Why does there seem to be shotgun hate?

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Because a lot of gun owners arent too sophisticated and have fragile egos.

Shotguns can work well. When they dont.... chances are operator error/ misapplication
 
Im hunting for anothrr 870 express supermag, 2000s era.

Have one, want another to D&T for optic......turkey hunting.
 
I imagine that operator error is most common with pump guns with racking and reloading. Not uknown if you watch folks with such in competition and going fast.
 
JackaL618 said:
I remember as far back as before and during the 90s, 00s, and even just about 12 or so years ago it seemed shotguns were a widely accepted choice for HD use. Lately, I see a lot of “hate” on shotguns, usually people who say “AR15” or PCC are the better choices will be the ones to talk the most trash. I’m not here to start an argument, nor am I claiming the AR15 to be bad or anything like that. I’m just curious why all the sudden there’s been sort of a shift in opinion? I’m all for personal preference, and could care less if someone tells me what I use for HD isn’t adequate for them, but I find it ridiculous to take it to the extremes many take it on the internet. In my opinion, it seems many of these people have complaints that generally sound like they have no real experience with shotguns. What do you think?
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Nothing wrong with shotguns for self defense.

There are just better choices these days.

An AR style rifle gives you most of what a shotgun does with more options and faster reloads, and may be arguably more reliable.

OTOH, chances are in any reasonable scenario, a shotgun will be adequate, as would a handgun.
 
ilbob said:
Nothing wrong with shotguns for self defense.

There are just better choices these days.

An AR style rifle gives you most of what a shotgun does with more options and faster reloads, and may be arguably more reliable.

OTOH, chances are in any reasonable scenario, a shotgun will be adequate, as would a handgun.
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I think you meant better choices for yourself. I find the shotgun a much better choice for myself to include my home. A AR would not work period. Shotguns should not even be compared to pistols. We also can only use a shotgun in many areas of the state for Deer hunting. And there is valid reason for that. No one would be using a AR in those areas. I am not referring to you when I say there are many people commenting against shotguns that give me the impression that they really know very little about them, don't train with them and shoot them very little if at all.
Even the title to this thread comes across like typical internet. Why the hate? Lol, I guess the video game boys might hate them. We have a love for them.
 
Ernie Bass said:
I think you meant better choices for yourself. I find the shotgun a much better choice for myself to include my home. A AR would not work period. Shotguns should not even be compared to pistols. We also can only use a shotgun in many areas of the state for Deer hunting. And there is valid reason for that. No one would be using a AR in those areas. I am not referring to you when I say there are many people commenting against shotguns that give me the impression that they really know very little about them, don't train with them and shoot them very little if at all.
Even the title to this thread comes across like typical internet. Why the hate? Lol, I guess the video game boys might hate them. We have a love for them.
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Well Said!!
 
I have within a few steps several guns with which I am plenty proficient after several decades of shooting and practice. If I needed one for self defense inside my home - say a large bear breaks through my door and seems intent on killing my family - my own experience tells me that there's no match for a short and maneuverable 12 gauge. I'd go with the top gun in the photo below, and if for some reason I couldn't grab that one, I'd go for the 2nd one down.

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A shotgun will end a bad situation in a hurry- at 25 to 50 feet they make an incredible mess- and the criminal will not survive to tell some tale of why the he// he/she was in your home-
...and lets face it..."home" defense is not a long range deal-
 

After reading through many of the comments I am surprised I didn't see this video by Paul Harrell posted. He does make valid points in his presentation on the side of shotguns for home defense.

As for me, my Ruger LCRx is in my speed safe next to my wife's Glock 42. ;)
 
To me, where the shotgun shines is in it's versatility. With one firearm a person can hunt any type of game from squirrels and birds all the way up through big game and even dangerous game. One can load with buckshot for home defense or load with slugs to disable a vehicle or penetrate a barrier. The shotgun can do it all. If I lived in a rural area and had to choose only one long gun, or even just one gun period, it would be a 12ga pump.

The issue I have with it is that just like anything else if you want to be proficient you have to practice. Defensive shotgun ammo is not cheap and recoil can be devastating to many shooters. Limited capacity may also be an issue. When using buckshot you need to be mindful that you're sending multiple pellets down range and you're responsible for each and every one of them. This is an issue I run into with shotguns because people often buy a shotgun based on the mistaken premise that a shotgun doesn't have to be aimed.

Although the shotgun isn't my first home defense weapon it's silly to not view them as a viable choice providing you take the time to develop proficiency.
 
tws3b2 said:
You Point And Shoot a shotgun. You Don't "Aim" a shotgun. You "Aim" a rifle and you "Aim" a handgun but not a shotgun. A shotgun has no rear sight " except with rifled barrel" and only a front bead "No front sight" so how you going to aim?.
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Lots of defensive shotguns now have a rear sight of some sort. I've found a good ghost ring to work fine. Pointing a shotgun comes from shooting birds on the wing. Defensive use requires aiming.
 
Your ears wouldn’t enjoy any guns fired indoors without hearing protection.
I think it is important to point out on the decibel chart above that the test barrel used was 18.5 inches. I’m sure some choose this length but I’d guess the majority of ar rifles in circulation are 16”. At pistol is certainly another story.
 
Antihero said:
Which Peavey amp?

I've got a few from the dawn of Peavey like the Vulcan and Dynabass
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I had a Peavey Max Bass 700 from the early 2000s that was just a Peavey Firebass 700 from the 80s-90s with some EQ tweaks. Made in Meridian, MS and it was a great amp, other than weighing a freaking ton. Funny thing is that Peavey used some leftover PA transformers in those thing, so you could have actually rewired it (if you felt like unwinding the transformer a bit) and added another power section for stereo use. Needless to say, it was typical Peavey US made stuff that didn't have much in the way of bells and whistles but goddamn was it loud. In fact, it didn't really like to do quiet at all. She was happiest with the Contour knob dimed out, plugged into a growling 5-string P-bass and sitting on top of a pair of 4x10 SWR cabs. And I swear I could have unloaded my shotgun into it and it wouldn't have cared. That thing survived a nosedive off the tailgate of a pickup with nothing more than a busted volume pot. $6 for a new pot and she came right back to life. Sold it when I quit playing live.
But I still own my old Peavey 15" 300w combo. Same stupidly rugged construction. Black Widow speaker with the replaceable speaker basket and ready should I feel to plug in, or need a big door stop or a jack stand or a buckshot target.
 
When hunting how many people wear hearing acoustical protection? During a home invasion how many people will be concerned with hearing protection?

Personally I choose a home defense gun based on my home not the home of someone else. Where an AR is a great choice for many it is a poor choice for others. When it comes to my having to actually fire a gun in my home in a defensive roll my last concern is how loud the thing is or wondering about putting on hearing protection. I want to hear someone entering my home. People should use what works for them and not what someone totally unfamiliar with their home suggest.

Ron
 
cdb1 said:
What?
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I think the difference here is more training and practice than anything. A pump action shotgun is not a gentle thing. They use big fat long shells and require some force to get them to work right.
Anyone can be shown how to operate a shotgun, but there is a difference between understanding how it works and shooting it in the wilderness, and being able to operate it as an offensive/defensive weapon.
That being said, I do believe anyone of adequate stature and reach can handle a 12ga and do it successfully. Don't be gentle with it, it's not an AR, it won't break. Shove the shells in with some force, rack the pump with authority, give a good firm squeeze on the trigger.
And whatever you do, don't listen Billy Bob at the gun store telling you that you don't have to aim. It's amazing how many people still believe that old nonsense. Practice no-look reloading. Learn to top up your magazine in between. TAKE A SHOTGUN CLASS!!!! We fall back on our training, we do not rise to the occasion.
 
Clean97GTI said:
I had a Peavey Max Bass 700 from the early 2000s that was just a Peavey Firebass 700 from the 80s-90s with some EQ tweaks. Made in Meridian, MS and it was a great amp, other than weighing a freaking ton. Funny thing is that Peavey used some leftover PA transformers in those thing, so you could have actually rewired it (if you felt like unwinding the transformer a bit) and added another power section for stereo use. Needless to say, it was typical Peavey US made stuff that didn't have much in the way of bells and whistles but goddamn was it loud. In fact, it didn't really like to do quiet at all. She was happiest with the Contour knob dimed out, plugged into a growling 5-string P-bass and sitting on top of a pair of 4x10 SWR cabs. And I swear I could have unloaded my shotgun into it and it wouldn't have cared. That thing survived a nosedive off the tailgate of a pickup with nothing more than a busted volume pot. $6 for a new pot and she came right back to life. Sold it when I quit playing live.
But I still own my old Peavey 15" 300w combo. Same stupidly rugged construction. Black Widow speaker with the replaceable speaker basket and ready should I feel to plug in, or need a big door stop or a jack stand or a buckshot target.
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Boy, I bet 00 buck would make a mess of it...:neener:
 
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