Shrock
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I'm tempted to buy one of those $1000 safes from a1abdj and encase it in another layer of 1/4' plate. Making it look pretty enough to pass the wife test would be a PITA though....
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Why a safe isn't enough!
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Travis McGee
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Great thread! What an education I get on this site!
ScottsGT
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Hey [email protected],
WELCOME TO THE HIGH ROAD! Glad to see you over here. I'm running your bumper on my Samurai, and as a matter of fact, I went to your website and you have my Sammy's photo on there. It' getting to be a real small world these days.
Oh, and fellow THR members, when Jim says he knows steel, HE FREAKING MEANS IT!! But then again, I'm sure Jim can drive a sawsall like know one else too
Hummm...Shrockworks gunsafe. Now there's a product I'll endorse!
WELCOME TO THE HIGH ROAD! Glad to see you over here. I'm running your bumper on my Samurai, and as a matter of fact, I went to your website and you have my Sammy's photo on there. It' getting to be a real small world these days.
Oh, and fellow THR members, when Jim says he knows steel, HE FREAKING MEANS IT!! But then again, I'm sure Jim can drive a sawsall like know one else too
Hummm...Shrockworks gunsafe. Now there's a product I'll endorse!
BADUNAME17
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You want a safe with thick steel, smart locking design, a real fire liner, without the high price? You'll be happy with us. -Alyssa
kentucky bucky
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That safe did what it was designed to do.....it made them work for it! Nothing man can make is inpenetrable to man. If they aren't prepared to crack it, it will stay "uncracked". That's all we can ask for out of a hunk of metal. I love mine.
Dangit... I just bought a Liberty, centurion "safe", then saw this thread... Meh....
I'm assuming it's possible to weld 1/4" thick plate steel to the outside of the door and walls right? I would think that would make it a little stronger.
Currently I live in an apartment that was build in the 60's. The whole floor is wood, suspended over the crawl space, so it wouldn't support the weight of a real safe. In fact I worry about doing 300lb squats on it sometimes.
A few years ago, I had some firearms stolen. Back then I didn't have a safe at all. I just had the guns hidden "well" (at least I thought they were). The thieves were young punks with screw drivers and backpacks, so I think my current Liberty safe would've detered them. At least my new safe is better than nothing at all.
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I'm assuming it's possible to weld 1/4" thick plate steel to the outside of the door and walls right? I would think that would make it a little stronger.
Currently I live in an apartment that was build in the 60's. The whole floor is wood, suspended over the crawl space, so it wouldn't support the weight of a real safe. In fact I worry about doing 300lb squats on it sometimes.
A few years ago, I had some firearms stolen. Back then I didn't have a safe at all. I just had the guns hidden "well" (at least I thought they were). The thieves were young punks with screw drivers and backpacks, so I think my current Liberty safe would've detered them. At least my new safe is better than nothing at all.
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I did a stint in banking and I can tell you there is not a vault or a safe that a determined and well informed thief can't get into. I remember having an office safe that the numbers slipped off and we couldn't get it opened. The locksmith had it open in literally 2 minutes before we could get someone to give him the combo. This was an expensive high grade safe. Since then my confidence has been diminished in safes. The fire protection is the best reason to have one.
2RCO, I agree. It's much cheaper for me to insure my guns than to spend the time, money and hassle with a super duper safe. An RSC or a lockable cabinet to keep the little ones out is enough for me. None of my firearms is an heirloom, and all are replaceable.
ServiceSoon
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good stuff
Jim@shrockworks;
Go to: www.graffundersafes.com & check the site out. If you have questions, please PM me. Graffunder's are the real deal.
900F
Go to: www.graffundersafes.com & check the site out. If you have questions, please PM me. Graffunder's are the real deal.
900F
mrrick
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Re-active armour is quite effective in deterring thieves.
Shrock
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Yeah I'm impressed with their work and that is what I plan to buy. If you sell them, PM or email me.
[email protected]: If you buy a Graffunder, I can and will recommend 900F. He is a great guy and spent a lot of time helping me purchase my Graffunder safe. You can find his information/reference on the Graffunder website under Dealers.
I too recommend CB900F. I purchased my Graffunder from him and I've been QUITE pleased with it thus far.
The locksmith that placed it in my home got really curious over what in the world I had, to need what looked to him like "a top end bank vault style safe.... not the kind of thing most people bother getting"
The locksmith that placed it in my home got really curious over what in the world I had, to need what looked to him like "a top end bank vault style safe.... not the kind of thing most people bother getting"
Cannonball888
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Like the very hot Charlize Theron in The Italian Job.
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The Annoyed Man
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CB900F and A1abdj,
2 or 3 months ago, I bought a Liberty Colonial "safe." The features, as listed on the website are:
FIRE PROTECTION
• Omega™ 1200°F / 45 minutes
• Advanced fire & heat protection (3 layers ceiling, 2 layers wall of 5/8" fireboard)
• Palusol™ Heat Activated door seal expands to seal door edge protecting contents from harm
SECURITY
• Awarded UL™ Residential Security Container burglary classification
• Triple case hardened steel plates protect lock from drill attack
• Defensive barrier of ten 1" diameter bolts fortify the door
• Cam-drive bolt locking mechanism with slip clutch handle thwarts break-in
• UL Listed S&G™ Group II lock guards against lock manipulation
I never realized that there was a difference between a safe and an RSC. I guess mine is "only" an RSC. That being said, I still feel good about having made this purchase. I believe that, particularly in my very low crime neighborhood (I've lived here a year and a half, and there has never been a crime of any type committed in that time), I have adequate protection for my firearms investment. Even if nobody were home, a burglar would have to kill my pit bull to even get near the safe inside the house, and there is no way, short of demolishing a side wall of my brick home in plain site of the rest of the neighborhood, that a thief could get the safe out of the house to open it later. Plus, since my wife is a stay at home mom and her mother lives with us, there is almost always someone home.
But I have to add, it was what I could afford ($1,195.00, delivered and installed, bolted to the floor), purchased from a local gun store. Sure, you can always spend more money. I can always spend more on a rifle or a car, too, but at some point one has to strike the balance between getting the best that one can afford, based on the resources that one has, without being in bondage to the cost of it.
2 or 3 months ago, I bought a Liberty Colonial "safe." The features, as listed on the website are:
FIRE PROTECTION
• Omega™ 1200°F / 45 minutes
• Advanced fire & heat protection (3 layers ceiling, 2 layers wall of 5/8" fireboard)
• Palusol™ Heat Activated door seal expands to seal door edge protecting contents from harm
SECURITY
• Awarded UL™ Residential Security Container burglary classification
• Triple case hardened steel plates protect lock from drill attack
• Defensive barrier of ten 1" diameter bolts fortify the door
• Cam-drive bolt locking mechanism with slip clutch handle thwarts break-in
• UL Listed S&G™ Group II lock guards against lock manipulation
I never realized that there was a difference between a safe and an RSC. I guess mine is "only" an RSC. That being said, I still feel good about having made this purchase. I believe that, particularly in my very low crime neighborhood (I've lived here a year and a half, and there has never been a crime of any type committed in that time), I have adequate protection for my firearms investment. Even if nobody were home, a burglar would have to kill my pit bull to even get near the safe inside the house, and there is no way, short of demolishing a side wall of my brick home in plain site of the rest of the neighborhood, that a thief could get the safe out of the house to open it later. Plus, since my wife is a stay at home mom and her mother lives with us, there is almost always someone home.
But I have to add, it was what I could afford ($1,195.00, delivered and installed, bolted to the floor), purchased from a local gun store. Sure, you can always spend more money. I can always spend more on a rifle or a car, too, but at some point one has to strike the balance between getting the best that one can afford, based on the resources that one has, without being in bondage to the cost of it.
Shrock
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The thing that scares me about a safe/RSC that isnt very secure is that unless it is very well hidden, which is usually very difficult to do, it's like a huge neon sign to the BG's saying, "hey all the good loot is in here". They are then going to get very determined to get what's in there....and since you have it, you are likely to round up all the good expensive stuff and put it in there. So in essence, if they CAN get in there or get the safe OUT, you have basically done them a favor.
SamTuckerMTNMAN
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Having a medium security gun safe at my house gives me a lot more peace of mind. All of my life I have simply hung them on racks, as did my dad, and his dad. We were fortunate, and now that the collection has grown, old pieces have become heirlooms, and I have a child, I feel good knowing only my wife and I have quick easy access. It also is a good place for other little items, disks with data, cash, etc. Also We can keep at least one mag loaded and ready to go whereas before I couldn't do that.
Of course the mossberg likes to stay out at the ready.
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ps all of the comments are true about someone getting in...but a pro isn't going to get much for his time at my house really, and the majority of meth head thieves are going for the grab and go items. Also, safes can be bolted, and should be bolted into floors and or wall studs as well as hidden for best protection. Neighbors play a role as well, and dogs, and general protocol around the house as far as hours and other SOPs.
Of course the mossberg likes to stay out at the ready.
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ps all of the comments are true about someone getting in...but a pro isn't going to get much for his time at my house really, and the majority of meth head thieves are going for the grab and go items. Also, safes can be bolted, and should be bolted into floors and or wall studs as well as hidden for best protection. Neighbors play a role as well, and dogs, and general protocol around the house as far as hours and other SOPs.
leadcounsel
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I'll again weigh in and recommend www.sturdysafe.com. I've owned one for a few years and am a very satisfied owner of this solid no frills fire resistant safe. IIRC it was around $1500-1800 shipped.
For those that think gun insurance is enough, consider the irreplacable things or heirlooms you can also store in a safe.
I'm quite confident that mine would keep the great majority of theives out; and for those that could get in easily, they are so talented that it would be a waste of time and frankly too dangerous. I suspect people with that talent don't rob from homeowners because of the high risk involved (e.g. people with gun safes have guns and are often home - big time crooks aren't interested in going out in a body bag. That's why they hit jewelry stores and businesses at night).
The money I spent 4 years ago (now amortized out to about $1 per day) has given me HUGE piece of mind when I have guests over, go on vacation, or am just gone during the day. I know that most of my valuables (both monetarily and sentimenal) are safe from most disasters including theft and fire.
For those that think gun insurance is enough, consider the irreplacable things or heirlooms you can also store in a safe.
I'm quite confident that mine would keep the great majority of theives out; and for those that could get in easily, they are so talented that it would be a waste of time and frankly too dangerous. I suspect people with that talent don't rob from homeowners because of the high risk involved (e.g. people with gun safes have guns and are often home - big time crooks aren't interested in going out in a body bag. That's why they hit jewelry stores and businesses at night).
The money I spent 4 years ago (now amortized out to about $1 per day) has given me HUGE piece of mind when I have guests over, go on vacation, or am just gone during the day. I know that most of my valuables (both monetarily and sentimenal) are safe from most disasters including theft and fire.
silverlance
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I have hidden an big fat safe simply by throwing a tablecloth over it (down to the floor, one of those really big tablecloths.... bedsheet would also work) and then putting crap on top of it like flowers and pictures.
95% of people walking into and out of my house never even know its there despite walking right past it. it's all about the presentation. it wont hide it from a burgular already in your house, but it will reduce the chances of someone knowing about it.
95% of people walking into and out of my house never even know its there despite walking right past it. it's all about the presentation. it wont hide it from a burgular already in your house, but it will reduce the chances of someone knowing about it.
My father used to be in the office equipment business, and sold a few safe's , fire files, ect. "Most" safes are for record document storage, needing more security and fire protection than the fire resistant filing cabinets.
For applications requiring the storage of large amounts of cash we sold money chests. The smaller and most popular version was about 1'square and 20-24"deep. the body being made of 1" thick tool resistant steel, the door being same material but 3" thick(solid) These were generally buried in concrete slab floor or we had an angle iron frame welded to body then built a 3"square form around it and poured in one cubic yard of concrete.
We had a few attempts to break into these but no successes, the relockers would lock them solid. Thief would usually try to punch the lock. We would have to get a professional, bonded, safecracker in who knew just where to drill holes, reach through and push lockin lugs , two of the three, on about a 9"diameter door. back to open the chest.
For applications requiring the storage of large amounts of cash we sold money chests. The smaller and most popular version was about 1'square and 20-24"deep. the body being made of 1" thick tool resistant steel, the door being same material but 3" thick(solid) These were generally buried in concrete slab floor or we had an angle iron frame welded to body then built a 3"square form around it and poured in one cubic yard of concrete.
We had a few attempts to break into these but no successes, the relockers would lock them solid. Thief would usually try to punch the lock. We would have to get a professional, bonded, safecracker in who knew just where to drill holes, reach through and push lockin lugs , two of the three, on about a 9"diameter door. back to open the chest.
Fella's;
I've never said anything like: "You have to buy one of my safes in order to be protected". I've always said that anything is better than nothing. I realize that not everyone can afford a true safe, or has the need for one. Buy within your means, so that you own the safe, not t'other way around.
However, I will state that my Graffunder units do offer superior protection to any RSC that I know of, period. That specifically includes the high-end Fort Knox Titan and Yeager's, and the Liberty Presidentials.
900F
I've never said anything like: "You have to buy one of my safes in order to be protected". I've always said that anything is better than nothing. I realize that not everyone can afford a true safe, or has the need for one. Buy within your means, so that you own the safe, not t'other way around.
However, I will state that my Graffunder units do offer superior protection to any RSC that I know of, period. That specifically includes the high-end Fort Knox Titan and Yeager's, and the Liberty Presidentials.
900F
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monkeykevin
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How about a safe made with Depleted Uranium?
FourTeeFive
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I saw one of these at a dealer and they are VERY impressive. Not inexpensive but they look like a good value considering the quality and workmanship.
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