Why Only Semi's for Carry??

[Kleanbore]

I really dont see it making much of adifference with any of them. A good hit will bring likely bring about a good result, a poor one, a poor result.

Exactly--that's what the science tells us. Two provisos: (1) that "good hit" will be largely a matter of chance, hence the desirability of more shots; and (2) penetration must be adequate, and the .44 Special is on the marginal side.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Shoot a pumpkin with a 9mm
Same with a 357

Don’t need to research that much fellas.

Now type some philosophy study of how the Metallurgy of the sub atomic compound is very similar to The energy displacement between the two and how evolution of Bullet design has spring forth some……

Blah Blah Blah

 

[Lnf Crzr]

44 spl is marginal- Haha

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Is the 45 acp marginal?

I believe the 9mm is marginal- and many would agree and have

 

[Lnf Crzr]

the .44 Special is on the marginal side.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

You may be right--or not. We have seen defensive shootings that required 12 hits.

I carry the same thing, indoors and out.

"Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed “shock” of bullet impact is a fable and “knock down” power is a myth." --from a presentation to the Wound Ballistics Workshop, Quantico, VA, 1987.

Then why, for heavens sake; are those the very things brought up in bear defense and hunting, the very object of which is to kill your target ?

 

[LeftyRed]

I will say that I read the first page and then skipped to this one. Must be pretty strange when I read KB’s comments and actually agree with him on some.

As a 52yo medical retired person I do not have to wait for any more advancement of age or degenerative conditions to look for the need of a softer recoiling handgun. The ones I have settled on are:
1) Glock 42. Top tier in reliability, accuracy, and soft shooting. Get a Magguts kit for 7+1.
2) Steel Snubbie with WCs. I love my Airweights (642/637/442) and UltraLights (351c/340). They are a joy to carry, but shooting them with anything other than my powder puff reloads hurt. My old 36 or SP101 or a K6s are much better, especially with 158gr JSPs or 148gr WCs.
3) Snubbie with ComPacs. Big grips, but man they help with recoil and still able to pocket carry in my work pants.
4) 32 caliber anything. Everyone poo-pooed the LCP Max when it came out since it wasn’t a 9mm and just a dinky 380. Now it can’t be kept in the stores! There is a market for less than Tier One High Speed Operations Weaponry. And a person that works in the R&D department of Hornady, that I served with during Desert Storm, told me that two (possibly three) gun makers have asked Hornady to look at some 32ACP ammo development! That makes me smile! Maybe we will see more 32ACP versions of some of our best 380 size pistols. Maybe even a whole new model! Until then, I’m going to bite the bullet and get a LCRX in 327 and reload 32H&R for it.

So those are what I find the the best for my aching hands and what would suggest.

Lefty

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Why did Elmer Kieth and Skeeter Skelton Advocate the 44spl and 357 magnum. ?

The great and wonderful 9mm was available in the Browning high power.

I guess those men didn’t know as much about what worked and ballistics as those here in today’s modern Day and age of What? A slight increase in Bullets performance?

Silly to imagine those here suggest they know more.

The 9mm today is popular only for a few reasonsRead between the lines if you can

 

[Kleanbore]

Shoot a pumpkin with a 9mm
Same with a 357

Don’t need to research that much fellas.

The studies at Quantico told us rather c pointedly that that observation is meaningless.

Now type some philosophy study of how the Metallurgy of the sub atomic compound is very similar to The energy displacement between the two and how evolution of Bullet design has spring forth some……

Blah Blah Blah

You have gone off the rails. Your continuing to argue with expert opinion on a subject on which you are not well informed is not helping your credibility here.

44 spl is marginal- Haha

My recollection is that there are no defensive .44 Special loads that meat the FBI minimum for penetration. Prove me wrong.

i had looked into it--the lower sound pressure of the .44 Special would make it desirable for defensive use indoors.

Is the 45 acp marginal?

No.

I believe the 9mm is marginal- and many would agree and have

You have obviously not kept up on the subject.

 

[trackskippy]

Is the 45 acp marginal?

I believe the 9mm is marginal- and many would agree and have

They are all basically marginal, and its up to you to make up for that with your skills.

You can buy all the marketing and nostalgia BS and buy the fancy high-dollar ammo you want, but none of that will make up for your lack of skills.

The internet is a wonderful source for a lot of good info, if youre willing to do the research and make use of it. Sites like THR are good too, and a good source for places to look up and learn from.

But, you also get a lot of anecdotal stuff that a lot of people seem to think is more reliable and correct, when thats often farthest from the truth.

It still all comes down to you though, in both research, and actual time, effort, and ammo proving things out, or not, and being honest with yourself when you do.

 

[Kleanbore]

Why did Elmer Kieth and Skeeter Skelton Advocate the 44spl and 357 magnum. ?

The great and wonderful 9mm was available in the Browning high power.

I guess those men didn’t know as much about what worked and ballistics as those here in today’s modern Day and age of What? A slight increase in Bullets performance?

/you nailed it, but it isn't "slight"..

Today's premium grade 9mm JHP ammunition with bonded bullets is far superior to what was available to Skeeter and Elmer

 

[bdickens]

Shoot a pumpkin with a 9mm
Same with a 357

Human beings are not pumpkins. Don't need to research that much, either.

Now type some philosophy study of how the Metallurgy of the sub atomic compound is very similar to The energy displacement between the two and how evolution of Bullet design has spring forth some……

More Argumentum ad Absurdum.

I believe the 9mm is marginal- and many would agree and have

Argumentum ad Populum

Many would be wrong.

Facts don't care what you believe.

Why did Elmer Kieth and Skeeter Skelton Advocate the 44spl and 357 magnum. ?

I guess those men didn’t know as much about what worked and ballistics as those here in today’s modern Day and age....

They are both long dead and the world has moved on since then.

A slight increase in Bullets performance?

Strawman.

The 9mm today is popular only for a few reasonsRead between the lines if you can

How about you enlighten us, O Great and Wise Sage?

 

[Lnf Crzr]

Way back when all handgun ammo was Lead simple boolets the 9mm Browning high power was available

Now All! Cartridges have Better quality bullets.

So since I’m not in Combat and I’m not a police officer I’ll carry my Sufficient Personal defense firearm. A 44spl or 357

Thanks for the Laughs guys

 

[Kleanbore]

Way back when all handgun ammo was Lead simple boolets the 9mm Browning high power was available

Centerfire ammo for semi-autos has been loaded with jacketed bullets since the days of the Luger, Mauser, Roth-Steyr, Bergmann-Bayard, FN, early Colt, and other pistols.

 

[Mr. Mosin]

Centerfire ammo for semi-autos has been loaded with jacketed bullets since the days of the Luger, Mauser, Roth-Steyr, Bergmann-Bayard, FN, early Colt, and other pistols.

His system would’ve probably better been phrased as “ball” or “FMJ”, or “LRN”.

 

[bdickens]

I gotta grin to myself when I get called a dullard by someone who is willfully ignorant of current science on the subject at hand and who constantly engages in the same embarrassingly amateur logical fallacies.

 

[Lnf Crzr]

I didn’t call you a dullard

 

[Kleanbore]

I didn’t call you a dullard

" those who are dull"....

 

[tubeshooter]

So... after 9 pages, has this thread has largely served it's "purpose"?
Or nah?

 

[Lnf Crzr]

So a statement saying those who are full is calling one individual a dullard?

Edit -Dull

 

[bdickens]

... And by one with such a poor command of the English language.

 

[Kleanbore]

Closing this temporarily pending a decision by the sub-forum moderators....

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