Why no pump rifles?

Contemplating staying in their developer's minds. If a proven design pump in .223 that uses AR mags isn't going to ever become popular, it just isn't going to happen. The pump rifle had a good run, from the Colt rifles of the 1880's to the 760/7600 series, for hunting, but fell out of favor. If the Rem. 7615 didn't revive them, I don't see it happening. Maybe a rifle version of the SPAS shotgun could have a chance.
 
I recall Troy was making pump action AR-15s, but I have never seen one.
https://www.americanrifleman.org/content/review-troy-223-national-sporting-pump-action-rifle/

Henry makes a pump action .22 but not a pump gun for other cartridges.

I recall the Colt Lightning and Italian makers copying the design for Cowboy Action Shooting but those really didn’t go anywhere in popularity or sales.

Remington used to have the 760. No idea if they’re even made any longer.
 


In the UK pump action are classified the same as semiautos, so they are not going to help the market.

Everyone else seems to be happy with their semiautos and successful business make things that people buy.

Same reason 8 Track tapes seem nonexistent, the market is too small.
 
conan32120 said:
Seems to me with this new push to modernize lever guns you would think a pump action rifle or two would hit the market. Pump shotguns being hugely popular and recent bans on semi auto rifles indicates to me the market is ready for a rebirth. So where are they?
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You can readily make AR "single action" by deleting/plugging the gas port and removing the gas tube then using the charging handle to eject/chamber the next round.

UK has already been there and done that to get around "semi-auto" rifle ban - https://www.ammoland.com/2016/07/englands-sort-semi-auto-ar-15-type-rifle/

"The way these AR-15 type rifles work is that every time you pull the trigger, a round is fired and the shell is ejected but then the bolt is held open even with a loaded magazine. You then press your bolt catch release and another round is loaded and you are ready to fire again."​
 
I don't know, I think a pump gun in 9mm or .45acp might be fun and a pretty nice home defense carbine kinda like the hi point offerings. With west coast going towards no autoloader they would be a viable alternative. And as for slow, ain't nothing slow about my super nova
 
conan32120 said:
Seems to me with this new push to modernize lever guns you would think a pump action rifle or two would hit the market. Pump shotguns being hugely popular and recent bans on semi auto rifles indicates to me the market is ready for a rebirth. So where are they?
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Pump rifles are where they deserve to be - nowhere.

Given the choice, a levergun is much more stable on target for repeat firing than a pumpgun.

There's an inherent fallacy which gets bandied about in this context - pump and leverguns are expensive to design, and have exceptionally small market interest. If customers are force to NOT buy something they want, companies aren't in a particularly strong economic position to spend development and tooling costs to create a market for a higher priced, sub-performing product, which would, in that political climate, be stuck fighting high momentum against it. If the context of discussion is that a highly popular design, with an established market and huge manufacturing base is "killed" by policy, how are we to really believe a highly unpopular design with few existing designs and no manufacturing tooling would suddenly 1) become sufficiently popular and 2) have any reasonable belief for increased survivability? It's naïve.
 
I think the way forward for pump action rifles is for use with suppressors . Fast shooting , but without the rearward gasses and chamber noise . A carbine in .45 colt or .44 special , shooting heavy , subsonic bullets from a fast twist , integral silenced barrel , maybe with some interior buffers to quiet action noise , might sell .Something like an improved Timberwolf ?
 
In a way I like my 7615. When I bought it, I wanted to do a 450 BM conversion. I even procured a .473 bolt. Once again though, pragmatism took over and the boring Ruger American Ranch got the nod for economics and accuracy.

It is false logic to say that it would be a good hedge against a potential semi-auto ban. If a ban occurred, every firearm manufacturer would pull out any tricks to fill the void in the market and a few designs of pump rifles would emerge in no time at all and they would probably be way better than a 7600 based design.

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Varminterror said:
It's America, it's your right to be wrong.

Support hand movement, mic drop.
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I'm just drawing from my own experience. It should be pretty obvious though, that racking a pump is all in line with the barrel, whereas working the lever introduces a lateral force roughly perpendicular to the barrel, which for me at least tends to pull the aim off the target.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Pun intended.
 
Spug said:
I'm just drawing from my own experience. It should be pretty obvious though, that racking a pump is all in line with the barrel, whereas working the lever introduces a lateral force roughly perpendicular to the barrel, which for me at least tends to pull the aim off the target.

Different strokes for different folks, I guess. Pun intended.
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There's one in every crowd...
 
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