Fieldstone
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It has nothing to do with the weapon, it had to do with the ego. Its what I have come to call "partisan gun talk".
Why do HK owners think HK's are better than Glocks?
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Because it is the gun of choice by the Navy Seals?
Just kidding. My fellow military colleagues like the ability to get various attachments: suppressors, bayonet, tactical lights, etc.
I was at a range and a gentleman let me shoot his 40 cal H/K. I am not recoil sensitive but this gun felt like a 9mm to me in recoil and accuracy. I asked what the price tag was (I don't recall the model though it was a large and heavy pistol) and he said it was $1500. Nice gun!
For one third of the price, and I'm more practical, I am just as happy with my Glock 30/23/27 which amounts to his one gun. If I am ever going to use it for self defense, i have to face the facts that my gun can be in custody for a prolonged time or even never returned. I can tolerate a $500 gun being expendable. A $1500 gun taken away would be difficult to accept.
Just kidding. My fellow military colleagues like the ability to get various attachments: suppressors, bayonet, tactical lights, etc.
I was at a range and a gentleman let me shoot his 40 cal H/K. I am not recoil sensitive but this gun felt like a 9mm to me in recoil and accuracy. I asked what the price tag was (I don't recall the model though it was a large and heavy pistol) and he said it was $1500. Nice gun!
For one third of the price, and I'm more practical, I am just as happy with my Glock 30/23/27 which amounts to his one gun. If I am ever going to use it for self defense, i have to face the facts that my gun can be in custody for a prolonged time or even never returned. I can tolerate a $500 gun being expendable. A $1500 gun taken away would be difficult to accept.
tinygnat219
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hehe. What foolishness ensues here?
Look they are both Teutonic polymer guns that have great reputations with completely different operating systems. Methinks that one should buy what one wants and simply be happy. Besides both trounce that other silly German/Swiss hybrid Piece of Crap called SIG Sauer.
Look they are both Teutonic polymer guns that have great reputations with completely different operating systems. Methinks that one should buy what one wants and simply be happy. Besides both trounce that other silly German/Swiss hybrid Piece of Crap called SIG Sauer.
usp9
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For me personally, the HK advantage is in the grip, the controls and the natural pointability. Simply put... Glocks aren't made for my hand.
When I shoot my P2000sk I have a big smile on my face.
When I shoot a Glock 26 I don't.
I don't like the Glock trigger.
I do like the HK trigger.
I like the adjustability of the latest HK model's grip.
I like the HK mag release.
HKs have a hammer.
I wish I liked Glocks, they are fine guns, but I don't.
When I shoot my P2000sk I have a big smile on my face.
When I shoot a Glock 26 I don't.
I don't like the Glock trigger.
I do like the HK trigger.
I like the adjustability of the latest HK model's grip.
I like the HK mag release.
HKs have a hammer.
I wish I liked Glocks, they are fine guns, but I don't.
The plastic is stiffer and does not flex under recoil. The steel is harder and does not peen. The factory recommended service interval is 25,000 rounds.
I have lived on this planet long enough to learn that you don't get something for nothing. Firearm prices are not arbitrary.
mbruce
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that's the beauty of threads like these...they are opinionated... I don't care if a member has 200,000 posts...unless he/she works for a lab that has PSI crushers to test the strength of the polymer then he/she really has no idea but hearsay or personal beliefs. Even with those cool testing tools one would need to test many many frames over many production year runs to get a general idea. Because in today's time the quality of yesterday does not carry over to the quality of today.... Then if you want to get into internal designs -- you would need to blast away until the designs broke -- but you would need to do this many many times to get a good idea ....Then to test the hardness of the metal then you would need a metalurrgist do tests -- over many many firearms over many years worth of production runs.... In the end you will have the answer -- but before doing that -- buying an HK or Glock will satisfy you as both guns are considered "brands to buy"....as are XDM, SW M&P, FN, Sig...etc...
If Taurus has their way then they will be the best production manufacturer on the planet -- before y'all jump on the pain train to prove that wrong -- take a look at their production facility 5 years ago, then a look at it today, and their plans for their production facility tomorrow -- you cannot become the best overnight -- they are buying the technology today that will ensure they are players in the game tomorrow. And before you start posting negative comments -- you should really praise a company who has turned their products around and is striving to be the best....
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Right...
One thing that gets me about HK is that its claimed to be the best yet the three most dominate brands that Police carry, city, state, and federal, is Glock, SIG, and Smith and Wesson. I'm yet to see a Police officer carry a USP yet many carry the equally expensive HK.
Lvl21nerd
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Isnt this a lot like the AK vs AR debate?
i know many people call Glocks 'the AKs of the pistol world'
i know many people call Glocks 'the AKs of the pistol world'
earlthegoat2
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Hmmm, might have mispoke here but they are both HK products.
US Customs carries HK, that is only one example but they are a large Federal agency. I agree though. There are plenty more Sigs, Glocks, and Smiths than all the rest combined.
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Originally Posted by FIVETWOSEVEN
These statements don't help at all, what makes you think they are better constructed?
that's the beauty of threads like these...they are opinionated... I don't care if a member has 200,000 posts...unless he/she works for a lab that has PSI crushers to test the strength of the polymer then he/she really has no idea but hearsay or personal beliefs. Even with those cool testing tools one would need to test many many frames over many production year runs to get a general idea. Because in today's time the quality of yesterday does not carry over to the quality of today.... Then if you want to get into internal designs -- you would need to blast away until the designs broke -- but you would need to do this many many times to get a good idea ....Then to test the hardness of the metal then you would need a metalurrgist do tests -- over many many firearms over many years worth of production runs.... In the end you will have the answer -- but before doing that -- buying an HK or Glock will satisfy you as both guns are considered "brands to buy"....as are XDM, SW M&P, FN, Sig...etc...
Now I find this post very hard to refute. These kinds of "comparisons" always seem to come down to opinions-which is fine with me so long as opinions don't get morphed into so-called "facts". Hard, empiracle data is awfully hard to come by and to make declarative statements to defend an opinion when there is no hard data to back it up (which is so often the case) only further strains the credibility of the hearsay and myth monger.
Originally Posted by FIVETWOSEVEN
These statements don't help at all, what makes you think they are better constructed?
that's the beauty of threads like these...they are opinionated... I don't care if a member has 200,000 posts...unless he/she works for a lab that has PSI crushers to test the strength of the polymer then he/she really has no idea but hearsay or personal beliefs. Even with those cool testing tools one would need to test many many frames over many production year runs to get a general idea. Because in today's time the quality of yesterday does not carry over to the quality of today.... Then if you want to get into internal designs -- you would need to blast away until the designs broke -- but you would need to do this many many times to get a good idea ....Then to test the hardness of the metal then you would need a metalurrgist do tests -- over many many firearms over many years worth of production runs.... In the end you will have the answer -- but before doing that -- buying an HK or Glock will satisfy you as both guns are considered "brands to buy"....as are XDM, SW M&P, FN, Sig...etc...
Now I find this post very hard to refute. These kinds of "comparisons" always seem to come down to opinions-which is fine with me so long as opinions don't get morphed into so-called "facts". Hard, empiracle data is awfully hard to come by and to make declarative statements to defend an opinion when there is no hard data to back it up (which is so often the case) only further strains the credibility of the hearsay and myth monger.
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Why do HK owners think they are better than Glocks?
Maybe they are, have you thought that could be the answer, or is that the WRONG answer?
Maybe they are, have you thought that could be the answer, or is that the WRONG answer?
DenaliPark
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Come on, the only feature that matters to the HK fan-club is "Rainbow Six"...
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BADUNAME37
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I would buy an HK over a glock and I have not a clue what "Rainbox Six" means.
There.
There.
Chris Rhines
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Yup, I'm sure Todd Green selected the H&K P30 as his carry pistol because it appeared in a video game.
You should try educating yourself a little more before feeling compelled to share your opinions.
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You should try educating yourself a little more before feeling compelled to share your opinions.
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Chris Rhines
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For what its worth, I personally prefer the Glock or Smith & Wesson M&P over the equivelent H&K. Although the H&K P30 and HK45 do have some nice features.
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Not even a clue what that is. Must be a video game. Last one of those I played was Atari. I've been shooting HK's since 1986 or 87. Back then they were rather unknown compared to other guns. What I did know then is what I know now. I value them and believe that they are worth their price. I also think that Glocks are worth their price.
To each his own.
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Some of it does have to do with HK having a better record than Glock when it comes to putting safe, well-tested models in holsters the past 20 years.
Do some research to understand why a lot of people don't recommend Glocks aside from the 9mm models. Glock executives admitting to knowing certain popular models sold at very cheap prices to LE organizations ($250 per pistol plus continued training and free stock of spare parts) had known safety issues while told to always say it is their training and ammunition that is faulty.
Look up the LE organizations that gave up after repeated inquiries and demanded Glock replace all their Glock 22's with 17's. Look up the experience of a couple departments in CA when it comes to Glock 21's.
Try to find multiple reports of problems/issues with HK pistols by any agency or organization world-wide. Nobody ever worries about springs, chamber support, etc. with any of the models they have came out with. The stringent QC and constant testing costs money. To get similar small parts quality in a 1911 you can expect to pay over $2,000.
Are HK's worth $800-950? Are they actually better than $100 Glocks that sell in stores for $400-600? Depends on what you need, what you want, who you talk to and if they actually know a damn thing.
Do some research to understand why a lot of people don't recommend Glocks aside from the 9mm models. Glock executives admitting to knowing certain popular models sold at very cheap prices to LE organizations ($250 per pistol plus continued training and free stock of spare parts) had known safety issues while told to always say it is their training and ammunition that is faulty.
Look up the LE organizations that gave up after repeated inquiries and demanded Glock replace all their Glock 22's with 17's. Look up the experience of a couple departments in CA when it comes to Glock 21's.
Try to find multiple reports of problems/issues with HK pistols by any agency or organization world-wide. Nobody ever worries about springs, chamber support, etc. with any of the models they have came out with. The stringent QC and constant testing costs money. To get similar small parts quality in a 1911 you can expect to pay over $2,000.
Are HK's worth $800-950? Are they actually better than $100 Glocks that sell in stores for $400-600? Depends on what you need, what you want, who you talk to and if they actually know a damn thing.
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Amen
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Wow. That seems completely unsubstantiated. You made the claims- the burden of proof is on you to show evidence of your claims.
A good friend of mine- who worked in gun stores for years, has an immense collection, and is considered a subject matter expert by other SMEs- therefore, is known for "knowing a damn thing" or more, thinks pretty poorly of them.
Larry Correia, author, former 3-gun competitor and former high-volume gun dealer, coined the phrase "Because you suck and we hate you" to describe the disdain with which H und K treats the civilian market.
I think H&Ks are okay, but over-priced, and they generally have poor ergonomics. But I probably don't know a damn thing, either.
John
A good friend of mine- who worked in gun stores for years, has an immense collection, and is considered a subject matter expert by other SMEs- therefore, is known for "knowing a damn thing" or more, thinks pretty poorly of them.
Larry Correia, author, former 3-gun competitor and former high-volume gun dealer, coined the phrase "Because you suck and we hate you" to describe the disdain with which H und K treats the civilian market.
I think H&Ks are okay, but over-priced, and they generally have poor ergonomics. But I probably don't know a damn thing, either.
John
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I say if that is what the person read, and he or she is relaying that to us, we can verify whether it is true or not.
In fact, he/she even TELLS US TO DO THE RESEARCH!
I think we are all big boys in here, big enough to know how to do some searching with our friend (for now) Google.
In fact, he/she even TELLS US TO DO THE RESEARCH!
I think we are all big boys in here, big enough to know how to do some searching with our friend (for now) Google.
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IMTHDUKE
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Uh?......Maybe because they think they are?
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