redneck2
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If you eliminate duplicate cartridges, about 90% of the rifle racks would be empty
Couldn't have said it better. Appreciate your time.Likewise. Dont like the thread? Don't click on the thread.
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Why the self imposed restriction?
The only thing that a 450 Bushmaster, 458 SOCOM and 50 Beowulf bring to the table is the ability to give similar ballistics to the 45/70 out of an AR-15 action. That alone, is pretty impressive. If you are happy with your lever action, there’s no need to buy another rifle. Your 45/70 actually does everything better than the 450 Bushmaster as far as the cartridges are concerned. Some people just prefer semiautos and I don’t know of a semiauto 45/70.
Who Needs 450 Bushmaster When There's The 45-70?
Course then you might as well consider a .458 WinchesterReload the 45-70 in a modern firearm and it walks away from both.
the 45-70 does things with lower pressure than the other newer .452-458 cartiges, my .460 ruger # 1 operates in the 50,000-60,000 psi ranges.
I have loaded what I call class 4 loads in my Siamese mauser. They duplicated some 458wm loads. Now I just use a mild to warm class 2 marlin load. The hot ones just give me headaches when I shoot to many.Course then you might as well consider a .458 Winchester
Unless of course the action in use does better with a rimmed cartridge, then I'd opt for a .450/400!
the 45-70 does things with lower pressure than the other newer .452-458 cartiges, my .460 ruger # 1 operates in the 50,000-60,000 psi ranges.
That 338 Lapua Magnum is a 61,000 psia round. That is too hot, in my opinion, for a gas gun mechanism, but, its the power that sells, and everyone ignores the potential for malfunctions.
These threads - whining as they are - make no sense to me. If a .45-70 is great and you like it - which it is and you should - then poo-pooing a comparable round to feel better about your personal toy is nothing above childish. Heavy hitters, such we call them, are popular. Not everyone wants a levergun - but a .45-70 won’t fit nor feed from an AR, so a mini-length version was created which does and will.
Not so dissimilar to the relationship between a .45 colt revolver and a 1911 pistol, a hundred years before. A new package, a semiauto nonetheless, came available, wrapped around a cartridge with relatively similar performance, but in a smaller case. Certainly many folks booed and hissed at the change from a Service Revolver to a 1911 at the time, especially considering none were even shooting a single action 45 colt revolver any longer, but rather were trading a double action 38spcl or 357mag for the 1911. But a hundred years later, that disdain is forgotten and the 1911 is now a “classic,” and the venerable .45acp vaunted for its stopping power prowess...
So today, we have someone who enjoys his old 45-70, but feels insecure that a cartridge, more than a decade on the market, is threatening similar performance, wrapped in a completely different format of firearm. Leverguns will never again be as popular as the AR-15, so the discussion of 450b vs. 45-70 isn’t really about the ballistic similarities, and pretending it is such is just naive.
I appreciate there really are folks out there who believe we should all be shooting the same 6 cartridges and same 6 firearms and all wearing the same boots, driving the same trucks, eating the same meals. I also appreciate that I don’t call any of them my friends. Many cartridges live happily at my bench, and many firearms chambered for them.
Good post. But your entire point could have been summed up with a single meme...
Some folks put way too much thought into simple things, simple questions. Like someone earlier said, don't like the thread then............ ehM But rather, I don’t care for grown-ass men sitting around pouting about new cartridges (not even new in this case) or new firearms which make them feel insecure about the firearms and cartridges they own, and I don’t care for the attention seeking behavior by which they post these threads to get pandered to and placated by other Luddites who share the same fear of obsolescence.
So if there were a meme for how I feel about this type of thread, it would be:
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If a .45-70 is great and you like it - which it is and you should - then poo-pooing a comparable round to feel better about your personal toy is nothing above childish.
Also says you need more toys.
But rather, I don’t care for grown-ass men sitting around pouting about new cartridges (not even new in this case) or new firearms which make them feel insecure about the firearms and cartridges they own, and I don’t care for the attention seeking behavior by which they post these threads to get pandered to and placated by other Luddites who share the same fear of obsolescence.
there is nothing wrong with old guys complaining about also-ran cartridges coming out when they already have a closet full of classics. It should be expected.
Too hot, when the second most popular and second most prevalent semiauto rifle cartridge in the world, behind the 223/5.56, is a 62,000psi round? And it’s predecessor a 60,000psi round?