stchman
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Search your vehicle? What if the employee said, "No, you're NOT searching my vehicle."?
Search your vehicle? What if the employee said, "No, you're NOT searching my vehicle."?
This was prompted by the owners finally becoming aware that the former general manager kept a .50 Desert Eagle in his desk drawer for, like, 3 years.....
Pretty simple. You don't have to let them search your vehicle--if you refuse, they have no recourse in terms of legally forcing you to comply. But they don't have to keep you as an employee.Search your vehicle? What if the employee said, "No, you're NOT searching my vehicle."?
...and how do you know it's unstated? Odds are, if a company has a policy and has informed folks their cars may be searched for specific prohibited items.......don't you think they would specify which items those are? Or do you think they are going to search vehicles just for ships and giggles? Again, ignorance is not going to get you a free pass. Do you think getting a warning is not going to put you on company radar? Unfortunately, folks don't always read employee handbooks, nor do they read the new ones when they are updated. Where I work we get updates on the company handbooks about every two moths via e-mail. We have to reply that we have read and understand the changes. Most folks just automatically press the reply key and move on without even reading. Ignorance is never an excuse. Having company policy verified is not a bad thing, if and when the policy is vague. Odds are, the policy in this scenario is not as vague as we are led to believe.
While ignorance of the law is no excuse, which is the premise of your argument, policy which is not readily available, clearly defined, or required reading is not necessarily enforceable.
As I said, the company probably has clearly defined policy. Still, the OP has not been able to tell us what that policy is.
So I DO know Colorado law on this. Colorado law sides with the property owner. They have the right to prohibit you from possessing a gun on company property and they can terminate you for violating the company policy.Nor has he or any one else been able to tell us what his state law about guns in parking lot is, altho it took me only a few seconds to find out.
So I DO know Colorado law on this. Colorado law sides with the property owner. They have the right to prohibit you from possessing a gun on company property and they can terminate you for violating the company policy.
Easy to say now that a link has been posted. Funny you could not inform anyone else of this law until now. I am not trying to act like anything, only not trashing someone who is trying to get information. There are fine lines in many situations as to where one gets affirmation to verify. I have asked different game wardens to give me their definition of a law, and gotten as many different definitions....even tho the law is written in black and white. But having them define how they read the law means if they are the one who approaches me, I can say they told me how the law read. I don't automatically assume they are now going to stalk me for poaching. So is probably true for the guy asking his super. Even being a third party contractor, wouldn't you have to abide by the rules of what is or is not allowed on the property, set by the property owner? Isn't your vehicle also susceptible to being searched for prohibited items?
Sorry, I've never been afraid to ask a question of company/corporate policy from my employer or supervisor. Asking about company policy has never opened my personal life up to them, nor has it ever put me on their "radar". The response I have generally gotten is happy to inform. Those times when policies were maybe blurred or unclear, the question not only helped me, but others I worked with. And yes, sometimes those questions involved company policy about firearms, when I'm on company time, on company property. Maybe I've just been lucky, eh?
So then, why would you not want to know if something in your car could cost you your job?
Again, ignorance is never an excuse.
So I got to work tonight and as I was clocking in I heard two client employees having a discussion.
The facility where I work at has gunbuster signs on the building but not on the entrance gate to the grounds. The only thing on the main gate is a sign that says it any vehicle entering the facility is subject to search.
So apparently, one of the employees saw the signs on the building (that have been there forever) and decided to go inform the general manager he has a concealed handgun permit and wants to know if he can keep a gun in his car or is that not allowed by company policy.
This guy has worked for this company for almost 20 years. (You would think he would clearly understand whatever policy they have by now.) And the only thing that he's really succeeded in doing is putting himself squarely on the company's radar.
The general manager had no idea what the specific company policy is and promised to ask corporate for a ruling. I promise you corporate is going to give him an answer and I suspect this guy is not going to like the answer that they give.
I am positive that he's going to be told that he may not have a weapon in his vehicle on company property and that he is subject to immediate termination should he be caught. Did I mention that there's a sign on the front gate that states that any vehicle that comes on property is subject to search?
This scenario comes up frequently on gun forums and this situation that's going on is the primary reason that I always advocate keeping your mouth shut.
Nobody that I work with even knows I own a gun. They certainly have no reason to suspect that there might be one in my car. Should my vehicle ever be searched and should they ever find a gun in my vehicle I can claim ignorance because the general manager didn't even know for sure what the policy was.
So I said all that to again say that you're better off not discussing your personal life at work. You're better off not asking questions that don't need to be asked especially questions that you won't like the answer to.