C-grunt
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Like I said before, the military has been dirt napping people with short barrel 5.56 guns since Vietnam. I dont think 50 years of combat use makes something a "fad".
Why all the ultra short AR barrels?
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Phaedrus/69
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Yeah, it sucks that you need permission to transport an SBR across state lines. That's an issue for me too; I live in SW Montana and frequently travel across the border into Idaho to camp, hike and visit friends.
R.W.Dale
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Nobody came close to drawing the same comparison mid 1911 fad a decade ago.
Nobody at all.
The odds of you using one of these in defense legally are probably along the lines of getting attacked by a polar bear and a regular bear in the same day.
ITS A FAD
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Ok
I just love my “faddish” AR pistol, it makes me feel warm and fuzzy being a part of a fad.
I've been down this road in the distant past with CZ firearms, got labeled a sheep for carrying a FAD. The slight towards me was stale then just as it is here with this current labeling in this thread.
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CraigC
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Whatever makes you feel better/smarter/superior.
So home invasions and burglaries are a thing of the past? When did that happen???
C-grunt
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Ive seen people defend themselves with pistol ARs. Ive never seen anyone attacked by a bear. Maybe bears are a fad?
It's almost as if a gun that is popular for home defense might sometimes actually be used for home defense. Weird.
C-grunt
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Also what 1911 fad are you talking about? High end 1911s were a thing when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s, my dad had a custom rebuilt Kimber in the mid 2000s, and the custom 1911s such as the Stacatto are hugely popular today? So is this another one of those 30+ year fads?
mcb
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Not everything is about self-defense. There are many many other application for braced-pistols and SBR. My AR pistol is my truck/UTV/tractor gun
The heap of armadillo's and other varmints on the family hunting property I have dispatched with my AR pistol sure wish it was a fad I did not get into.
This thread need more pistol AR pictures!
220gr Maker REX bullet fired from my pistol AR recovered from the chert behind the last armadillo I shot. He did not apricate the fad.
More seriously this idea the braced AR is a FAD does not hold up to a quick look at the history and the current market place. I can remember seeing non-braces AR pistols as early as 2006 and I suspect there were some built before then, probably shortly after the sunset of the AWB in 2004. The AR pistol brace as we now know it has been around nearly 8 years at this point. There are dozens of companies now making there variations on pistol braces for ARs and other firearms. Hard to call a 8+ year trend a FAD and even if the ATF were to somehow make braces illegal the popularity of the braced AR will drive many of those users to simple disassemble their braced AR long enough for their SBR stamp to come through and then reassemble with a real stock.
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Fad? Short barreled rifles are not a fad. The demand is there and they have a strong following. Be it a short barreled rifle or any other gun if someone wants to own one they certainly have the right to do so. I guess I don't understand the whole "fad" thing? When I see a gun I like I generally buy it within limits. Really matters not what someone else may or may not think. I am the only person I need to keep happy with any gun or for that matter anything else. Just because any of us may not be attracted to something sure as hell does not mean someone else isn't. They have every right to choose whatever they want, within legal limits, to own and use however they see fit. Even if something is a "fad" or what we may define as a fad in our own opinion.
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Fatelvis
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I’m gonna show my mid western roots here by asking: does one eat an armadillo after shooting it? I’m seriously asking. I’m not trying to be sarcastic.
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An very good reason is that pistols are allowed in shotgun zones in my state. I have considered building one for that purpose. Not crazy about the noise and muzzle blast though.
Let me see.
I can carry a loaded AR pistol in my vehicle concealed
I can hunt with an AR Pistol during the alternative methods deer season
The shorter length makes it great to maneuver around the house in in and out of vehicles
I can take it across state lines without getting permission first.
Now time for my rant.
All the people that have nothing good to say about AR pistols bewilders me. You folks ARE part of the problem on why we are loosing our rights. I see too much of the "It doesn't effect me so why should I stand up and fight" mentality.
It is real simple. Own what you want and like and do not look down upon or turn your nose up at what others want and own.
We are all in this fight together and we better start acting like it instead of bickering about why some one owns a certain type of firearms.
United we stand, divided we fall.
I can carry a loaded AR pistol in my vehicle concealed
I can hunt with an AR Pistol during the alternative methods deer season
The shorter length makes it great to maneuver around the house in in and out of vehicles
I can take it across state lines without getting permission first.
Now time for my rant.
All the people that have nothing good to say about AR pistols bewilders me. You folks ARE part of the problem on why we are loosing our rights. I see too much of the "It doesn't effect me so why should I stand up and fight" mentality.
It is real simple. Own what you want and like and do not look down upon or turn your nose up at what others want and own.
We are all in this fight together and we better start acting like it instead of bickering about why some one owns a certain type of firearms.
United we stand, divided we fall.
CoalTrain49
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I think a lot of the appeal of the SBR/brace thing is the SMG attraction. Although in it's original form the SMG was a pistol cartridge configuration and full auto like the Sten, Thompson and MP-40. The size is the draw.
Although not a machine gun (illegal) it's a semi auto pistol in the form of a SMG. The cartridge can be just about anything you want including a rifle cartridge that was designed for a 20-24" barrel. Chop the barrel of a 5.56 to 10" and you have lost about 25% of the cartridge performance which doesn't make a lot of sense to me but it isn't my money.
I don't own one but the attraction for me would be one in a pistol cartridge like a 9mm MP-5. If I'm going to shoot a deer, or any other medium sized game, I'll use a rifle, with a proper barrel length to take advantage of rifle cartridge performance. Yeah, I know, 5.56 ammo is cheap, or used to be, but 9mm is still cheaper than 5.56. You can still reload 9mm for about 0.15/rd and I load a lot of it.
Break into my house in the middle of the night and find out what my preference is. It isn't 5.56
Although not a machine gun (illegal) it's a semi auto pistol in the form of a SMG. The cartridge can be just about anything you want including a rifle cartridge that was designed for a 20-24" barrel. Chop the barrel of a 5.56 to 10" and you have lost about 25% of the cartridge performance which doesn't make a lot of sense to me but it isn't my money.
I don't own one but the attraction for me would be one in a pistol cartridge like a 9mm MP-5. If I'm going to shoot a deer, or any other medium sized game, I'll use a rifle, with a proper barrel length to take advantage of rifle cartridge performance. Yeah, I know, 5.56 ammo is cheap, or used to be, but 9mm is still cheaper than 5.56. You can still reload 9mm for about 0.15/rd and I load a lot of it.
Break into my house in the middle of the night and find out what my preference is. It isn't 5.56
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entropy
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Even without a stock that Thompson is about 8.5 pounds. I think 12Bravo20 outlined the various practical reasons for owning an AR pistol quite well. For those who don't think they have any practical purposes, how many of you have at least one gun you got 'just because' even if it doesn't serve any (or more than one) practical purpose(s). Nothing wrong with that for a reason to get a particular gun. Benjamin Franklin eloquently said "We must, indeed, all hang together or, most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." Never has it been more true than now.
CoalTrain49
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So the issue for you is the weight? Thompson design is 100 years old.
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marksman13
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You’ve got to be pretty tone deaf to consider short barreled ARs a fad.
After putting a lot of rounds downrange (none in anger) and carrying a variety of firearms afield (never in combat) I found the barrels on my ARs have progressively grown shorter and quieter. The AR I shoot the most is a suppressed 11.5 inch in 5.56, sometimes as an SBR, sometimes as a braced pistol. They are effective out to 300 yards or more.
I don't care if they're a fad or who uses them in defense of our nation or why. I don't care if anyone else finds them practical or not. What I know is, after actually shooting them, shorties work well for a variety of applications from popping prairie poodles to defending the homestead.
I don't care if they're a fad or who uses them in defense of our nation or why. I don't care if anyone else finds them practical or not. What I know is, after actually shooting them, shorties work well for a variety of applications from popping prairie poodles to defending the homestead.
sarduy
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Because all the cool kids are running around with MK18s
No seriously, it’s just evolution, from 20” to 16.5/14.5” to 10.5/10.3
From irons to redot
From black powder to smokeless
technology is far better today than just 50 years ago. Bullets construction and powder formulas allows for a compact AR PISTOL to be much more effective than 50 years ago.
also, a 20” AR with suppressor is as long as a mosin nagant
while an AR pistol 8" in 300blk With a suppressor in still shorter than 16” AR. 
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I don’t always shower, but when I do, it’s with an AR and a frown.
Stay short my friends...
entropy
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Not at all. I put that comment in to point out that if you were trying to show that a small, light, SMG type weapon were the attraction, that was the worst possible example, as the Thompson weighs as much as the standard issue rifle of the time. A Walther MPK or a Jatimatic would have been a better example to prove your point. And I think that while that may be true for some, it's not the major reason AR pistols are popular. Sure, many of them are range toys, but they do fill several practical purposes.
Not that firing a Thompson isn't fun. It definitely is.
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Fatelvis
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That is funny! Lol
I don’t always shower, but when I do, it’s with an AR and a frown.
Stay short my friends...
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Yes, pictures...
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