Why no pump rifles?

I really like the Remingtons 74/76 series of rifles, they are slim, fairly light and handy.
They also tend to have rust and reliability issues out here, and are one of the gun types id never buy used unless i can fully inspect them.
Ive also only ever had one of each since by the time I could afford them, i wasnt willing to deal with their
idiosyncrasies.
Even the BAR/BPRs are more hassle than i really want.........
As much as I would like to own all of them..... The other stuff I shoot more.

Maybe when i can afford to be a collector......
 
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LoonWulf said:
I really like the Remingtons 74/76 series of rifles, they are slim, fairly light and handy.
They also tend to have rust and reliability issues out here, and are one of the gun types id never buy used unless i can fully inspect them.
Ive also only ever had one of each since by the time I could afford them, i wasnt willing to deal with their
idiosyncrasies.
Even the BAR/BPRs are more hassle than i really want.........
As much as I would like to own all of them..... The other stuff I shoot more.

Maybe when i can afford to be a collector......
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Several guys in our hunting crew are using 760's that are well over 30 years old. I use a BAR chambered in 06 that is 50 years old.
 
I think if we analyze everything based on sheer value and performance, we’d all be buying exclusively AR-15 pattern rifles. And, lo and behold, they are indeed very popular. But there’s definitely room in the market for other types of guns. It’s hard to argue with the utility of a bolt gun too. Levers have that old west, John Wayne appeal. Pumps don’t really have a niche outside the fact that they’re fun. (I seriously challenge anyone to go shoot 15 rounds of .22lr through an old Winchester, Remington, or Savage .22 pump and not have a grin on their face.) And it’d be even better in 9mm. Or .38/357, 223, etc.
 
Maneiak said:
Several guys in our hunting crew are using 760's that are well over 30 years old. I use a BAR chambered in 06 that is 50 years old.
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Both my 7400 and 7600 were from the early 90s, both were good hunting guns but had to be kept clean.
Guns out here live in a salty environment and are generally shot often or never, add the difficulty in cleaning from the breech and most of the 74/76s ive seen up for sale as used, have had wd40 sprayed in the cracks but otherwise thats about it. Even guns with clean exteriors will sometimes have a rusted/pitted chamber, and any rust in the chamber will usually result in a stuck pump on the 76s, or rims ripped off on the 74s.
My BAR and most of the ones ive seen seem to do better than their Remington counterparts. Mines got a lightly pitted barrel and some rust spots in the chamber (my buddies dad bought it in the early 90s, and ive wanted it since high school), but is quite accurate, and very reliable. Its also something like 10lbs with a light scope on it, and when you consider its blued, I've never actually carried it hunting over any of my stainless bolts.
Again I'm not saying there's anything WRONG with any of these guns or the designs, they are excellent hunting rifles, and generally really fun to shoot.
 
There's Rossi's .22 LR pumps and .22 Mag pumps. Pull the trigger and hold it there, then pump away.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/TUSjkwGopdw

It would be grand to see the Israeli Timberwolf pump .357 mag come back.





Italian and Brazilian arms makers have pump reproductions. Most are horribly expensive and problems/quality-control-issues have been reported.







History story on a classic pump rifle, Remington Model 25:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX-4EsSsbQo

There are a bunch of 32-20 pumps still left out there; and hey, most are still serviceable, though thoroughly used. If that's not a neat truck rifle / handy-rifle, then I don't know what is. There was also the 25-20. This design of pump could be reproduced in .327 Fed Mag and .357 Mag (for the .357, the receiver may have to be enlarged; I'm no expert in this engineering realm). My paternal pap had a revolver in 32-20 (put food on the table and it kept him from being stabbed by a knife-welding armed robbers ... twice; once, he did have to shoot the felon). I think we all know that "back in the day", it was most efficient to have a rifle and revolver chambered for the same cartridge -- ammo was NOT cheap back then. Poor folk had to be most efficient in their expenditures. My folk were beyond simply poor.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Tcfniikdin4
 
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MacAR said:
I like my pump 22's, and I think a pump 243 would be a mighty handy "ranch" rifle for bouncing around in the pickup and shooting varmints. So for the time being, my old 94 30-30 will have to continue to fill that role. However, if someone (Henry?) decided to make a more modern, lightweight pump action in something like 243, 308, or 7mm-08, I would absolutely consider one provided they weren't astronomically priced. However, most folks don't think like I do so that will likely remain a pipe dream.

Mac
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A buddy of mine bought a 760 in .308 Win, when we were "elder" teenagers. It was awesome and very accurate!! Unlike 742s, 760s have free-floated barrels. The pump mechanism is supported by the magazine tube which is not attached to the barrel.
 
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troy fairweather said:
Always wished Remington would of updated the rem 141, it would be perfect for intermediate cartridges and can be scaled up or down. They can run pointed bullets to.
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Me too. I could kick myself for trading mine in 32 Remington. Just came across a box of ammo for it from my grandpa from around the 1930’s while cleaning up my reloading supplies
 
troy fairweather said:
Always wished Remington would of updated the rem 141, it would be perfect for intermediate cartridges and can be scaled up or down. They can run pointed bullets to.
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Dunno about the wisdom of running pointed thru that design, always heard that too with the explanation that the spiraled mag would account for the tip to primer issue.......However, just last year I picked up a basket case model 14 in .32 rem............and noted that while that mag design indeed prevents rounds from the dreaded point/primer contact in that mag, when the gun is cycled contact does exist in the tube just prior to chambering.........and it's a snapply round presentment as well! I'd anticipated using a modern design until I noted that condition. .321 bullets are hard to find....had my name on several vendors list for some Hornadys for a year now. Bought an Arsenal mould similar in design to the Lyman 311041 that shoots quite well, but I remain askance at the pointed concept. As an aside I like the concept you suggest and likely would pick up one up if offered. Remington did make that very rifle tho in at least two pistol caliber variants. In my case the gun was a spur of the moment trade with a buddy and took a lot of rebuilding but it is a slick and snappy handling rifle.........slow on the reload tho.
 
Ironicaintit said:
I love my 760 and don't understand why slide actions aren't more popular. follow up shots are fast and it's easy to stay on target, for me at least.
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That was my experience as well. I used a 7600 carbine as a brush-gun for deer hunting over iron sights. Lightning fast and the act of pumping it disturbed the sight picture no more than the recoil of the 30.06 itself. I just rode it back into sight alignment. Very instinctive. I have lever-actions and don’t find them as smooth. Maybe I haven’t shot them enough.
 
I'll take a pump over a lever any day.
Trigger hand doesn't move.
Rem 7600 have free float barrels.
Even the older 760s w first version forend systems can shoot really well.
Forends can be a little annoying in noise, only real complaint IMHO
 
A stainless 7600 w synth stock.
In .35 rem.
Wonder how those would sell?
 
I bought my first pump 7600 .270 in the early 1980's. Being a duck hunter and an 870 Wingmaster fan I naturally went with the pump. Very natural and comfortable to shoot. Before that I had hunted with a lever 30/30 Marlin and though I love levers there is no comparison to the fluidity of shooting motion with the pump. I have since also bought a used 760. Just great all around rifles.
 
prefer a pump action. whatever it is, I guess on a lever I don't like moving the hand that butts the stock against my shoulder. I'd rather keep that hold solid, and slide the forend. feels more natural of a movement, no idea if it has any benefit in performance, speed or accuracy, just feels better so it is more fun IMHO.
 
Pump rifles work great for guys that don't shoot off concrete benches and bi-pods.

Like the Remington shotguns, and would buy a rifle if there was one available that suited me.

A short barreled .30-06 comes to mind.


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9x56MS said:
You have obviously never shot a pump rifle. The mechanics of running the pump forward brings the rifle right back down with sights aligned on target.
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It’s amazing the lies people will tell themselves and believe whole heartedly just to defend some nostalgic preference.
 
Gun-Reck said:
If RemArms made an 18.5" barreled 7600, in .30-06, based on their new FieldMaster pump?

Would get one in a heart-beat.
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Can't say that I blame ya, but you can shoot it. A hard-kicking caliber like the '06 in a short, light rifle doesn't really appeal to me. I once had an 18" barreled Remington 740 308; recoil was mild but muzzle blast/ flash was killer.

Now, if I could have that package in a 243 or similar caliber I'd be on one in a minute. As I get older and my shoulders get worse, the light-weights begin to have more appeal.

Mac
 
I'm a fan of pumps. As one who has rifles in semi auto, bolt action, lever and pump, for me I can cycle a pump and stay on target faster without changing my grip. With practice you can get pretty fast with a bolt or lever but a pump IMHO has no learning curve.
But I do agree it's not the best action for high power centerfire cartridges.

I've wondered the same as the OP, why haven't we seen a resurgence in pump actions as an alternative to semi autos?
If I lived in a state that banned semi autos then I'd consider a pump action AR over a bolt action.
 
Old Hobo said:
History story on a classic pump rifle, Remington Model 25:
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The rifle in this video is not a Model 25.

It is a Model 14. Model 25s do not have a spiral magazine. Also, the magazine extends to within four inches of the muzzle and it loads from a trap door on the side of the magazine tube, not the bottom, like the Mod. 14 in the video. Further, Model 25s do not have the head stamped cartridge visible on the left side of this Mod.14s receiver.
 
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