Why does the 6.5 Creedmoor Crowd claim the 143 ELD-X as the Bullet that Beats the .270 Winchester?

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That's the 1st I've heard of the blown primers issue with the CM's. Guess if you push the envelope with any high pressure round those types of things can/will happen.

I just wasn't aware of it being a common problem.

It’s not.

We’ve been shooting high pressure rifle rounds like 270win, 308win, 7mm Rem mag, 243win, etc for a long, long time before the 6.5 creed ever came to be. This “blown primer” thing is a ridiculous red herring.
 
Gee...

The OP was to point out the fact that w/ 125 gr. NP bullets, the 6.5 Creedmoor is as good a Deer cartridge or better than the .270 Win.

And that, w/ 143 gr. bullets, it is every bit as good an Elk round as the 6.5x55mm Swede.

:D




GR
 
Been trying for a few days to get this silly thread locked, but I guess I haven’t been heavy handed enough.

I feel bad for folks who get their feelings so hurt by the perceive someone having something newer and better than their old toys, they feel they have to shout from the rooftop that theirs is better... nobody cares if the 270win is faster than the 6.5 creed. I appreciate the fact I can kill the same game at the same ranges with a lighter rifle and 20% less powder and better barrel life - the same as I appreciated doing so with a 7-08win instead of a 270 before the creedmoor case was invented.

If these things being batted about here as “superiority” for the 270win really were meaningful, you can trust that target shooters and competitors all over the world would favor the 270. But they’re NOT meaningful, so it’s really just pointless bellyaching, spreading negativity in the world just for the sake of hate.
 
Been trying for a few days to get this silly thread locked, but I guess I haven’t been heavy handed enough.

Endeavor to persevere.

When Ridicule, followed by Shouting Down the facts and the truth that you don't like doesn't work? The next step is usually Censorship, followed by a boycott.
(or, blocking a highway during rush-hour or something.)


And Again...

The OP was to point out the fact that w/ 125 gr. NP bullets, the 6.5 Creedmoor is as good a Deer cartridge or better than the .270 Win.

And that, w/ 143 gr. bullets, it is every bit as good an Elk round as the 6.5x55mm Swede.




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Sure seems like you’re now being dishonest.

You’re claiming your intent was to prove the virtues of the 6.5 creed, however, your argument over these pages, and your thread title show the opposite opinion, and continuous effort to denigrate the 6.5 creed based on hairline differentials for ballistic superiority...
 
Sure seems like you’re now being dishonest.

You’re claiming your intent was to prove the virtues of the 6.5 creed, however, your argument over these pages, and your thread title show the opposite opinion, and continuous effort to denigrate the 6.5 creed based on hairline differentials for ballistic superiority...

Try going back and actually READING the OP.
(your feelings not w/standing)

And Again...

The OP was to point out the fact that w/ 125 gr. NP bullets, the 6.5 Creedmoor is as good a Deer cartridge or better than the .270 Win.

And that, w/ 143 gr. bullets, it is every bit as good an Elk round as the 6.5x55mm Swede.

:D



GR
 
Ballistically, absolutely nothing.
Agreed, but unless you WANT a 6.5x55, .260, or even a 6.5-284, there's very little reason to choose one of them, since the Creed's got an advantage of availability.

I happen to WANT a 6.5x55AI, so will probably build one at some point.......even tho I own a 6.5-284, 6.5CM, and will very likely build a .264wm in the near future, depending on how the one I'm putting together for a buddy works out.
 
do you have room for my .270,s in your trash can? they need to go as they are antiques and of no use to me, I also have several other calibers that should be put in the trash.
 
do you have room for my .270,s in your trash can? they need to go as they are antiques and of no use to me, I also have several other calibers that should be put in the trash.

Antiques like the 1890s vintage 6.5X55 Swedish cartridge? That cartridge is certainly obsolete, along with it's Victorian era ballistics.
That dinosaur must certainly belong in the trash can.
Oh, but wait...those 6.5X55 Swedish ballistics are exactly the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor. :scrutiny:
Oh well. There is room in that trash can for the Creedmoor too. :D
 
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And that, w/ 143 gr. bullets, it is every bit as good an Elk round as the 6.5x55mm Swede.

Saying the 6.5 CM is as good as the 6.5X55 is like saying that in a modern rifle with the same pressure loads a 30-40 Krag will do anything a 308 will do. Which is true. But the only people still shooting 30-40 Krag and 6.5X55 are those doing so for nostalgic reasons. Which is fine by me. But for the average Joe the ability to walk into a gun shop and pick up a modern 6.5 CM rifle and buy a box of factory ammo is a lot more convenient. The older cartridges still work, and can work even better with modern hand loads/bullets, loaded to higher pressures than they were originally designed for, and in custom rifles designed for those loads. But that stuff is for the rifle loony's among us who just like tinkering.

Oh, but wait...those 6.5X55 Swedish ballistics are exactly the same as the 6.5 Creedmoor. :scrutiny:

Not with factory loads or factory rifles

I'm a 6.5 CM fan, but for the record I've never said any 6.5 bullet beat 270 or 6.5X55. I have said, and still stick to my claim that any animal the 270 is suited for, the 6.5 CM is suited for. The 270 will shoot a little flatter at typical hunting ranges,but with modern optics and range finders that is a minor obstacle. The 6.5 CM has a significant advantage in recoil in the same weight rifle, or can still have manageable recoil from a much lighter rifle.

Where the 6.5 beats 270 is as a long range target rifle. But you have to understand that in 2019 who is buying rifles and why. Thirty years ago most guys buying bolt rifles were hunters who occasionally shot some targets at the range. In 2019 the number of hunters has dramatically dropped off. The vast majority of guys buying bolt rifles are buying them to shoot at the range. Even those who still hunt get in far more shooting at the firing range than hunting. The 6.5 CM is a near perfect balance of recoil, long range capability as a target rifle, and a suitable big game cartridge. With off the shelf rifles and ammo
 
...and the spiral continues...old vs young, hunters vs precision shooters, fact vs fiction, science vs opinion, cherry picking. Weigh the benefits and make the right choice based on need.

If you find yourself in a catatonic state, unable to commit to either cartridge, consider the 4:20 C & C. Smokes ‘em every time!
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my cz 550 in 6.5x55 will allow you to seat long lenth high BC bullets way out, that a .260-6.5 cm can,t do. I think the 6.5 cm was made to work thu a ar platform and magizines and in a bolt action you can jack the pressure and speed up.
 

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my cz 550 in 6.5x55 will allow you to seat long lenth high BC bullets way out, that a .260-6.5 cm can,t do. I think the 6.5 cm was made to work thu a ar platform and magizines and in a bolt action you can jack the pressure and speed up.

Not sure how long and heavy you might insist on feeding your Swede, but I think you’re generally mistaken about the creedmoor’s inability to seat long. My second 6.5 barrel was throated for 147’s, which yielded a COAL of 2.950”, which was barely more than 1/2 bullet diameter of bearing surface in the case neck. Effectively, the bottom of the bearing surface stopped at the bottom of the neck. The 6 creed barrel I shot last year ran a 2.855” COAL with 105 Hybrids, 8 thou off of the lands, longer with the 115 dtacs (don’t recall length off of the top), which also meant about half a bullet diameter of bearing surface in the case neck.

Your statements are largely correct about the longer case 260, but not applicable for the creedmoor case.
 
It's funny how Creedmoor fans will claim that their 6.5 has superior ballistics to the Swede 6.5.
However, you only need to compare the factory loadings of both to realize just how very similar the velocities are with the same bullets.
The Creedmoor cartridge offers no ballistic advantage over the Swede, so accuracy-wise, with all things being equal in similar rifles, there can be no difference.
Some claim that the 6.5 Swede is only shot for nostalgic reasons, perhaps because of the prevalence of surplus 1896 Mausers and AG42B Military semi-autos.
However, in Europe, this cartridge still retains a huge following in finely made new bolt action rifles.
Some say that the Creedmoor is a near-perfect balance of recoil, long range capability as a target rifle, and a suitable big game cartridge.
If this is so, then the same can be said for any similarly made modern production 6.5 Swedish rifle.
Much is made of the short action length advantage of the Creedmoor cartridge, supposedly resulting in a lighter and more compact rifle.
Yet, the pictures that I have seen show me rifles with rather bulky stocks, longer barrels, and mounted with honking big telescopes in order to capture all of that accuracy claimed for the cartridge. How is that advantage actually utilized in these heavy rifles?

The real main advantage that is true is that you can easily buy a suitable modern 6.5 Creedmoor rifle off the shelf, while an equivalent modern rifle in 6.5 Swedish would be hard to come by, and probably more expensive.
All that this means really is that your choice has been made for you by those who produce the rifles, and not that the Creedmoor is a better cartridge than the Swede.
 
In the past the 270 Winchester owners were always a little touchy with any criticism about their rifles. After following this thread it appears that the 6.5 CM owners are just as quick to take up a defensive position.
 
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