :D

Love the Norinco Spiker too. :thumbup:

I'd wanted a Spiker since I first saw them.

When I bought the Poly it was the most I'd ever spent on a gun...around $2,000. I can't say that after getting into HK's!
 
At one time, 30-40 years ago, I was interested in getting an AK, but they just do not live up to any accuracy standards.

I have a couple $100 SKS's from the 1989's and that is close enough to a 7.62x39 rifle I care to own.

As Col. Whelen said, "only accurate rifles are interesting".
You would have liked the Saiga's perhaps. To me it was almost an SKS/AK hybrid because of the traditional stock and lack of pistol grip. Even after I swapped mine over to a pistol grip, it would hands down outshoot any Romy, Maadi, Chinese Type 56 or Norinco SKS I ever shot. It would handily outshoot my mini 30. That Saiga was one accurate sumbitch.....
 
The AK can be accuratized. The M76 and its 54r brother are proof. It does require hardening the receiver and trunnion to remove excess whip.
 
You would have liked the Saiga's perhaps. To me it was almost an SKS/AK hybrid because of the traditional stock and lack of pistol grip. Even after I swapped mine over to a pistol grip, it would hands down outshoot any Romy, Maadi, Chinese Type 56 or Norinco SKS I ever shot. It would handily outshoot my mini 30. That Saiga was one accurate sumbitch.....
Well yes sorta. The only accurate AK type was a Saiga. I did have another brand that was sold as a hunting rifle configured the same way but not accurate. By Saiga accurate I mean 3 MOA. Normal hunting rifle accuracy to me is 1 MOA including AR's. Under 2 MOA for other semi-autos.
 
Well yes sorta. The only accurate AK type was a Saiga. I did have another brand that was sold as a hunting rifle configured the same way but not accurate. By Saiga accurate I mean 3 MOA. Normal hunting rifle accuracy to me is 1 MOA including AR's. Under 2 MOA for other semi-autos.
I never properly measured accuracy in any reliable way, but at 50 yards off a bag I could get a nice group, some touching with the Saiga, with all others it would look more like a nice buckshot pattern. No scientific method, just a casual observation more or less...
 
I picked up the PSA "blemished" one and I like it just fine. Added a red dot and it is capable of 2-2.5 inch groups at 100 yds. Much better trigger than any AK I've ever owned.

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You would have liked the Saiga's perhaps. To me it was almost an SKS/AK hybrid because of the traditional stock and lack of pistol grip. Even after I swapped mine over to a pistol grip, it would hands down outshoot any Romy, Maadi, Chinese Type 56 or Norinco SKS I ever shot. It would handily outshoot my mini 30. That Saiga was one accurate sumbitch.....
Laughs in Vepr. Heavy barrel and thicker RPK receiver equals better accuracy.
 
Many of us, including three buddies at the private gun club, enjoy reliable rifles which have plenty of character.

We don’t even try for ‘tight groups’ (seldom use a “paper” target) as such groups are impossible to determine with our reactive targets.

A shattered clay pigeon at 50 yards with a 7.62x39 cartridge or a “thump” from a metal plate at 200 yards with my Imbel FAL (.308) is all we need to have fun.

My many rifles have never had a scope. It’s the basic, somewhat old-fashioned notion of simple shooting with iron sights, as if there were ‘ no tomorrow’ and we don’t need to impress anybody.

If nothing else- spray orange spots on a berm in case they don’t want :eek:to see tiny debris bits from clay pigeons…
 
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