Why no pump rifles?

[Hookeye]

Bolt shotguns may have some accuracy advantage, but it wouldn't be much IMHO.
Have had two rifled 870s that were darn good.

And they are faster on followups. Only needed that once but it was quick and effective.

 

[Hookeye]

Can't say that I blame ya, but you can shoot it. A hard-kicking caliber like the '06 in a short, light rifle doesn't really appeal to me. I once had an 18" barreled Remington 740 308; recoil was mild but muzzle blast/ flash was killer.

Now, if I could have that package in a 243 or similar caliber I'd be on one in a minute. As I get older and my shoulders get worse, the light-weights begin to have more appeal.

Mac

Id take a .308 win version.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Can't say that I blame ya, but you can shoot it. A hard-kicking caliber like the '06 in a short, light rifle doesn't really appeal to me. I once had an 18" barreled Remington 740 308; recoil was mild but muzzle blast/ flash was killer.

Now, if I could have that package in a 243 or similar caliber I'd be on one in a minute. As I get older and my shoulders get worse, the light-weights begin to have more appeal.

Mac

Was thinking 165 gr. handloaded to M2 ball spec., same as the M1 Rifle.

Reduced recoil and lower muzzle pressure, but still plenty of velocity.

Not too bad for a field rifle.

 

[9x56MS]

It’s amazing the lies people will tell themselves and believe whole heartedly just to defend some nostalgic preference.

Nostalgic? You really know not that of which you right. East of the Mississippi pump rifles are the preferred tool for still hunters who need to make fast accurate offhand shots. But alas younger hunters can’t be bothered to learn their quarries haunts and habits. We have become a nation of lazy hunters who sit in tree stands or shooting blinds and put out bait to draw in the deer. Plus the recoil averse shooters of today want 223 and 6.5 Manbuns.

 

[ATCDoktor]

The Remington 7615 is a fairly neat rifle.

It’s a little cumbersome to take apart and clean but a whole lot of fun to shoot.

I’ve had this one for quite sometime and enjoy shooting it a great deal:

10 shots 200 yards off a rest with Russian steel cased ammo

I replaced the hokey recoil absorbing pistol grip stock with a standard stock and had the barrel threaded for a suppressor to make it a little more to my liking:

With the can on it balances right ahead of the magazine well.

I thought seriously about having another barrel built up chambered in 300 blackout but that would have been a great deal of time and money and the juice wasn’t going to be worth the squeeze.

That said, if Remington hadn’t had gone under and would have offered this model in 300 BO I woulda bought one in a second.

 

[Varminterror]

younger hunters can’t…

…buy pump action rifles because they were not actually popular enough for manufacturers continue making them.

 

[Strange Bob]

Fixed it for you.

Don't really get that fix.

I shoot a lot off the bench. Have my own range here. Do I carry my Rem. 7600/760 to the bench? No. That's not what they are designed for. I have shot them off the bench but again, they are a field/hunting rifle. Your assumption that I don't shoot a lot shows a very narrow POV and is erroneous. Expand your mind and broaden your horizons. Rigidity of thought is for small thinkers.

 

[lysanderxiii]

Pump-action rifles, all the complication of a semi-automatic, but not semiautomatic.

 

[9x56MS]

Don't really get that fix.

I shoot a lot off the bench. Have my own range here. Do I carry my Rem. 7600/760 to the bench? No. That's not what they are designed for. I have shot them off the bench but again, they are a fields/hunting rifle. Your assumption that I don't shoot a lot shows a very narrow POV and is erroneous. Expand your mind and broaden your horizons. Rigidity of thought is for small thinkers.

Don’t waste your time with him Bob, he just likes to stir the pot without contributing anything positive to any discussion.

 

[Riomouse911]

I learned to shoot rifles on Dad’s Marlin 39A Golden Mountie, then Grandpas Winchester 1890. Then my first rimfire rifle buy at 18 years old was a 10/22. I didn’t shoot a bolt action .22 until my old college roommate left me his old Rem 581 when he moved out. I shot a lot of fox squirrels with the 1890, and always found it to be a great companion in the oak lined canyons of our old family ranch.

I like them all. I still have my original 10/22 and the 581 from college, so three years ago I found a clean Rossi 62a to shoot and Dad gave me the 39A last year to complete the set.

All can be quick to shoulder and shoot, and with the negligible recoil of the .22 LR keeping any of these guns on target during cycling is no issue. (Now in a more serious caliber this isn’t the case of course.)

Now if anyone wants a truly fast cycling bolt rifle with almost zero affect on the sight picture when operating the bolt, try a straight pull. My Mauser 96 American .270 is much faster to cycle than any of my other non-auto loading center fires, and the pull-push cycling motion keeps it in line and faster to reacquire the sights. IMHO, if people were truly concerned with firing fast bolt-action follow up shots, then the straight pull style of bolt action would be far more popular than it is.

Go with what you like, I say.

Stay safe.

 

[drobs]

In the UK pump action are classified the same as semiautos, so they are not going to help the market.

Everyone else seems to be happy with their semiautos and successful business make things that people buy.

Same reason 8 Track tapes seem nonexistent, the market is too small.

That's a neat rifle in that it has a fluted chamber to help with extraction.

 

[Varminterror]

Expand your mind and broaden your horizons. Rigidity of thought is for small thinkers.

“Rigidity of thought” is for folks who refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of the pump rifle design which are obvious to the entire firearms market.

I’ve owned several pump rifles, and they suck. I “expanded my mind” 25yrs ago driving deer with a 30-06 760 because that’s what all of the Boomers said was the best choice. I fought with that rifle for years - it worked for shooting deer at close range, because it’s really not difficult to hit deer at close range, but overall, compared to every other rifle design I used to hunt (save maybe single shot break guns), it sucks. I owned a Rem 121 for nearly 20yrs until a few years ago when a friend wanted to replace his father’s rifle to give to his grandson - a ton of fun to shoot something different when plinking pop cans from a fence rail at 25-50yrds, and capable of hunting bunnies, but relatively a poor design in itself (the ejector design is terrible), and feeding reliability absolutely sucks.

“Fun” and “different” certainly describe pump rifles. “Better” is not an appropriate adjective, and “faster” is largely a lie Boomers tell themselves to justify their small thinking. Even in this thread, we have guys lying to themselves about the support hand bringing the sights right back onto target… completely neglecting the fact that almost every other action on the market doesn’t move their sights as far off target to begin with, so that “advantage” is completely imaginary.

Pump guns are fun, but they’re finnicky, inaccurate, and expensive, all due their design - which is why consumers stopped buying them and manufacturers stopped making them.

When the thread title is “Why no pump rifles?” - THIS is why.

 

[Hookeye]

Sounds like you got a bad 7600/760.
It happens.
Thankfully I haven't found one.

Id steer clear of a 742 though.

 

[Hookeye]

On a 760 there's no bolt comin back at your face.

They are fast, and I've hunted bolt rigs, pumps, autos and falling blocks.
Maybe I work a 760 well because they fit me.

Id like to check out a Merkel Helix (no bolt coming back there either).

The only two issues I can see w a 760/7600.......
1. extraction isn't the most robust, so handloading might be a bit picky.
2. forend rattle.

 

[Gun-Reck]

Pump-action rifles, all the complication of a semi-automatic, but not semiautomatic.

Except for the gas system.

Which - is a rather large omission.

Have pump shotguns for the same reason.

 

[9x56MS]

“Rigidity of thought” is for folks who refuse to acknowledge the shortcomings of the pump rifle design which are obvious to the entire firearms market.

I’ve owned several pump rifles, and they suck. I “expanded my mind” 25yrs ago driving deer with a 30-06 760 because that’s what all of the Boomers said was the best choice. I fought with that rifle for years - it worked for shooting deer at close range, because it’s really not difficult to hit deer at close range, but overall, compared to every other rifle design I used to hunt (save maybe single shot break guns), it sucks. I owned a Rem 121 for nearly 20yrs until a few years ago when a friend wanted to replace his father’s rifle to give to his grandson - a ton of fun to shoot something different when plinking pop cans from a fence rail at 25-50yrds, and capable of hunting bunnies, but relatively a poor design in itself (the ejector design is terrible), and feeding reliability absolutely sucks.

“Fun” and “different” certainly describe pump rifles. “Better” is not an appropriate adjective, and “faster” is largely a lie Boomers tell themselves to justify their small thinking. Even in this thread, we have guys lying to themselves about the support hand bringing the sights right back onto target… completely neglecting the fact that almost every other action on the market doesn’t move their sights as far off target to begin with, so that “advantage” is completely imaginary.

Pump guns are fun, but they’re finnicky, inaccurate, and expensive, all due their design - which is why consumers stopped buying them and manufacturers stopped making them.

When the thread title is “Why no pump rifles?” - THIS is why.

Maybe the rifles didn’t fit you, or maybe you need more practice shooting from hunting positions. I have found them to be minute of deer accurate. But that’s just one old hunters opinion.

 

[Ironicaintit]

@Varminterror ,
Ya know, it's okay to not like them. Variety is the spice of life, after all! If I had my druthers, everything would be straight pull bolt...

but to denigrate those who do appreciate a nice slide action and color us as old fuddy duddies who can't or don't shoot.... well, not exactly High Road.

 

[Hookeye]

Except for the gas system.

Which - is a rather large omission.

Have pump shotguns for the same reason.

I like Remington 1100s just fine. Do help when doing triples on doves and geese (compared to 870) LOL

Back when I was younger, 1100s were a lb heavier and $100 bucks more.
THOSE seemed to be the major reasons why folks went with 870s.

I still have an 1100 Magnum, it runs non magnum stuff fine if lead and 1200 FPS or more.

IMHO, people tend to have issues w semis due to poor maintenance or ammo.
Or poor technique.

I had a 742 that ran and shot fine. Sold it to a big guy, and he said it jammed, w same ammo that ran fine for me.
Went to the range and indeed, I ripped em off without issue.

He was big, and soft. My guess is pillowy shoulder caused his problem.

 

[Hookeye]

Ive never short shucked an 870 either.
BTW, my favorite 870 was the 20 ga Special Field.

 

[Old Hobo]

The rifle in this video is not a Model 25.

It is a Model 14. Model 25s do not have a spiral magazine. Also, the magazine extends to within four inches of the muzzle and it loads from a trap door on the side of the magazine tube, not the bottom, like the Mod. 14 in the video. Further, Model 25s do not have the head stamped cartridge visible on the left side of this Mod.14s receiver.

Hey, thanks for correcting me. Live and learn.

 

[Varminterror]

Ya know, it's okay to not like them.

Folks get me wrong on this…

I like pump guns just fine, and frankly, absolutely love shooting pump 22’s out of nostalgia for gallery guns.

I just acknowledge the objective disadvantages of their design.

They can suck compared to other action types, and I can like them. I’m just not as willing as some others to lie to myself and others about objective disadvantages compared to other action types just to try to validate my subjective biases.

 

[Savage30L]

I think the way forward for pump action rifles is for use with suppressors . Fast shooting , but without the rearward gasses and chamber noise . A carbine in .45 colt or .44 special , shooting heavy , subsonic bullets from a fast twist , integral silenced barrel , maybe with some interior buffers to quiet action noise , might sell .Something like an improved Timberwolf ?

That is my opinion too. A .45 Colt pump with a strong action, to handle 30,000 PSI loads, nice long beefy stock, silencer......

 

[InTheSwamp]

I can hear Ian Malcolm preaching to the forum..."Pump Actions had their shot, and the Market selected them for extinction."

 

[9x56MS]

It was not the market that selected them for extinction but simple corporate policy not to manufacture something they cannot sell for their preset profit margin. Pump guns by their nature contain more parts and are more expensive to manufacture. It is that simple.

 

[InTheSwamp]

not to manufacture something they cannot sell

Yes, the Market does that.