Would you buy current M700?
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ColtPythonElite
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Probably
someguy2800
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No I'd rather have an old one.
R.W.Dale
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Nope!
I generally regarded Remington as making poorly crafted arms that were out of date design wise 60 years ago.
Then I fell in love with a 223 VTR
Well it was a short lived love affair. Never have I had a rifle that could foul the bore so quickly and shoot so poorly for a “varmint rifle”
Spent money on a replacement stock only to have it shoot worse.
I put Remington somewhere between keltec and highpoint. But the thing is I would potentially buy something the former two offer. Remington makes nothing a half dozen other makers don’t do better
I generally regarded Remington as making poorly crafted arms that were out of date design wise 60 years ago.
Then I fell in love with a 223 VTR
Well it was a short lived love affair. Never have I had a rifle that could foul the bore so quickly and shoot so poorly for a “varmint rifle”
Spent money on a replacement stock only to have it shoot worse.
I put Remington somewhere between keltec and highpoint. But the thing is I would potentially buy something the former two offer. Remington makes nothing a half dozen other makers don’t do better
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No, probably not. The trigger problems have been ridiculous. The one I did buy (a 5R in .300WM) has been really problematic from an accuracy perspective and I haven't been able to figure out why. The Winchesters I've bought have all been perfect out of the box. I just can't seen any reason to go there again. If Winchester doesn't have it, I'd try MRC.
Nope, Winchester serves me just fine.
Legionnaire
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I’d buy one for a project, but if I wanted an out of the box workhorse, I’d buy a Bergara.
Elkins45
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If I NEEDED a new rifle to work, for hunting or competition I would buy something else. Remington has been having way too many QC problems lately to risk my money when I know I can buy a cheaper Savage and get a decent working gun.
Having said that, Remington still deserves kudos for making a LH version of this rifle. I might pick up one of those lefty synthetic guns I have seen from time to time as a range toy, but I wouldn't buy one as my only rifle. Fortunately I have plenty of rifles to choose from already.
Having said that, Remington still deserves kudos for making a LH version of this rifle. I might pick up one of those lefty synthetic guns I have seen from time to time as a range toy, but I wouldn't buy one as my only rifle. Fortunately I have plenty of rifles to choose from already.
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All my Remingtons are pump actions from the sixties, they are nice and what I collect.
Before I realized precision didn't nessasarily mean long range, I looked at a three hundred Winchester Magnum in a Seven hundred long range.
What turned me off most was the welder slag in the action. Not being able to open a bolt all the way on a brand new rifle, that cost over a thousand dollars, is a huge problem.
To think about how many hands it went through at the factory, all of them not noticing that the bolt wouldn't open all the way, or finding that acceptable.(Speak volumes of the "gun guys" at Cabelas too. Why would they put that on the rack?)
The one thing they were decent at and they would throw that away too. It is a shame a Turkish(?) Company from half way around the planet is suggested over an American company, whose name USED to be synonymous with "precision rifle".
But that is the bed they made, It is their nightmare to have.
Before I realized precision didn't nessasarily mean long range, I looked at a three hundred Winchester Magnum in a Seven hundred long range.
What turned me off most was the welder slag in the action. Not being able to open a bolt all the way on a brand new rifle, that cost over a thousand dollars, is a huge problem.
To think about how many hands it went through at the factory, all of them not noticing that the bolt wouldn't open all the way, or finding that acceptable.(Speak volumes of the "gun guys" at Cabelas too. Why would they put that on the rack?)
The one thing they were decent at and they would throw that away too. It is a shame a Turkish(?) Company from half way around the planet is suggested over an American company, whose name USED to be synonymous with "precision rifle".
But that is the bed they made, It is their nightmare to have.
I hunted mostly with Remington 700's most of my life simply because I was told when I got started they were the best. The more I learned about firearms the less I liked the design. There really are some design features that are weak links compared to other designs that lead to failures and breakdowns. As long as great care is used in manufacture and assembly these don't usually show up. When everything is done right they developed a reputation to be more accurate than many other rifles. But many designs, old and new, are much more reliable. And modern manufacturing techniques have lead to more accurate, more reliable rifles designs that can be built for less money.
Remington no longer makes a bolt gun that interests me, and for less money than I can buy an older one I can buy a new one from other manufacturers that is better. I don't plan to sell my original 700 made in 1974, but it has had the trigger replaced. I'd not touch one made prior to 2014 with the factory trigger. And this goes back all the way to the 1940's. They used the same trigger from 1946-2007. And even the 2007-2014 rifles had issues with the new trigger.
Remington no longer makes a bolt gun that interests me, and for less money than I can buy an older one I can buy a new one from other manufacturers that is better. I don't plan to sell my original 700 made in 1974, but it has had the trigger replaced. I'd not touch one made prior to 2014 with the factory trigger. And this goes back all the way to the 1940's. They used the same trigger from 1946-2007. And even the 2007-2014 rifles had issues with the new trigger.
Mr. Hill
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Yes. Remington builds a good rifle, and they are made in the USA by American workers for American hunters and shooters.
No
And the reason may well be bogus. But its MY reason.
I have owned several Remington 700s. I own one now. The ones I had shot OK, but nothing spectacular. They were old school rifles: no real bedding, barrel not floated. I don't know if the barrel was good or not but I am betting the barrels were OK. Point is that they shot OK, but nothing great. Of course you could work on them and make them better. At the time, I hunted a lot more than I do now and my Remingtons shot good enough for hunting.
I haven't kept up with current prices on Remington 700s but back when I cared about them; they were a medium to high priced factory rifle. Today, you can buy at least a half dozen other brands of rifles that shoot GREAT right out of the box for $300. Savage, Ruger, Tikka, T/C.............................
I very well may be wrong. Maybe the Remingtons of today will shoot with those other rifles and maybe the price of Remingtons has come way down. I may be comparing apples to oranges ?
And the reason may well be bogus. But its MY reason.
I have owned several Remington 700s. I own one now. The ones I had shot OK, but nothing spectacular. They were old school rifles: no real bedding, barrel not floated. I don't know if the barrel was good or not but I am betting the barrels were OK. Point is that they shot OK, but nothing great. Of course you could work on them and make them better. At the time, I hunted a lot more than I do now and my Remingtons shot good enough for hunting.
I haven't kept up with current prices on Remington 700s but back when I cared about them; they were a medium to high priced factory rifle. Today, you can buy at least a half dozen other brands of rifles that shoot GREAT right out of the box for $300. Savage, Ruger, Tikka, T/C.............................
I very well may be wrong. Maybe the Remingtons of today will shoot with those other rifles and maybe the price of Remingtons has come way down. I may be comparing apples to oranges ?
Hummer70
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I have to go along with 444. Last one (700) I got was a 4 digit serial number 308 which I never saw before and the difference in the quality and feel is absolutely amazing. I don't think it has seen over two boxes of ammo. A real beauty. I would however take a Rem 7600 in 30.06 or 308.
I would buy yet another one of their rifles, but would do it with the knowledge that it's going to need some work to get it to the level of performance that I expect from a rifle. I have about a dozen 700's and they all have been worked on to some degree. I would rather find an old one for the action and build my own. The 700 could be compared to the small block Chevy. It's not bad stock, but it really shines when it's been tuned. As for the quality problems they have, I haven't seen any of their rifles that had any problems. They are plenty expensive, and it's not good that guns that should be their flagship need to be taken apart and worked on before the first trip to the range, but the design of the rifle is still worth the price of admission in my opinion.
dieselchief
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yes if wanted a action to build a rifle. yes to a cdl to shoot as is. I do not like savage current models even though I have a few older ones. I do not buy into the tikka line, so that leaves Remington, Winchester and howa/weatherby. all three have traditional machined magazine lips not plastic fantastic/sheet metal.
.....I can bed the action myself, also can change a trigger too. so traditional constructed rifles I like.
.....I did waffle with a ruger predator in 6 creedmoor. dc
.....I can bed the action myself, also can change a trigger too. so traditional constructed rifles I like.
.....I did waffle with a ruger predator in 6 creedmoor. dc
js8588
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Nope. I'll never trust a company that put out rifles with death trap triggers for decades.
WestKentucky
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No. My 1998 .270 win was my baby. Crisp, clean, and very accurate. Loved that rifle until I suddenly didn’t. I reload and had a case too long and jammed the rifle bad enough to disassemble it and drive the stuck round out of the chamber. That was the first time the rifle was taken apart, and the last time I cared about it. I truly don’t understand how I was getting the performance I was with all of the poorly fit parts, but I was until then. I have done everything I know to do without spending big money to get that rifle back in shooting shape but it just won’t group anymore. Once I cleaned up burrs and trash the gun just doesn’t perform. I feel like I got a rifle with something akin to sawdust in the gear oil.
NIGHTLORD40K
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Ive thought about having my 1979 BDL Walker Trigger replaced with the Xmark....Ive shot both and I would give the Xmark a very slight edge for creep and clean break. But Im not a fan of castings, like the innards on the Xmark, so, understanding its limitations (and following the basic rules of firearms safety), I'll stick with the factory switch.
As for would I buy a "new" one..........not at new prices. But I would buy a recent production used gun if the price was right.
As for would I buy a "new" one..........not at new prices. But I would buy a recent production used gun if the price was right.
I'd have to chew on my lip for a while before I dropped $1200 MSRP for a 700 CDL. If money was no problem you can get a very fine rifle from Remington's Custom Shop for around 3,$$$. Looking at the pictures of the custom shop and looking at the two 700 BDL's I have. One a 1969 and the other is 1990 both made under DuPont's ownership. I'd say they seem to be close in finish and fit. The custom shop would naturally have a tuned action and internals. Side by side there are no flies on the early 700's. So answering the first part of your question. Would I buy a new 700? It would depend on which one? And how much am I going to have to pay for it.
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