Why do you Limit Yourself?

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1911 guys, there exist conversion kits for .460 Rowland - which, AFAIK, does not reduce capacity. You can shoot a larger bullet faster than .45 ACP.
Snubnose Revolver guys, there exists the Ruger Alaskan in .454 Casull... a snubnosed anti-tank gun.
.40 Guys (all three of you :p), there exists the 10mm.
.357 Magnummers, see the .44 and .500... among others.

I expect that most of y'all know these things, and still continue to carry your comparatively 'underpowered' cartridges. A more powerful cartridge doesn't always require a major change in platform.

There are those who are given duty weapons and can't change 'em, who have medical issues and can't have too much recoil, etc. I don't think that applies to all of us here.

Why do you choose to limit yourself, knowing that handguns are underpowered at best?

This is not a "big dummy, you could haul a Glock 7 with 90 rounds of APHEDU ammo and be carrying thirteen ounces less than that 1911" thread. I'm just curious.
 
Texas law says it must be hidden. Does a Ruger Alaskan fit in my pocket? :rolleyes: Does a 1911 in any caliber, for that matter? .38 or 9mm is plenty and much easier to carry all day at 105 degrees and 90 percent humidity. You willin' to stand there and take 13 rounds of 9mm plus P in the chest and tell me it ain't enough? I ain't. Might actually hurt if I live long enough to feel it.
 
Caliber is chosen based on its intended purposes. Why would I use a .454 Casull in an urban defense scenario? Maybe if there were ten bad guys coming at me in a single file line it would be cool. But it's ridiculously overkill for the situation and follow up shots would be slow. Fast forward to hiking in bear country and then I could use that .454 Casull. I wouldn't depend on a 9mm, .40, or .45 for that.
 
Why do you choose to limit yourself, knowing that handguns are underpowered at best?
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Limit myself? I don't think so!

Power isn't everything in a combat/SD handgun!
Controllability is!

The .45 ACP is at about the upper limit for most people regarding controllability and very fast follow-up shots.

In many if not most situations, that is far more important then just getting one shot out of "the most powerful handgun ever made, and will rip your head clean off!" to paraphrase Dirty Harry.

If power was the most important thing, everyone would be pack'n S&W .460's & .500's!
Or at least .44 Magnums!

rcmodel
 
I got rifles for heavy duty work. Not interested in handguns that hurt me or weigh as much as a rifle and try pull my pants down!

I also like to be able to buy ammunition for my handguns. Common calibers are easy to find. Not likely to get .460 Rowland, or .454 Casull at Wal Mart.
 
Compromise in inherent in all defensive handguns. It's one of the classic three sided trade-offs; between carryability, controllability, and power.

Most of us will just choose to carry a handgun of moderate proportions, weight, and power and recognize it for what it is - a better tool than a rock or sharp stick.

I like the quote: "A handgun is for fighting you way back to your rifle".:D
 
1911 guys, there exist conversion kits for .460 Rowland - which, AFAIK, does not reduce capacity. You can shoot a larger bullet faster than .45 ACP.
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I want one. I've wanted on for quite a while now. For my next purchase it's a real toss up between a 460Rowland or a 10mm.

That being said, .45ACP is subsonic and easier to suppress.
 
.460 Rowland carry gun? No thanks. I don't think I'd want a compensator on a carry gun anyway. Or want to practice regularly with a .460 Rowland without one.

John
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www.sixguns.com/tests/tt460r.htm

"For all practical purposes, the .460 Rowland with its five-inch barrel equals, or surpasses, the .44 Magnum in a like barreled sixgun.

We basically have .44 Magnum performance in a standard sized Model 1911, but what about recoil? Even a .45 ACP chambered 1911 bothers me more than heavier kickin' sixguns because of the torque it applies to my wrist. I was a little apprehensive about shooting the .460 Rowland. Not to worry! The Clark Drop-in Kit features a built-in comp that works. Really works. With it in place, the felt recoil of the .460 Rowland to me is less than that of standard .45 ACP. It is a different recoil, coming straight back rather than twisting so it effects me less."

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www.clarkcustomguns.com/rowland.htm

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I limit myself to four calibers (.22lr, .32 acp and limited m1895 shooting variants, 9x18, and .45 acp). As it is, all of my handguns can fire the above four rounds (even the m1895 can shoot .32 acp).

The main reason is if I buy a gun in a different caliber (say 9x19), I'll have to add 500-1000 rounds to the zombie invasion stockpile that I have for each. :D
 
That being said, .45ACP is subsonic and easier to suppress.
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The idea of carrying a suppressed firearm strikes me as about as brilliant as carrying a .454 Casull. :rolleyes: Wow, would a jury have fun with that one or WHAT? ROFL Besides, with a suppressor on the gun, it'll make you look like you're on some sort of supercharged Viagra. You'll have to walk stiff legged. Might attract the girls, who knows?
 
The pistol I carry on a daily basis might be a 45acp, 357magnum, 40 S&W or a 9mm, shot placement is what I depend on not vaporizing the sorry SOB......:cool:
 
Why limit myself?

I don't find shooting 200-300 rounds every weekend of 460 Rowland or 454 Casull very enjoyable, thank you. And I'm not after the biggest blast or a recoil junkie and do not live in ferocious grizzly country.

My 1911's and other pistols are for pure pleasure and target shooting.
 
MCgunner said:
The idea of carrying a suppressed firearm strikes me as about as brilliant as carrying a .454 Casull. Wow, would a jury have fun with that one or WHAT? ROFL Besides, with a suppressor on the gun, it'll make you look like you're on some sort of supercharged Viagra. You'll have to walk stiff legged. Might attract the girls, who knows?
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There's nothing crazy about wanting to prevent hearing loss. Any half decent lawyer could present his client as a normal guy trying to protect his ears. What juror could fault a man for wanting to hear his newborn one day call him "dada?" A sappy point, but that's the kind of crap lawyers throw at 'em. I've been thinking about putting a silencer on my home defense .45 lately. I wouldn't put it on a concealed piece bc you just added extra length to a weapon you are trying to conceal after all. But to each their own.
 
Why? Because a hit with a "weaker" caliber will do more damage than a miss with a more powerful caliber.
 
"Why? Because a hit with a "weaker" caliber will do more damage than a miss with a more powerful caliber."

"Why? Because a hit with a "weaker" caliber will do more damage than a miss with a more powerful caliber."

Alan Fud: A statement that pithy and profound probably should be posted twice! :)
 
Blah, Just need to make a one shot .50 BMG pistol for those of the need of the biggest bullet.

In a Self defense gun I am actually more worried about the bullet going though five rooms then it not stopping one, as a well aimed centerfire cartridge is gonna hurt someone. I am sure the Nagant Round aimed right would stop someone, and it in normally in the catagory of being not powerful enough.
 
I don't see it as limiting myself. Controllability and placement are the most important things. How is sending a .45 slug a little faster going to improve anything? If the slug is expanding and penetrating deeply enough, extra velocity is just extra recoil and slower split times.
 
The .45 ACP is at about the upper limit for most people regarding controllability and very fast follow-up shots.
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Yes. I agree completely. That's why I have a Commander in .45ACP for CCW.

For 4-legged trouble, however, I reluctantly purchased a Ruger SBH in .44Mag. This is a completely different need than CCW for 2-legged trouble, in my opinion.

Maybe I should have pursued a Magnum conversion in a familiar frame? The Desert Eagle is a .44Mag, but the frame is, well, HUGE.

I guess the point I was trying to make is that, except where there is a need for power and penetration (i.e. bears), these aren't necessarily good things for traditional self-defense.
 
Two words..."INNOCENT BYSTANDERS"
Besides.. My double barrel "coach" gun makes me walk funny...and shows thru my shorts...embarrasing!
 
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1% caliber

A 32acp to the heart is going to be a good deal more effective than a 45 in the appendix.

In light of the fact that the law says you must hide it to be with you I'm pretty certain that smaller and with ya is about 20000% mo betta than more powerful and at home. Especially if you need it.
 
In a s/d situation, you never know where it will happen, you might be indoors. You WON'T have ear protection, and I'd like to be able to hear for the rest of my days, thank you. No cannons for me, my hearing's already damaged enough.

Plus that whole ammo cost thing.....
 
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