bluetopper
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Why is the 6.5 Creedmoor cartridge getting a lot of attention and the 260 Remington is not?
Why 6.5 CM and not 260?
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I am reading this article right now:
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-creedmoor-260-done-right/?p=4
http://demigodllc.com/articles/6.5-creedmoor-260-done-right/?p=4
The .260 Remington doesn't have a big advocate like Hornady marketing it hard like the 6.5CM.
The CM case was designed to handle heavier bullets a bit better, but as H&Hhunter eluded to, their ballistics are essential identical.
It may just come down to rifle selection - the one you want is available in one, but not the other.
FWIW, Lapua recently starting making .260 Remington, but not 6.5CM brass. From what I've gathered, the availability of Lapua .260 Rem brass has made a bit of dent in the positive slope of 6.5CM popularity among LR shooters.
The CM case was designed to handle heavier bullets a bit better, but as H&Hhunter eluded to, their ballistics are essential identical.
It may just come down to rifle selection - the one you want is available in one, but not the other.
FWIW, Lapua recently starting making .260 Remington, but not 6.5CM brass. From what I've gathered, the availability of Lapua .260 Rem brass has made a bit of dent in the positive slope of 6.5CM popularity among LR shooters.
I think it's the cool name as well, not to mention as posted Hornady pushing it down the yellow brick road.
On another note read over the 30TC, everything is negative towards the 30TC compared to the 308 win, and beyond negative it's criticized harshly. All the cool names aside the 30TC is to 308 win as the 6.5 creedmoor is to 260 rem.
I have read how the 6.5CM secrete is the 30* shoulder some how increases barrel life, calls the accuracy fairy down each time the trigger is pulled etc, 30* shoulder is nice, maybe offers some small advantage some how when a lot of money is invested into a platform, but I have not seen any advantage. I have 260 rem, 308 win, 30TC I like them all, and would add a 6.5CM to safe if I run into good deal knowing that it doesn't offer anything over the 260 rem except the creedmoor name.
If only manufactures had pushed the 260 rem as they have the 6.5CM a lot of happy hunters both young, and old would have benefited. The 6.5 caliber is just perfect in my opinion, and my experience for deer hunting, and crosses over for a true dual purpose small game/varmint round for coyote and such critters.
On another note read over the 30TC, everything is negative towards the 30TC compared to the 308 win, and beyond negative it's criticized harshly. All the cool names aside the 30TC is to 308 win as the 6.5 creedmoor is to 260 rem.
I have read how the 6.5CM secrete is the 30* shoulder some how increases barrel life, calls the accuracy fairy down each time the trigger is pulled etc, 30* shoulder is nice, maybe offers some small advantage some how when a lot of money is invested into a platform, but I have not seen any advantage. I have 260 rem, 308 win, 30TC I like them all, and would add a 6.5CM to safe if I run into good deal knowing that it doesn't offer anything over the 260 rem except the creedmoor name.
If only manufactures had pushed the 260 rem as they have the 6.5CM a lot of happy hunters both young, and old would have benefited. The 6.5 caliber is just perfect in my opinion, and my experience for deer hunting, and crosses over for a true dual purpose small game/varmint round for coyote and such critters.
The answer is that the creedmoor works better with longer bullets in box magazines and works better in gas guns. A lot of people do like he 30* shoulder too. While the ballistics are virtually identical you have to have an extremely short throat in 260 to get the bullets near the lands. The long bullets have to be seated deep so the base winds up past the neck shoulder junction which a lot of people believe effects accuracy negatively in theory. It also takes up some of the powder capacity.
The 260 has the edge in brass availability and quality. Partly because there's so dang much 243win brass out there that takes about 5 seconds to neck up to 260rem. 7-08 and 308 can be necked down with slightly more effort.
The 260 has the edge in brass availability and quality. Partly because there's so dang much 243win brass out there that takes about 5 seconds to neck up to 260rem. 7-08 and 308 can be necked down with slightly more effort.
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The Creedmoor has a different shoulder angle which should extend case life, case is slightly shorter to perform better in a short action or gas gun. Those two things are why people are going to the Creedmoor. If you're not limited by a short action, then it's up to you as to which to pick...
taliv said:
Ya think?
The entry in the Hornady reloading manual for the .260 Remington is pretty generic, pretty much just indicating it's another .308 derivative.
In contrast, the entry for the 6.5CM (same ballistic data, btw), starts off with "Very possibly the most well balanced cartridge to ever grace the pages of the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, the 6.5 Creedmoor...".
Not to mention the Creedmoor is on the cover of the book.Ya think?
The entry in the Hornady reloading manual for the .260 Remington is pretty generic, pretty much just indicating it's another .308 derivative.
In contrast, the entry for the 6.5CM (same ballistic data, btw), starts off with "Very possibly the most well balanced cartridge to ever grace the pages of the Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading, the 6.5 Creedmoor...".
That said, I chose a Savage in 6.5 CM. Fun to shoot and I will be loading for it soon.
The creedmoor case length is 1.920", the 260 is 2.035" , both are short action cartridges. The 30TC and creedmoor were both touted as being able to fit in a short action, however to my knowledge no manufacture has built a action based off the 30tc/creedmoor case which is originally a 300 savage improved 30* shoulder.
The creedmoor may have some advantage in a gas gun, but you are getting into custom territory here with 6.5x47 and others as well. As for long range most people build on a long action and set up the cartridge/bullet choice how they plan from the start.
I think this thread is a good honest informative points on the creedmoor, yes it has some advantages however they are not that many nor great unless your needs are very specific. The new tactical rage, the creedmoor name, Hornady pushing the creedmoor as mentioned by many previous posters has made the creedmoor name perform. Give credit where it's due Hornady done a good job, and as more manufactures start producing rifles in various makes, models, catering to different sports, and shooters I can see only one direction for the creedmoor= home run.
The creedmoor may have some advantage in a gas gun, but you are getting into custom territory here with 6.5x47 and others as well. As for long range most people build on a long action and set up the cartridge/bullet choice how they plan from the start.
I think this thread is a good honest informative points on the creedmoor, yes it has some advantages however they are not that many nor great unless your needs are very specific. The new tactical rage, the creedmoor name, Hornady pushing the creedmoor as mentioned by many previous posters has made the creedmoor name perform. Give credit where it's due Hornady done a good job, and as more manufactures start producing rifles in various makes, models, catering to different sports, and shooters I can see only one direction for the creedmoor= home run.
in my sport, almost nobody uses long action because the magazines suck. short action with AICS or AW mags are the ticket. everybody builds custom anyway, or at least they did. i'm happy to see two new threads about manufacturers starting to build 6.5cm rifles
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6.5 sounds bigger than .260
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my experience over the last 75 years that there are those who just have to have the latest and newest thing of interest. They can't help themselves. All these new cartridges do nothing except to keep our firearms manufacturers and gunsmiths in business, which is good. There is a list of hunting cartridges that goes back around 130 years, after the advent of smokeless powders, which have held true over time which have proven themselves to be adequate for all hunting and target shooting purposes starting around 1890. There have been thousands of cartridge configurations which have been popular for about 15 minutes and then gone forever. The same holds true today. Many of the latest things like the short mag cartridges will fade away soon and most shooters will go back to the proven items that have been around for a long, long time. That is why the .375 H&H and .30-06 are the best-selling hunting cartridges in history and are still being produced in a big way to this day.
my experience over the last 75 years that there are those who just have to have the latest and newest thing of interest. They can't help themselves. All these new cartridges do nothing except to keep our firearms manufacturers and gunsmiths in business, which is good. There is a list of hunting cartridges that goes back around 130 years, after the advent of smokeless powders, which have held true over time which have proven themselves to be adequate for all hunting and target shooting purposes starting around 1890. There have been thousands of cartridge configurations which have been popular for about 15 minutes and then gone forever. The same holds true today. Many of the latest things like the short mag cartridges will fade away soon and most shooters will go back to the proven items that have been around for a long, long time. That is why the .375 H&H and .30-06 are the best-selling hunting cartridges in history and are still being produced in a big way to this day.
I recently switched from .260 Rem to 6.5 Creedmoor. I do a ton of long range p-dog shooting. Sunday I went prarie dog hunting and to be honest, there is no difference between the .260 Rem and 6.5 CRDM when I am shooting 95 V-Max, 107 SMK, or 120 A-Max. When the wind comes up I switch to 140 Bergers. That is when the 6.5 CRDM trumps the .260 Rem. I seat .010 off of the rifling. The 6.5 CRDM allows me to do that with room to spare in the magazine and they feed like a champ.
For p-dogs the 6mm Creedmoor rocks with 107 SMK or Bergers. Same advantage over the .243 as the 6.5 CRDM over the .260.
For p-dogs the 6mm Creedmoor rocks with 107 SMK or Bergers. Same advantage over the .243 as the 6.5 CRDM over the .260.
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What is your definition of "trumps" in this case? Real world numbers?
I own a 260 Remington and I noticed that Hornady doesn't even make the 260 Remington round. I believe they created the Creedmore 6.5. Don't see any advantage to that round over the 260. Plenty of 260 ammo available out there. My prediction is that the 260 is going to start a resurgence for long distant shooting and hunting. I believe someone just won a long distance match with the 260 round and used Lapua brass. Time will tell, but I love my 260 caliber Tikka T3 left hand hunter. You can't go wrong with a 308Winchester based case, 358, 308, 7mm-08, 260 rem, 243 all great rounds. 6.5-08 is really what the 260 is and the 6.5 is an awesome caliber.
cocojo said:
I don't know if you're thinking of Sherri Gallagher, but she won the High Power Rifle Championship a few years ago with a .260 Remington. The runner-up, Carl Bernosky of Team Hornady, was shooting 6mm Hagar, but apparently the 6.5CM now.
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Well I have 2 6.5's... I have a savage 12 lrp 6.5Creedmoor and a custom 6.5-06!!! I like the Creedmoor but it doesn't compare to the '06...
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I shoot both cartridges,and like them both. The 260 does have a slight edge on pricey brass,but Norma is making 6.5 Creedmoor brass now so it's about even there.
The Creedmoor case is more efficient,IMO.
The Creedmoor case is more efficient,IMO.
Fella's;
Possibly another way of looking at the difference is to compare the two companies responsible for the cartridges. One is viable and healthy, the other is in what certainly appears to be both financial and creative trouble. Therefore, if you want to bet on long-term support from the manufacturer, it's probably wiser to go with the Creedmore.
Furthermore, I don't have a dog in this fight. I shoot the original, the 6.5 X 55mm Swedish Mauser and see no reason to test the derivative rounds.
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Possibly another way of looking at the difference is to compare the two companies responsible for the cartridges. One is viable and healthy, the other is in what certainly appears to be both financial and creative trouble. Therefore, if you want to bet on long-term support from the manufacturer, it's probably wiser to go with the Creedmore.
Furthermore, I don't have a dog in this fight. I shoot the original, the 6.5 X 55mm Swedish Mauser and see no reason to test the derivative rounds.
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