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Why do people advertise CCW?

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I think the "element of surprise" advantage is overrated.

Agree 100%--and that's my opinion as a former LEO and veteran.

Only time the "element of surprise" is advantageous is IF YOU'RE LOOKING to either become a victim, or LOOKING FOR A FIGHT. The pschobabblers that would get called in to US District Court to testify about the latter referred to it as "passive aggressive behavior and tendencies." This quote from up above fits right in--

'd rather concealed carry for the fact that if a bad guy is going to try robbing a place that I'm at, he's going to get two rounds center mass. If he sees my weapon and is deterred, he will go to another store, and another, and another, until he gets arrested or shot.

End his criminal career sooner rather than later...

Advice--if this is how you feel and what you want to someday do, go join the police. If you're itching to shoot someone and see how it feels, go join the service. If you go looking for trouble, you'll find it.

Even my wife doesn't always know if I'm carrying--and I don't carry everywhere I go. I carry everwhere we go together (my wife and I), but when I'm by myself, I don't always carry on my person.

Jeff
 
I think the "element of surprise" advantage is overrated.
Agree 100%--and that's my opinion as a former LEO and veteran.

Only time the "element of surprise" is advantageous is IF YOU'RE LOOKING to either become a victim, or LOOKING FOR A FIGHT. The pschobabblers that would get called in to US District Court to testify about the latter referred to it as "passive aggressive behavior and tendencies." This quote from up above fits right in--

Could not disagree more based on my experience as a 1%er, bouncer in some bad-ass bars and some more experience in 'high risk professions'.

The "element of surprise" is a definite advantage when dealing with serious contenders.

You should be careful when making sweeping statements.

Biker
 
When I think of surprising someone I think of offensively surprising someone.

If one carries concealed, and draws on an advancing attacker that backs down, does surprise on the defensive side play a factor or was it the gun pointed to his chest that made him back down?

In my opinion, it isn't "ooh, he surprised me with a gun", instead it's "oh crap, he's got a gun" that deters the attacker. If surprising someone was that effective, we could yell BOO and be safe.

If I am armed you are not going to force me. If you can't force me, you have to reason with me. You will not reason with an armed person so the only choices you have left is to die or walk away. Where does the surprise come into play?
 
The surprise comes from shooting you because you are an armed threat or when you respond to a threat when you were expected to be a mere target.

The wolf always does a flip when the bunny bites back.

Biker
 
IMO there are some folks out there that feel inadequate in life so they have to tell people they have a permit to make themselves feel better/stronger than others.
 
Could not disagree more based on my experience as a 1%er, bouncer in some bad-ass bars and some more experience in 'high risk professions'.

The "element of surprise" is a definite advantage when dealing with serious contenders.

You should be careful when making sweeping statements.

Having spent more than half of my adult life in somewhat high-risk professions (special operations, undercover narcotics agent at home and abroad), I would bet that we are closer to seeing things the same than not.

I've done way more than my share of ambush operations while in the military, so I have a little bit of experience working with and utilizing "the element of surprise." It's essential for offensive operations.

But here, we're talking about self-defense.

The key word here is DEFENSE, not offense. It's been said that the best defense is a good offense. Per this discussion, anyone who wears/carries a firearm SHOULD already have a heightened situational awareness about them. Too many of us (including agents I worked with) trust that the gun alone will protect them and save them.

It will not. You have to know/see/sense/feel what's coming and use the gun to save you from harm. The gun is a tool.

If you are looking for trouble, then "the element of surprise" of having a weapon is on your side. But that is not a self-defense scenario. You are the aggressor.

However, if you decide you want to start some crap and you go looking for a likely recipient and you bump into me--and I'm wearing a t-shirt with the Budweiser on it that says "The only easy day was yesterday," and I have a ball cap that reads "Semper Fi" and a tatto on one arm that says "So that others may live" and on the other arm one that says "De oppresso liber" and the front of my jacket says, "Pain is weakness leaving the body," and you see a shoulder holster with 45 ACP inside, do you really want to choose me as your Huckleberry?

Your choice. If you have any brains whatsoever, you'll move on. Thugs are already in the risk management business. They want an easy mark.

I want to be left alone. I don't want to have "the element of surprise" on my side in a self-defense situation. Unlike a lot of would-be wanabe heros, I don't want to ever have to draw my weapon and point it at another human being again.

How you carry yourself with posture, attitude and awarenss helps negate a large number of potential problems.

If you're looking for trouble, then by all means stay with "the element of surprise." But for self-defense, if you have to "surprise" an assailant, you've already been victimized. Now we're just determining what level and to what extent you're going to be victimized.

How does the element of surprise help you then?

Jeff
 
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Originally Posted by JesseL
The rattlesnake doesn't want to be dangerous, he wants to be left alone. This is why he has a rattle - so he can make you aware that he is dangerous without being forced to prove it.

A great observation and an interesting metaphor. A rattlesnake is camouflaged and silent as long as that is effective. Once he knows he is seen and feel threatened, then he warns, and warns loudly. And he's carrying an effective means of self-defense if his first two plans don't work.
 
The worst case of "advertising" I ever saw was some old fat mcnasty dude wearing a Larry the Cable Guy wife beater that said, "The right to keep and BARE arms shall not be infringed." BARE being misspelled on purpose due to the fact that LTCG doesn't own any shirts with sleeves. I immediately looked at around 4 o'clock on his hip and, sure enough, a sorry assed attempt to conceal a large semi-auto and OWB rig. Connecticut is NOT a state where you want to alarm the "sheeple" as it's very good grounds to have your permit yanked and get charged with disturbing the piece or something. Was pretty funny, though.
 
Why advertise CCW? Immaturity, insecurity, novelty, pride . . .

When I first got my VA CHP I made the mistake of bringing it up to another couple of (I thought were) good friends one evening when we were going out to the movies. I thought they 'got it.

While we were in line waiting to get in, a couple of HS-aged 'homies' about 5-10 yds ahead of us were joined by a couple of buddies who wanted to join them in line. To their credit, the guys in line said no, not cool, go find you own place in line. The guys who wanted in started to jabber and horse around (noisey, but harmless), but my friend's candy-a$$ed suburban wife got scared and said, "You've got a gun, do something -"

Things got pretty quiet, pretty quick, all eyes on me . . . I said 'Shut-up Carol, line jumping isn't a shooting offense in VA' or something to that effect, the line jumpers kind of vaporized, and we suddenly had a bunch of elbow room.

Never, ever tell anyone who doesn't absolutely, positively need to know you're armed, that you're armed.
 
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