Why so much hostility towards "tactical"

[DRMMR02]

Someone needs to package Tactical Hot Sauce (not the MRE bottles, though that's not a bad idea), but mount it with a rail clip.

Only if it comes in a flat black bottle and costs $200

 

[lionking]

misterpx,madmike...agreed and understand.

having just remembered something,I have a friend who has a Bushmaster Dissapator carbine.In the prone position I get as good or better groupings with it then my Hbar.This is,with stock sights and the Dissapator has a different sight radius than a M4 which helps.Past a 100yds,my Hbar does better.

 

[44AMP]

Geezer

I'm one of the old geezers that finds the whole idea laughable. Overhyped, "extreme" or what ever you want to call it. Maybe it is something to do with my age. I don't really care for the whole LEO Ninja approach. I grew up in a time when honest men didn't hide their faces (except for the Lone Ranger). In an earlier time, guys with coal scuttle helmets, black uniforms, and submachine guns were the enemy. Of course, in those days, the black uniforms had lightning bolts on them.

As far as re-enactors being in their "uniforms", that to me is different. Whether mountain man, civil war, or even WWII, they are re-enacting historical scenarios. Re-creating the past. Not "wannabe"-ing the present.

Also, the fact that virtually everthing is being called "tactical". This is a clear misuse of language. Sadly, we do this so much these days.

Buy, and hang whatever goofy things you want off your rifle and shotgun. I would not recommend a light on a civilian's handgun though. Only because, where you point the light, you point the gun. This is not proper for a civilian. Even at home. Especially at home. While I am not convinced it is a good thing for a LEO, I am certain it is not a good thing for civilians. Gun and a flashlight, yes. Gun is a flashlight, no.

I know there are some of you out there who are not LEOs, but train and train, so you wouldn't have a problem. But what about all the others, who don't train like that, just buy a pistol with a built on flashlight. Noise at night, grab gun/light, investigate, pointing gun everywhere with the light. Not good. Lasers are gun sights you can see in the dark. Flashlights should not be gunsights, the potental for trouble is too great.

As for clothes, wear what you like, I don't care. Unless you are impersonating an officer. Then you reap what you sow.

 

[DRMMR02]

I'm one of the old geezers that finds the whole idea laughable. Overhyped, "extreme" or what ever you want to call it. Maybe it is something to do with my age. I don't really care for the whole LEO Ninja approach. I grew up in a time when honest men didn't hide their faces (except for the Lone Ranger). In an earlier time, guys with coal scuttle helmets, black uniforms, and submachine guns were the enemy. Of course, in those days, the black uniforms had lightning bolts on them.

But how often in that earlier time did police have to deal with people like this?


That's the famous "North Hollywood Shootout" in 1997 where Larry Eugene Phillips and Emil Matasareanu fired over 1100 in the span of 44 minutes wounding 14 people, 12 police officers and 2 civilians.

 

[madmike]

I don't see anything there a Winchester Model 70 in .458 Winchester can't handle...

or .375, for that matter.

Or a HEAD SHOT with a pistol instead of all those center mass shots they were making.

 

[230RN]

Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you, all.

Now I don't feel so bad about just sticking my old .45 in my belt at 9 o'clock without a holster.

Whew!

 

[bad LT]

I am better than tactical...

I am stratigic

 

[strambo]

Will all the members here who are or were deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan or the Phillipines and was issued a rifle give a rundown about all the attached gear that we see on M16s and M4s.Has the gear,scopes,dots,lights,lasers and such been battleworthy,reliable and effective?What has worked good,what has failed?

The Army usually issues a weaponlight, foregrip, M68 CCO (aimpoint) and PAQ2 or PAQ4 IR laser. The aimpoint/foregrip work well-self explanitory.

The IR laser is for either hitting or marking targets at night. With night vision you can shoot with the aimpoint CCO so the laser isn't necessary. They are a bit fragile, so they can break when soldiers leave them mounted for the whole tour and they get banged around. The surefire weaponlight itself is sturdy and good, but the IR cap ($70 item) often gets cracked eventually when it is left mounted all the time.

My M4 only has an ACOG on it. I actually get funny looks and was almost ordered to put all that crap on. There is an Army mindset carried over from when there wasn't enough gear that you have to have everything all the time.

My job isn't room clearing, or fighting at all but advising the Afghan Army and leading them in combat if need be. I like my carbine to balance well. If I have to clear a room, I can a) use my hand-held surefire, or b) take 5 seconds to mount my weaponlight. It would also take 5 seconds to mount my PAQ4 laser...I get advanced notice before it gets dark every day! I carry the extra crap (er-tacticool gear) in my assault pack, so I have it with me.

I couldn't tell you why the bipod...and a foregrip? Sheesh, decide if your a "sniper-ninja" or a "CQB Death Warrior" and pick one. "Designated marksman"...well my M4 only does about 2 MOA with 4X ACOG and non-match ammo at 100yds and I'm a darn good shot. I'd bet the guys with the bipods and Aimpoints/Eotechs aren't gonna be shooting well enough that resting on the magazine (or pack, etc...) wouldn't have worked just as well. Now, in the chow hall, a bipod is quite handy for your weapon to sit on the floor.

 

[madmike]

I get advanced notice before it gets dark every day!

Man. My officers are too screwed up to get that right.

Now, in the chow hall, a bipod is quite handy for your weapon to sit on the floor.

And THAT is a practical use.

I want to know what kind of ate up wannabe has a "forward assist" on his M16 Some people will buy ANY gadget.

 

[Manedwolf]

Pencil sharpener, vacuum cleaner, pajamas?

Tactical vacuum! They'll never see it coming. Plus it's made by the same people who make the PackBots they're using in Iraq!

Quote:
Someone needs to package Tactical Hot Sauce (not the MRE bottles, though that's not a bad idea), but mount it with a rail clip.

Only if it comes in a flat black bottle and costs $200

Careful what you wish for. It exists.

Blair's 16 million scoville unit reserve. $199 a bottle.

 

[Eightball]

Why hostile towards "tactical"?

Ever hear of the "mall ninja"?

Unless you are in the military or on a SWAT team, the idea of needing a breaching shotgun hung underneath your "3x the power of the SUN" flashlights (yes, plural), with your tactical laser AND holosight AND ACOG AND scope, next to the vertical foregrip and "tactical quick release harness", so you can drop your gun faster---it just seems humerous.

But, if you want to deck out your weapons until they weigh 2x as much as anyone with any sense would use them, go for it. That's what makes America great.

I'll stick with my hog-leg.

 

[madmike]

The light actually makes a certain amount of sense...IF you intend a momentary flash for target ID and then shoot.

Walking around with a light on so the bad guy knows where you are, and can use the weapon as a target to hit you center mass does not.

 

[strambo]

Ummm, please disregard my earlier post where I stated I had tacticool "coyote tan" gear. Silly me, I usually think about important stuff like how many .50 AP rounds the latest "dragon skin" armor can stop and forget about colors.

Anyway, "coyote" tan, brown whatever is sooooo '04. What I really have is "flat dark earth" color. Yeah, that's the new coyote brown...and black? Puhhlease, maybe if your a 15yo airsofter, as if. The only question is, should my next gun (in "flat dark earth" color) be a Springfield XD or a Sig P220 combat TB? Tactical minds want to know!

http://www.sigarms.com/Products/ShowCatalogProductDetails.aspx?categoryid=6&productid=156

The Sig, of course!

 

[madmike]

My daughter still insists pink is the new black, and Lady Penelope agrees with her.

I vote for flat gray. Got a cat around here I don't see more than 2 minutes a day when he delurks from cloak.

 

[30Cal]

It's just funny to watch a guy with a $2000 shorty AR miss at 50yds off a sandbagged rest.

Ty

 

[madmike]

I find a $2000 shorty AR to be funny...I build mine for about $600. Even with an Eotech, you're under a grand.

I still don't grasp railed handguards on civilian weapons, forward pistol grips, short barrels that have to have welded extensions to legally make them not short...

 

[strambo]

short barrels that have to have welded extensions to legally make them not short...

Yeah, if it has to be 16", I want it all to be useable. An interchangeable flash hider is nice too, instead of a welded on one to meet the length. Like a tacticool Krinkov type...not every $2000 AR has one of those! The best use for a railed handguard is to mount a weapon light...harder to hand-hold a light and work a long gun.

My cat is a very fuzzy (breaks up outline like ghilly suit) brown "flat dark carpet" color with slightly darker highlights. All I ever see is her eyes at night against brown carpet and furniture background. I don't know if my cat ever "de-lurks". Cats are natures most tactical animal by far. Especially when they hide under something and don't know their kitty-butt is sticking out the back.

 

[madmike]

I welded a brake on my daughter's to keep the weight and size at a minimum. There are a few reasons to do that. But welding 5" of brake on an 11" barrel.

Hmm....calling it a "muzzle break" instead of a "muzzle brake" is tacticool. (Why are you breaking your muzzle?)

And I still see no need for 4 rails around the handguard of a carbine for a civilian. As for 6 or 8...

And of course, any AR 5.56 pistol is tacticool...

 

[ezypikns]

Funniest Post so Far???

I am better than tactical...

I am strategic

 

[mustanger98]

Are those tactical cats registered? Nobody needs an assault cat hiding in the middle of the floor where the children can trip and fall and be injured.

I've seen a few M1 Garands get a little bit tacticool too... some guys like to build .308 T26 types (so-called "tanker"). Some of those have a rear handguard that's actually a rail for a "scout" scope. It's cool, but not my first choice for a Garand.

 

[madmike]

It's cool, but not my first choice for a Garand.

You can't expect the tacticool crowd to appreciate the Garand, and it's not my first choice for anything. Though it is on the list for my collection.

 

[Correia]

I can shoot a "tactical wizzbang" shorty AR with all of the bells and whistles and outshoot 99% of the posters on THR.

So I don't give a crap what anybody thinks about my guns. Thank you very much.

 

[ProguninTN]

Tactical

Tactical Equipment: Some may want to play "tough guy". Others may want to make use of the purpose for which the item was designed. Everybody, float your own boat.

 

[The Deer Hunter]

I would use a non-tactical gun against a tactical gun anyday just to show how much tacticool but my blued and wooden guns kick

 

[Eightball]

I can shoot a "tactical wizzbang" shorty AR with all of the bells and whistles and outshoot 99% of the posters on THR.

If you can, you have the right to do so.

I just have an issue with the people who think that the look of their AR will do anything to help their performance, or that the number of things hanging off of it affects their accuracy in a positive way.

If I had an AR, i'd have a scope & bipod, 20" Stainless, maybe a more comfy grip. And a Beta C to mess with people .

As it sits, my stock Garand can outshoot most of the "whizzbanging tacti-cool" AR users in any position. ANd, it doesn't need anything hanging off of it to make it look better (well, maybe the bayonet, but only to annoy leftists ).