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Why is it that if a person does not prefer a Glock, the Glock fans call them haters? You do not hear this term with any other models or their owners. It is unique to the Glock owners. And dare forbid anyone to not prefer one. Because they will surely be called a hater. I wonder if folks that actually do not care for a Glock, and really think nothing of them one way or the other, but just actually disdain many Glock owners more than the actual firearm? I read your post and you bash one Manufacturer, then in the same breath, call out nonsense like Glock Haters.
I doubt anyone really Hates a Firearm. Most just do not think about one or buy one. I think you like the thought of millions of people sitting around all day just hating Glocks. No, my friend, no one hates Glocks. You might actually enjoy life more without that thought constantly in your head.

I would say that, more than other brands, there exists an actual group of haters who cannot wait to chime in with their dislike at absolutely every opportunity.

Sure, it it might have something to do with the sizeable group of Glock enthusiasts who are quick to extoll Glocks virtues at any opportunity and chime in with "get a Glock" on nearly every "what should I get" thread even if they are not an option.

It's much like the "if it's not a Colt, it's a copy" crowd in the 1911 circles.
 
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Why? it all comes down to the bean counters in the end.

That is clearly an ignorant statement. Did you mean to be funny, or do you really not know?

"Bean counters" are a convenient, but very inaccurate scapegoat.

Let me enlighten you...government accountants and financial managers at ALL levels, from the pentagon staff to base and individual units, rarely, if ever, get to make the decision on anything...from what furniture or tools to buy, what companies are hired to pave roads, build facilities, or empty the trash, or what weapon systems to procure. "Bean counters" don't even set budgetary amounts, decision makers do that. "Bean counters" are given the amounts to account for, and held responsible, to include prison time, if amounts authorized are exceeded or misused. This is know as "pecuniary liability". All financial control, transactions, and accounting are governed by federal law.

Also involved are "procurement officials" who are required to adhere to the Federal Acquisition Regulations, aka "the FAR". These officials are also NOT final decision makers. Like financial managers, they are required to guide the decision makers to select an option that is a legal option. There are all sorts of regulations derived from federal law that procurement actions must take, from source selection, companies allowed, etc. and BTW, all laws I am talking about are enacted by the US Congress.

Ultimately, procurement decisions are based on a defined requirement and conditions of award. Minimum criteria is established. "Must have's" are identified. Selection rules are posted. Depending on the requirement, timelines are published, and final decisions are clarified.

The final decision/selection is made by a decision maker (among allowable alternatives and within the scope of the solicitation), and pretty much all decision makers are either in a position of command, a civilian director, or a politically appointed hack. The decision should be explained by some criteria such as "lowest cost", "best value", or some other supposedly 'verifiable' reason.

Of course, some (most?) decisions are politically motivated...surprised? And most of the time, you'll never really know it. Was the Sig 320 really the best alternative? who really knows...but it was a defendable decision. Could there have been a "favor" owed to a NH senator or congress person? maybe. Maybe a large contributor to a political campaign made a few calls. Who knows...none of us will ever truly know.

But don't blame the "bean counter"...that's just lazy and ignorant.
 
Spring kits are relatively cheap and required maintenance on most striker fired pistols.

Is it "just" a striker fire issue? Aren't springs pretty much a consumable part on all firearms? I know a friend who changes out his 1911 springs every 10K rounds. I change out my AR extractor spring every 5K rounds.

I keep a couple sets of Glock replacement springs around, but rarely had to change one. Same on my XDm and Shield.

Unless you are talking about the recoil spring...which Glock does recommend changing buy I quit doing so because it really isn't necessary, from my personal experience and sample of my handful of Glock's...
 
I do not think Taurus and Ruger get involved very much with Gov/Municipal bids. No not the bean Counters, but the purchasing agents and Procurement officials is where the dirt starts. There is a very interesting book "Buying of a President" that shows the enormous junk that was purchased by the US Gov. (Glocks not included). Politics, Under the table deals, lobbyist and on and on. Nothing new, this has been going on as long as Prostitution has been around. I would say that most large Manufaturers that make a whole lot of money on Gov. bids have made it a art. If anyone really thinks a bid is won simply because one product is superior, then I would have to say they are a little naive.
It is a interesting racket, and many great reads on the subject. And don't forget a whole lot of money involved. Lol, of course there is corruption.
 

Glocks really are soulless and I don't care. If (God forbid) I ever have to shoot some dumbass tweaker and my Glock 19 disappears into the evidence locker, so what? It's a Glock 19, there are a million more just like it.

LOL! All guns are "soulless"...even that vintage 1911 war hero, or collector edition Walker Colt, or street seasoned wood and faded blueing S&W wheel gun carried for 20 years on the streets of South Chicago. I will admit, those guns do have some pretty lines and cool nostalgia. But all that goes out the window when it's time to get to work. And like you said, I'd much rather have my G19 sitting in some police locker than a $3500 Wilson Combat 1911.
 
Now that's an oft parroted remark. Doesn't make it true or false. Let's say it's true that it all comes down to "bean counters", are Glocks the cheapest solution out there? If not, the Police, Federal and Military would be issuing Taurus and Ruger's among others.
They are all more than capable of submitting a gun for any bid. Making it through the the trial might be another issue for Taurus and Ruger. :evil:

Ill put it another way... Lets say you have 3 manufactures guns pass through trials with flying colors. The cheapest one will win the contract is what I am saying. That goes for the Fed gov down to the smallest state dept. that "issues".

If I recall correctly Glocks bid on the XM19 was 90mil more than Sig. How much less were they than the competition in the FBI trials? How about NYPD, etc. etc. etc. Being a private company not many would know. If they were public everything would be much easier to research... Maybe that adds to the mystique?
 
LOL! All guns are "soulless"...even that vintage 1911 war hero, or collector edition Walker Colt, or street seasoned wood and faded blueing S&W wheel gun carried for 20 years on the streets of South Chicago. I will admit, those guns do have some pretty lines and cool nostalgia. But all that goes out the window when it's time to get to work. And like you said, I'd much rather have my G19 sitting in some police locker than a $3500 Wilson Combat 1911.

I mostly agree, but in the bolded part, considering the slim chances of you ever needing to shoot someone I'd rather chance my best shooting gun getting confiscated over missing with some lesser gun on the vague worry about "losing" an expensive gun. If it saves me and mine, money well spent.

Now, if you shoot both the same? Then I can see going with the cheaper option. Or in Glocks case, the lighter more comfortable to carry option.
 
Is it "just" a striker fire issue? Aren't springs pretty much a consumable part on all firearms? I know a friend who changes out his 1911 springs every 10K rounds. I change out my AR extractor spring every 5K rounds.

I keep a couple sets of Glock replacement springs around, but rarely had to change one. Same on my XDm and Shield.

Unless you are talking about the recoil spring...which Glock does recommend changing buy I quit doing so because it really isn't necessary, from my personal experience and sample of my handful of Glock's...

I have noticed that when most guys say there gun has been flawless up to this point but no longer, it’s usually because they haven’t done maintenance. That could mean cleaning, extractor spring, recoil spring, or even lint from a sock drawer.
 
I'm aware of the Marksman barrel in the Gen 5, but what was the barrel change between the Gen 3 and Gen 4?

If I recall correctly only the chambers for the 40/10..

The "Marksmanship barrel" in gen 5 utilizes a G19 gen2 locking block and lug dimensions. (G17 is just a longer G19 barrel). So its kind of a digression.
 
And like you said, I'd much rather have my G19 sitting in some police locker than a $3500 Wilson Combat 1911.
I mostly agree, but in the bolded part, considering the slim chances of you ever needing to shoot someone I'd rather chance my best shooting gun getting confiscated over missing with some lesser gun on the vague worry about "losing" an expensive gun. If it saves me and mine, money well spent.


Agreed.. If it saved me or my families lives it was worth every cent paid no matter the cost. Dont really matter if I never see it again.
 
Of course, some (most?) decisions are politically motivated...surprised? And most of the time, you'll never really know it. Was the Sig 320 really the best alternative? who really knows...but it was a defendable decision. Could there have been a "favor" owed to a NH senator or congress person? maybe. Maybe a large contributor to a political campaign made a few calls. Who knows...none of us will ever truly know.

But don't blame the "bean counter"...that's just lazy and ignorant.

Accountant by chance? :neener:

How many here have read Glock: The Rise of Americas gun.?
quite interesting to read exactly how they got started in LEO market... :what:
 
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Why Glock? They can be effectively operated by shooters with the lowest skill level. They rarely malfunction so no need to know how to clear a malfunction, they have no external safety so you don't have to remember to disengage the safety, they are striker fired meaning they only have one trigger weight to deal with which is perfect for shooters who aren't proficient enough to safely use a Double Action/Single Action platform, their finish appears to be very durable and you have magazine compatibility across the entire double stack line.

What I don't like about Glock? Glock Leg and Fanboys who can't even reply to a post about a H&H double barrel rifle without mentioning their Glock 26.

See, this is an example of ignorant Glock hate, dutifully liked by “Jeb”. It ignores the fact that Glocks are in the hands of some of our military’s top special operators.
It also ignores old guys like me who carried 1911’s or HiPowers for decades before discovering how well Glocks perform.
The HiPower, in particular was my favorite nine. Owned several over the years, and carried one, a ‘73C a lot.

My Glock journey started during a 1911 phase, when I had decided I wanted a compact carry 45. When I researched them on 1911 forum, they all seemed to be considered finicky.
However, I stumbled into a lot of praise for the Glock 30. Mas Ayoob was one of the most vocal in his like for G30, and his claims of accuracy and reliability.
Coincidentally, I found a G30 for sale near me pretty cheap, and bought it. Sure enough, it was all it was described as...accurate, light weight, reliable.
I decided to trade a Beretta 92FS I had for a G17 in order to get some cheaper 9mm glock-trigger practice.
Not long after that, I got a great Armslist deal on a G26.
It didn’t take me long to find I shot the little G26 better than the HiPower I had been shooting for decades.
So, it’s Glock for me.
I enjoy a good Glock hater thread, need a good laugh, so carry on.
 
Accountant by chance? :neener:

How many here have read Glock: The Rise of Americas gun.?
quite interesting to read exactly how they got started in LEO market... :what:

LOL! Yeah...kind of...I’m a financial manager in DoD. For my last 17 years in uniform and the previous 9 years since hanging them up. How could you tell?

I’ll tell you, I do get tired of hearing how “you guys in finance” stop operations guys from getting the job done...like I make freaking laws on what they can and cannot do. It’s like blaming a cop for enforcing laws, or the cashiers at the HEB for the price of that steak you’re buying.

So maybe I was a bit touchy, and you surely aren’t the first nor last person to blame “bean counters”. You want to blame someone, blame the politicians who make stupid laws that complicate and restrict our lives...
 
See, this is an example of ignorant Glock hate, dutifully liked by “Jeb”. .

Oh God, here we go again. Lol, ok, lets go ahead and make this personal. And yes, you are the perfect example of what Plan2live has said. And he was right. No I do not like it, but can understand where he is coming from. Please do not use my name in you post. Thank you. especially when you make comments of what I do or not like. If you want to make this personal, you are welcome to pm me. I look forward to it.
I think it has been established on this forum that Glocks are great gun with a lot of benefits.
But it obviously going south with personal attacks. Might be time to shut it down.
 
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I mostly agree, but in the bolded part, considering the slim chances of you ever needing to shoot someone I'd rather chance my best shooting gun getting confiscated over missing with some lesser gun on the vague worry about "losing" an expensive gun. If it saves me and mine, money well spent.

Now, if you shoot both the same? Then I can see going with the cheaper option. Or in Glocks case, the lighter more comfortable to carry option.

Sure, but who really carries the gun they shoot the best? That 5” 1911 with the hair trigger? The tricked out CZ75 tack driver? The competition G34? Nope, most of us are carrying what’s comfortable... a small revolver, a single stack poly wonder, a commander size 1911, maybe a compact plastic double stack?

And we are not generally talking about small group accuracy needed...combat accuracy on a torso size target typically wins the fight.

But I totally agree with your point...lives saved are well worth the cost of an heirloom firearm, regardless.
 
Sure, but who really carries the gun they shoot the best? That 5” 1911 with the hair trigger? The tricked out CZ75 tack driver? The competition G34? Nope, most of us are carrying a small revolver, or a single stack poly wonder.

And we are not generally talking about small group accuracy needed...combat accuracy on a torso size target typically wins the fight.

But I totally agree with your point...lives saved are well worth the cost of an heirloom firearm, regardless.

Well, I don't compete and don't have special target guns so I usually carry what I shoot best, which is either my Glock 19x, Sig 226 SAO or one of my 1911s, most recently my DW Valkyrie in 9mm.
 
Just own what you write or like. You’ve presented your opinion, and I have respectfully disagreed. No need to play the martyr.
Oh God, here we go again. Lol, ok, lets go ahead and make this personal. And yes, you are the perfect example of what Plan2live has said. And he was right. No I do not like it, but can understand where he is coming from. Please do not use my name in you post. Thank you. especially when you make comments of what I do or not like. If you want to make this personal, you are welcome to pm me. I look forward to it.
I think it has been established on this forum that Glocks are great gun with a lot of benefits.
But it obviously going south with personal attacks. Might be time to shut it down.
 
Well, I don't compete and don't have special target guns so I usually carry what I shoot best, which is either my Glock 19x, Sig 226 SAO or one of my 1911s, most recently my DW Valkyrie in 9mm.


I shoot the guns I carry the best. Make a point of it. They are the one's that get the most, if not all the training. At least 90%. And for myself, it is usually a Pocket gun or Micro 9mm. Sometimes the Subcompact. Also like shooting he revolvers.
Probably should spend more time with the larger guns.
 
They are all more than capable of submitting a gun for any bid. Making it through the the trial might be another issue for Taurus and Ruger. :evil:

Which makes my point.

Ill put it another way... Lets say you have 3 manufactures guns pass through trials with flying colors. The cheapest one will win the contract is what I am saying. That goes for the Fed gov down to the smallest state dept. that "issues".

And you know this for a fact?

If I recall correctly Glocks bid on the XM19 was 90mil more than Sig. How much less were they than the competition in the FBI trials? How about NYPD, etc. etc. etc. Being a private company not many would know. If they were public everything would be much easier to research... Maybe that adds to the mystique?

I believe the military had already made their choice before the trials and this is why the military came up with "Modular Pistol". It was written for Sig. Even though this modularity is of dubious practical use.
 
One thing I like about Glock the man and not the gun, was the fact that he was about to think "Out of the Box". Of course that meaning the Polymer grip. Then there are those that just do not conform or go along with the majority.

You might like this.

 
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Collectible old deep blued or engraved Colt and Smith revolvers, custom 1911's, etc. are works of art as much as they are tools. I wouldn't be inclined to take a work of art into combat, or risk losing it to the evidence locker in case of a defensive shooting, however. Besides, I find the unapologetic, utilitarian, simplicity of Glocks to be a thing of beauty in its own right. Ergonomically they wouldn't be my preference, but if I was told I could only choose one pistol to go to war with, it would be a Glock 17 or 19 for practical reasons.
 
Yes there is a certain beauty in something simple and utilitarian. My favorite car was a old 63 Black VW Bug with a crank out sunroof and no gas gauge. I had been working and saving since I was 12 years old, paid $300.00 for that car and loved every minute in it. Hunted with it, fished with it, and on and on. I miss that old car dearly.
 
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