Why so much hostility towards "tactical"

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Not hostile towards it at all, just sick from teh smell of the flat black and OD spray bombs:D

About 99% of it is hogwash anyway. Spend your money on more ammo and get in some quality practice.

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Okay, this question of why is "tactical" (or "tacticool") hated... not all of us like black or plastic as was mentioned and "tactical" means we employ tactics. The mind is the weapon while the equipment is just a set of tools. Someone mentioned if you're not good enough with a plain vanilla 870... I figure those of us who know how can employ just as effective a set of tactics using a '94 Winchester .30-30 or M1 Garand as the guys with the M4's can, and sometimes better, depending on the mindset. .45 vs. 9mm... again, it's a choice of tools and it varies one individual to the next. Somebody's sig line mention a 1.5" guardrail nut on a string... something about it not being the latestgreatestsuperdooper tacticool, but if somebody gets hit in the head with it, they'll be repeating kindergarten.

Now that the thread's been properly hijacked, my plan in about 2 weeks is that I shall don my tactical (black) Resistol hat, tactical (Shadow Canyon) Wranglers, and hunter safety orange (which fairly negates camo), take my old .30-30 out, consider my tactical options and set up an ambush for the monster Whitetail buck who's probably grown up studying my tactics for most of the last eight years. Or maybe I won't change my blue ProRodeo jeans for black because tactically, it won't make any difference because the deer are colorblind and I'm not worried one way or the other what the anti's think in this regard. (And for several places I used "tactical" in this paragraph, it really should be "strategic".)
 
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Tactical sells well because it sounds elite. I do purchase some tactical equipment but its all got a purpose that I use it for. But I do not purchase based on the fact it says its tactical, a flashlight mounted on your weapon is just that "a flashlight mounted on your weapon" just because swat and other special units use it does not make it better or tactical.
 
DRMMR02 said: A LEO posted in the "fad" thread that he liked having a mounted light on his pistol because it allowed him to open doors or use his radio while keeping a suspect illuminated and secured. Why can this not also apply to non-LEOs? Is there something wrong with wanting a free hand when dealing with a bad guy? What if one wants to be on the phone to 911 but doesnt want to put down the light or his weapon? Is there some rule that says "A simple pistol and flashlight are all a civilian can use to protect his family"? . . . . . With the right training and know-how, there is no reason for an average Joe not to have them if he wants.
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I agree they ought not be restricted.

I have a personal issue with pistol mounted lights. Its simply because I don't know if the user has thought through, and made the informed decision, that the tendancy to use a gun with a light as a flashlight is a hard urge to resist.


No rule, no "you can't". I'd just like to see the situation acknowledged, and appropriate actions taken to deal with it.
 
Lifeson just plain pussed-out after 1983's Signals, and became an accompanist. Sad, because I know the old bird could probably belt 'em out if given the chance.
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Ah, you should have started listening again in the 90s. And always live. Actually, the late 80s, they BUILT chords across four instruments. It's hard to play any of that stuff without a full ensemble.

And don't try to out-tactical me on guitar until you have a custom made 10 string:


And fatigues more comfortable than BDUs? Well...it's an opinion. Let's not start on stupid uniform decisions or we'll eat up 20 pages.

And you do realize I could turn out Surefire bodies and heads on my lathe for about $3 each? Getting the reflectors cast would cost a little more, but not much. End cost on those is likely $10/unit when they're done, $20 for the integral mounts they sell for $300.

And their "customer service" is the same kind of service a bull gives a cow.:eek:
 
Bad news, dude: the odds of you saving the world and impressing chicks by foiling a terrorist plot with your NVG and pants-with-lots-of-pockets are pretty slim. And you look like a dork when you go to the Piggly-Wiggly.
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LMAO....pretty much sums it up. Think I'm gonna steal this for my sig line.
 
already have a good supply of black "Tactical" toothpicks, "Tactical" toothbrush, "Tactical" potatoes (they don't smell too good, but they are black), and "Tactical" soap.

Now I'm going to my "Tactical" bed. Black, for sure.
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Black? Shah, that's so pre-OIF. It's all about "Coyote Tan" now. It's the new "black".;) I own lots of coyote tan gear...but i'm in my second "sanbox" so I guess it's OK for now.:uhoh: Have to sell it all and get a 30-30 and a blaze orange shootin' vest before everyone thinks I'm a poser when I get back!:D

I dig cargo pants, which are popular and unless you are a "gunny" 5.11s are just khaki cargos to everyone else. IMO 5.11s, shoes other than combat boots and a polo = OK. 5.11s, combat boots and obnoxious gun T-shirt= too "tacticool" for school.
 
Yeah, I think the companies thought simply "coyote" was too obscure, the more proper "coyote brown" not descriptive enough for the layman (who might not think it's good for desert environs). Last year I noticed most companies calling it "coyote tan". Anyhoo, I actually like the color and as a backpack as it blends in with civilian oriented stuff better, isn't tacky like a camo pattern and doesn't standout as much except to people in the Tacticool club.
 
Opinion:

Wearing digital garbage unless the military has ordered you to is tacticool.

Especially since few people wearing it have any idea WHY digital patterns were created, and the inherent flaws in them.
 
Tactical shoud refer to extensive training and expertise. Instead, it refers mostly to made-in-China copies of things that special forces of trained soldiers might use, or that looks like that they might use.

It's like expecting that buying a super deluxe $1000 paintbrush will make you able to paint a masterpiece, without any art schooling, training, or practice.

And thus, it's become a parody. It conjures up images of terribly out-of-shape people in mismatched camo with tactical gear on a tactical single-shot shotgun with a tactical light and a tactical belt and tactical shirt emblazoned with the logo of some military unit they never served in.

It seems to mostly refer to people who want to play solider or cop, and really should not.
 
tactical gear on a tactical single-shot shotgun with a tactical light
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Yes, that has to be one of the gayest things out there, with "gay" meaning "ludicrously stupid."

A "Tactical" single shot that costs more than a basic pump.

But it has to be painted digital urban to be REALLY tactical:neener:
 
I own zero "tactical" gear at the moment. I do want a light for my HD shotgun, and Maybe a sidesaddle. Thats about as tactical as I think I need.

Other than that, I am pretty non tactical..... I agree with the previous comment on many of the "over tac" guys are possible compensating :D I think, if you need it, and you actually use it, it's not poserific, lol. If you don't need it, never use it, but buy it anyway... Well.......... You know... :neener:

It's like some pics I have seen where there are folks posing with thier weapons in a house/apt. Tactical posing for the camera, lol. Now, action pics on the range, sure! I like to see those shots, but I KNOW you have seen some of these other pics. Hilarious!


Example:
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Maybe a sidesaddle.
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I actually regard that as one of the most ludicrous armchair tacticool stunts out there.

Lessee..ruin the resale value of a weapon by drilling holes in the receiver, to attach a device that can interfere with the cycling (happens all the time--those pins/bolts through the receiver bind on the mechanicals), which probably won't drop rounds all over the place from recoil (seen that happen a lot, too)...

I have a stock caddy, elastic, $6. Holds 5. No damage to weapon, no interfering with cycle, enclosure means no dropped rounds, adds weight to the butt where it's needed, doesn't cost a lot of money.

And besides, what's the likelihood that that 8 rounds of buck/slug already in the weapon won't be enough? If I belt something with four slugs at 3500 ft lbs and 36 .38 balls and it doesn't go down, I can't see having time to reload. It's butt stroking time.

Who's attacking my house here? A Marine Expeditionary Force?:eek:
 
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Lessee..ruin the resale value of a weapon by drilling holes in the receiver, to attach a device that can interfere with the cycling (happens all the time--those pins/bolts through the receiver bind on the mechanicals)
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All the sidesaddle shell holders I've seen simply replaced the action pins with longer ones, no permanent modifications to the gun. I don't use them myself, since my 870Mk1 house gun has an 8-round magazine, but they look a lot like this:

http://www.gunaccessories.com/TacticalShotgun/Sidesaddle/SidesaddleShotshellCarrier.asp
 
I just think all of the gear is funny. It is just like the guy who puts 2000 dollar rims and a big loudner pipe on his 500 dollar honda. I get a giggle out of it. If it makes people happy spending their money on it then so be it.
 
Let's be realistic here. There are good reasons for some of the gear that goes on many of our firearms and then there is useless stuff. How many people are going to train as hard or have the money to train to the standard of advanced gunnery that all that equipment was designed for? Lets face it. What the soldiers over in Iraq and Afghanistan use has special purpose equipment for specail needs. We will not be using squad or platoon tactics in fighting the criminals. Nor are we trained to the degree of special forces or to the degree of highly trained troops who have to fight as a team or using initiative to complete the mission. Some of what the troops use can be used on civilian firearms. Others are a complete waste of time and money. Simple basic equipment and tactics are what is needed when ones and others lives are on the line. Are you trained to a high degree when your body does the fight or flight adrenalin dump? We are only as good as our training and will fight like we trained ,if at all. Complex equipment and tactics will not help if one is not schooled in using them. Technology is no substitute for little or no training. How many of us really have the skill to use the equipment and tactics. I read, have military training and have had a street education on weapons and tactics due to wear I used to live and had to get much experience the hard way. I do not feel qualified for every contigency one might have to face and will always be learning. My budget and time constraints. like many others,does not allow for advanced class training. Tacticool I will not do. If a tactic or piece of equipment gives me a real world edge and I can train and not clutter up my gun of choice,then I will use it. That is my humble opinion. Take a true and honest look and ask yourself if you really need it or are trained to take advantage of the gadgets out here. Good luck and stay safe. Honest appraisels can be hard to do.
 
How does wearing 5.11 pants and a tac-vest differ from guys who do Civil War reenacting?
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Because the first guy looks like a nerd from 2006???

I know a guy that does the Civil War thing. We try to laugh at him in an authentic 1860's manner.

I used to have a 'scope on one of my rifles. I took it off.
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I'm lost on this one. I've got scopes on lotsa my rifles. There for a reason. How are you gonna hit a prarie dog at 500 yards without one???
 
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