Why does there seem to be shotgun hate?

[Ivy Mike]

Boy, I bet 00 buck would make a mess of it...

Not if I turned it up to 11. It would stop that piddly little shot in its tracks with the intro to Peace Sells...but who's buying?

 

[SharpDog]

Why would I ever pay good money for an AR? What do I look like, the US government?

Judging from your profile pic, you look like the Russian gov't ... prolly why you cannot afford an AR

 

[Ivy Mike]

Judging from your profile pic, you look like the Russian gov't ... prolly why you cannot afford an AR

If you have learned anything from the 2016 Election, it's that shadow funding from Russia is plentiful and available for useful causes.

 

[jdh]

so how you going to aim?.

Red dot.

 

[cdb1]

I think the difference here is more training and practice than anything. A pump action shotgun is not a gentle thing. They use big fat long shells and require some force to get them to work right.
Anyone can be shown how to operate a shotgun, but there is a difference between understanding how it works and shooting it in the wilderness, and being able to operate it as an offensive/defensive weapon.
That being said, I do believe anyone of adequate stature and reach can handle a 12ga and do it successfully. Don't be gentle with it, it's not an AR, it won't break. Shove the shells in with some force, rack the pump with authority, give a good firm squeeze on the trigger.
And whatever you do, don't listen Billy Bob at the gun store telling you that you don't have to aim. It's amazing how many people still believe that old nonsense. Practice no-look reloading. Learn to top up your magazine in between. TAKE A SHOTGUN CLASS!!!! We fall back on our training, we do not rise to the occasion.

I just think its difficult for the untrained person to acquire the dexterity to operate a pump action.

It may just be semantics but in my mind it doesn’t take much dexterity at all to operate a pump shotgun.

 

[George P]

I think the difference here is more training and practice than anything. A pump action shotgun is not a gentle thing. They use big fat long shells and require some force to get them to work right.
Anyone can be shown how to operate a shotgun, but there is a difference between understanding how it works and shooting it in the wilderness, and being able to operate it as an offensive/defensive weapon.
That being said, I do believe anyone of adequate stature and reach can handle a 12ga and do it successfully. Don't be gentle with it, it's not an AR, it won't break. Shove the shells in with some force, rack the pump with authority, give a good firm squeeze on the trigger.
And whatever you do, don't listen Billy Bob at the gun store telling you that you don't have to aim. It's amazing how many people still believe that old nonsense. Practice no-look reloading. Learn to top up your magazine in between. TAKE A SHOTGUN CLASS!!!! We fall back on our training, we do not rise to the occasion.

I prefer to point; my success is greatly improved that way

 

[swingmaster]

When hunting how many people wear hearing acoustical protection?

Ron

I hunt outdoors...no comparison to indoor noise level effects. I agree with the rest of your post. Hearing protection would be way down the list of things I would be concerned with in a defensive situation.

 

[Ivy Mike]

It may just be semantics but in my mind it doesn’t take much dexterity at all to operate a pump shotgun.

Just to stand there and do it, no it does not.
But do it under stress and you might find that changes. That's why I made a big deal out of getting some training and practicing with it. For a bird hunt, it likely doesn't matter that much. But in a home defense or against some fash, you need to be sure of what you're doing.

 

[swingmaster]

Just to stand there and do it, no it does not.
But do it under stress and you might find that changes. That's why I made a big deal out of getting some training and practicing with it. For a bird hunt, it likely doesn't matter that much. But in a home defense or against some fash, you need to be sure of what you're doing.

The same holds true for a handgun, rifle or slingshot. Training under simulated high stress conditions is always helpful and you always need dexterity.

 

[I6turbo]

Lots of defensive shotguns now have a rear sight of some sort. I've found a good ghost ring to work fine. Pointing a shotgun comes from shooting birds on the wing. Defensive use requires aiming.

Hitting a target, moving or not, with one of my shotguns (that fit me, and that I've practiced with to the point that I have what some call "muscle memory"), is a matter of having my eye on the target, snapping the gun into firing position, and it will be pointing exactly where I'm looking (I may be looking ahead of a moving target that needs to be led). I don't need to wait to check the "aim" before pulling the trigger. The round will impact where I'm looking. That's how you break a clay bird 10 yards out of the trap on a crossing shot, how you get two or three birds on a quail covey rise, or anything else that requires getting off accurate and very quick shots, whether the target is moving/flying or not. If someone can't do that, they probably have some mix of causes such as, they don't have a shotgun that fits them, they haven't practiced enough, they haven't practiced the proper technique, or (perhaps less likely) they just have no ability to learn to shoot this way even with a gun that fits and plenty of practice.

 

[GEM]

On hold for a staff look.

 

[kudu]

I believe this thread has run it's course. Closed.