Why does there seem to be shotgun hate?

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Not hate... My handguns, AR's and shotguns all have a place in my HD arsenal. But shotguns have traditionally been over hyped and over rated. When people point out the truth some are offended.

The biggest selling point for shotguns traditionally is that they were inexpensive and versatile enough for someone to have a hunting gun that would serve dual roles as a HD gun. Within a limited range buckshot can be formidable and the ability to throw multiple projectibles makes it easier to hit moving targets, but there are downsides.

Most people are now discovering that a compact AR or PCC is every bit as effective at close range in an even lighter, more compact weapon. Buckshot recoil is in 300 WM range. An AR or PC will hold 6X the ammo and generate about 1/6 the recoil. And while it is still possible to get a reliable shotgun for less money the gap has closed considerably.

Indoors I still prefer a handgun. Being able to have one hand free is important and having a weapon harder for an intruder to get their hands on can be an asset. Despite the myths modern handgun rounds are every bit as effective as rifle rounds at close ranges. It is just easier to get good hits as ranges increase with a long gun.

Inside MY home there is no possibility of a shot longer than about 3-5 yards. Not enough distance for a shotgun pattern to be an asset and close enough for the high probability of a hit with a handgun. If I did choose to use a long gun indoors I'd much prefer the lighter, more compact short rifle with 1/6 the recoil. That doesn't make a shotgun a BAD choice. But based on the criteria important to me a short barreled rifle is a BETTER choice. And the trend among most people is going in the same direction.

On my property, where my shotgun would shine is outdoors at ranges between 10-40 yards, especially if trying to hit moving targets.
 
The only criteria that's important to me is stopping as soon AS POSSIBLE whatever is going on in my house that is bad enough to get me to shoot in the house. And for that purpose, it's going to be a 12 gauge shotgun with 9 pellet 2 3/4" 00 buckshot. Ten times out of ten.
 
For home defense I will take a pistol over any long gun, whether it be a rifle, shotgun or carbine.

I can move quicker, point quicker and acquire a short range target quicker with a pistol than any long gun... Even my favorite M1 carbine.

Try standing in the middle of a hallway holding a long gun pointed at one end of the hallway. Then swivel and point it in the opposite direction. Even with practice I would not be as fast as I would be with a pistol that I have practiced with.

I do believe shotguns are great for defending my property from water fowel.
 
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Shotguns are great and I have one loaded with slugs for bear defence.

But they recoil a lot and hold about 5 shots. Neither are a huge downside for me for the intended use but there's a lot of misinformation out there about them.

Like that you want a lot of spread or they will blow everyone off their feet when shot by them
 
Shotgun hate??? Try finding any type of short barrel SG now. Good luck. If you do it,s more then double the price IF you find one. I,m perfectly happy at the top of my stairs with one filled with 00 buck. As far as the 5.56/AR platform thats all the rage. Good gun. But outlawed in more and more areas. I like the 7.62x39. Same capacity, bigger hole and hits harder under 300yds. The Russians got that one right. Too bad we didn't have that instead of the 30 Carbine. I like my SKS,s and Mini-30,s. No target rifles but will hit what they need to a couple 100 yards. I,m not target shooting.
 
My last "house shotgun" has long been a safe queen. For me the PCC took front seat for many reasons. Mostly how short and easy many are now to move with. Also Wife. She is VERY recoil sensitive. Will not even try the Win 1300 she bought me when we were still dating decades back. I borrowed a pump 20 for her to try. She fired it one round and that was the end of that. MANY have a house shotgun they rarely use and if they do not practice have to hope they never need it. They are VERY easy to miss with at close range, and VERY easy to turn into a club after the first shot if someone panics. Even some of my PCC's too much for Wife. Have one little 9mm that is so light and short she will not shoot it. Found she does LOVE the AR and the Ruger version in 9mm. So keep those where she can get one if needed. Now that last house shotgun that is a safe queen is not going to be sold. It sits in safe with a bandoleer of 56 rounds of OO and slugs over the barrel as a "just in case" I have to grab and go gun. It's not something I would grab now days for things that go bump in the night. For that my current favorite is an AR pistol with a brace. Short, light, easy to maneuver, and supper easy to put as many rounds as I need where I need to put them. I am FAR from a "hater" of them though. The nice auto loader Moss came out with a while ago is VERY tempting for me. I have many times looked at a 930 set up for home and thought about buying one. Look like very nice house gun.
 
I never cared for shotguns for much except killing things with feathers.

Since I am from the South and hunted all my life with a shotgun and the only gun legal to shoot deer with since I can remember, shotguns sure as heck have done a good job of taking down a whole lot of them.for a whole lot of years.
Maybe that is why I have so many and use one for home defense. Use to handling them and love shooting them.
 
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Since I am from the South and hunted all my life with a shotgun and the only gun legal to shoot deer with since I can remember, shotguns sure as heck have done a good job of taking down a whole lot of them.for a whole lot of years.
Maybe that is why I have so many and use one for home defense. Use to handling them and love shooting them.
I haven't lived anywhere except the South, and yes, shotguns do the job- I just prefer to take deer with a rifle of some type whenever possible.
 
I haven't lived anywhere except the South, and yes, shotguns do the job- I just prefer to take deer with a rifle of some type whenever possible.
Yes they do. Especially the rifled ones. My son has a Mossberg 500 with the 24" rifled barrel w/scope. It will put the 300grn sabot bullets, 3 shots, into a 2" group at 100yds. Plus the trajectory and velocity makes it useful to 250yds or so. They aren't grampa's old slug guns.
 
I remember as far back as before and during the 90s, 00s, and even just about 12 or so years ago it seemed shotguns were a widely accepted choice for HD use. Lately, I see a lot of “hate” on shotguns, usually people who say “AR15” or PCC are the better choices will be the ones to talk the most trash. I’m not here to start an argument, nor am I claiming the AR15 to be bad or anything like that. I’m just curious why all the sudden there’s been sort of a shift in opinion? I’m all for personal preference, and could care less if someone tells me what I use for HD isn’t adequate for them, but I find it ridiculous to take it to the extremes many take it on the internet. In my opinion, it seems many of these people have complaints that generally sound like they have no real experience with shotguns. What do you think?
Use what you think is best for your situation.
Haters gonna hate.
It's not your problem.
 
If a deer broke into my house, I might refer a rifle also. But if the Geese on my lawn attack me while I am getting them to leave, it is a shogun. Guess there are good reasons to own all types of firearms. I just prefer pistols in the house.

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I own pretty much every type of firearm----a shotgun still stays in the bedroom-----a 9mm pistol is the first line of defense, should I need to fall back to something heavy, the shotgun will get the call.
 
Since I hunt dove, quail and ducks a lot, and have all my life, I believe I’ve actually fired shotguns a good bit more than centerfire rifles. I can’t decide which is better so there’s a pistol in my nightstand, a shotgun and AR-15 in my bedroom. When I have grandchildren(my kids need to get it in gear), the pistol will go in a biometric safe in the nightstand and the long guns will go in the gun safe.
 
I think the main reason there has been a shift to rifles and the AR platform specifically by many is a result of the military conflicts this country has been in during the last 19 years. As many military veterans return from war they are more comfortable with what weapons they have been trained with, used to defend themselves and most have been armed with an M4, M16 or variant. It is natural that they gravitate to what they know. Just because someone has been in the military or law enforcement doesn't mean they are a "gun" person. Most leave their service no more interest in firearms than the average person and their only exposure to firearms is what they happened to be trained on and that training for most is very basic.

I don't think there is one "best" home self defense weapon. What weapon or weapons one chooses for home defense should be the result of a measured evaluation of ones situation, location and how fast one is likely to need to deploy it.
 
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No hate here other than recoil with slugs . Dad loaded his shotgun during the MLK riots , these days have mine ready along with M&P 9 . My apartment is in a pretty good area but never know , few years ago there was a crazy waving a shotgun around in parking lot.

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Why does there have to be so much generalization?
Just kidding. It does seem that a lot of posts do generalize and ask, "Why does everybody hate so and so", or "why so much hate for...".
In most cases you'll have to search high and low to find many postpinions (my new word) supporting the premise stated.
In the past ten years working my retirement job in firearms retail you could count on one hand the number of shotgun disparagers.
I, personally, do not care for the AR, and most tactical shotguns but I see their purpose.
My behind-the-door shotgun is a well polished (internally) 870 Express with a mag extension, red dot and stock sleeve. It will be getting some '50s police walnut in the near future.
 
I have shot so much Buck shot over the years and still do (at Least before all the crap). It is Devastating at close range. You might have to shoot a intruder a few times with your handgun, but one shot to center mass with a load of buck shot and the bad guy will not be getting up. A whole lot of lead holes with that one single shot.
 
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I just bought my first home defense shotgun a couple weeks ago. I've always kept a handgun at the ready but never a long gun. Recent events have showed me that I need to step up my game to big and bad. I've been prepared for "A" Intruder, "A" bad guy. Now I'm thinking more than one. Maybe three, four or even more. I'm pretty good with a handgun. Not as good as a lot of others but probably better than the average. But I know shooting at the range is a whole different world than going into battle, in the middle of the night with one or probably several aholes. So my thinking has changed. Big, Loud and Ending. I still have my handgun ready. I just added PaPa.
Apparently I'm not the only one. At the range yesterday I noticed several brand new shotguns and buckshot is out of stock in every store I've been in. I think I bought the last four boxes in my town two weeks ago.
Hate? I don't think so. I think it's a coming love affair.
 
I dont have an AR but I do have an AK. It would be my last resort in a home invasion unless it was in the same room and I didnt have time to reach for something else. I live in a small rural antiquated subdivision. Lots of thin wood walls around.

I have 3 handguns at the ready and two shotguns that could be ready fast. I dont keep long guns loaded in the house because I have kids running around and theyre 10x harder to conceal. No hate for shotguns here. If not for the kiddies the shotties would be loaded too. I do sometimes load a single shot shotgun when I sit outside late at night in the summer, plus several rounds in my pocket.... but it gets unloaded the minute I go back in the basement door.

I want to pick up a semiauto PCC in 45ACP eventually for HD duty. That way I dont have to keep it loaded but mags can be nearby and loaded into it quick. And 45's will probably be nullified quickly by several walls in comparison to rifle rounds.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone. I think everyone has a pretty good answer but I feel some may have misunderstood my post. That’s what I get for writing it so early in the morning.

To further explain myself... hate wasn’t the best word, and definitely came off as a generalization. This was absolutely not my intention. I couldn’t really think of the words to say, but what I was really getting at was what some have mentioned here already:

-There are people who are on opposite ends of opinion with shotguns. There are folks that think it is like a hose of death that doesn’t have to be aimed, and then there are those that think shotguns have absolutely no range outside of 10-15 yds and have no power further out. Neither are correct but commonly believed by hunters and non hunters, by shotgun owners and those that do not own a shotgun, or any firearm at all.
-The AR has become more popular over time in the same way as the Glock. People are shifting away from shotguns and selecting semi-auto rifles, just as many are completely ignoring revolvers, leaving DA/SA behind and switching to striker fired. Note: this is not a complaint, but it’s an accurate observation that many of you have mentioned here.
-While some people on the internet give off the “its my way or the highway” mindsets, it’s clear that not everyone is like this, but it seems to be a trend with several YouTube “gun personalities” and I don’t really get bothered by it, I just see this most often against shotguns than over any other firearm.

and I’m sure I’m missing a few things, but I definitely understand those of you who prefer rifles or handguns. I prefer the shotgun for home defense because I have the most experience with it, don’t mind the recoil of the 12ga, and live somewhere where I have no chance of reaching my neighbors. I believe the shotgun has the most reports of one shot stops over any other form of firearm (well, within the realms of HD), but I am also aware that shotguns tend to be the most commonly available firearm, even to people in countries that are not protected with the second amendment, so this could help the statistics a little. Also, just because I prefer it definitely doesn’t mean I don’t have the handguns and rifles, too. It seems practically all of you are in that same category.

I have also noticed the shortage in shotguns, but I don’t think it’s just from people buying them out. I have a feeling mossberg and maybe Remington is focusing on their police and military contracts right now, resulting in a shortage in the civilian market, but I have no way to confirm this, however I do remember Mossberg sending an email when this pandemic stuff started, stating they were focusing on security/police styled weapons during these times and limiting production of hunting specific ones.
 
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Seems there’s a lot more people looking for a 1 or 2 gun covers everything solution. The Glock guys are a good example of that in that they buy a g27 and stick in longer mags to their hearts content and call that a gun that fills every role from pocket rocket to high capacity game gun. ARs got so cheap that they were an easy and inexpensive upgrade over a basic shotgun for a while so they sold like crazy and people want to pair that with that same Glock 27 or whatever they picked and find a way to make that work i their situation... and as human nature goes, my opinion is the only one that matters, so I’m right, here’s your answer, take it or leave it. I may not qualify for defensive gun talk though, I only keep a (gasp in horror) Taurus (yes the one brand that can’t possibly work per internet lore) PT99 with a spare mag or 3 handy. I figure 70 rounds on tap ought to be plenty.
 
Seems there’s a lot more people looking for a 1 or 2 gun covers everything solution. The Glock guys are a good example of that in that they buy a g27 and stick in longer mags to their hearts content and call that a gun that fills every role from pocket rocket to high capacity game gun. ARs got so cheap that they were an easy and inexpensive upgrade over a basic shotgun for a while so they sold like crazy and people want to pair that with that same Glock 27 or whatever they picked and find a way to make that work i their situation... and as human nature goes, my opinion is the only one that matters, so I’m right, here’s your answer, take it or leave it. I may not qualify for defensive gun talk though, I only keep a (gasp in horror) Taurus (yes the one brand that can’t possibly work per internet lore) PT99 with a spare mag or 3 handy. I figure 70 rounds on tap ought to be plenty.
You mentioned Taurus so I'll just jump in here and say I shot my first Taurus yesterday. A G4 9mm. Worked perfect out off the box, no problems and just as accurate as any other hand gun I've fired lately. Cheap is good, Good and cheap is better.
 
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