Would you carry Sig 320 with 4 1/2 lb trigger?

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I've got a lovely, 9mm Sig 320 with a Wilson Combat grip, Sig nite sights, and flat trigger. I'd like to carry it but the trigger goes Bang! at 4 1/2 pounds and there's no manual safety. Seems a tad too light for me (I had Sig do trigger work when I sent it back for their "fix-up) and so it just goes to the range not on my hip.
And my .40 subcompact Sig 320, which I'd like to carry, touches off at 5 lbs. And I'm reluctant to carry that as well.
So my question: Would you carry either (I have good holsters that well cover the triggers) or defer to something like my DA/SA Walther/SW 99 compact .40; S&W 4513 or CS45; or Smith 9mm 3914 or CS9. (And yeah, I'm a big fan of Smiths and clearly like DA/SA hammer-fired guns. And I do have a fairly broad choice for carry.).
(Note: I shoot both Sigs at the range and really like that striker-fired platform, but am wondering if they should stay or go as I really have pistols aplenty.)
 
Out of curiosity, what type of gauge are you using to measure the trigger pull? Not all are created equal. Also, where you place the hook on the trigger creates different results.

Ideally, the pull weight should be around 5 and a half pounds. 4 pounds sounds a bit light, but in the M18/M18 version with the manual safety, would not be bad.

someguy2800 said:
Google sig 320 unintentional discharge.
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Wow, great answer -- telling another member to Google something.
 
It's true that the original P320s were NOT drop safe. But I have not seen any evidence that the redesigned P320s suffer from unintentional discharge, only claims that it does, which makes me suspicious of the claims. If the P320 does have remaining safety problems it should not be that difficult to recreate the condition to make it fire unintentionally.

If anyone has actually seen any testing that proves that the current version of the P320 is unsafe, please post the weblink.
 
someguy2800 said:
Would you rather I do it for them and post 25 different links? Didn't realize you were in charge of the internet today.
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Well, it does appear, since you brought it up, that you haven't kept up with the narrative on the drop-safe issue, its consequences, and the frivolity that is the one current lawsuit.

By the way, I have appointed myself in charge of the internet today.

That is all.
 
I wouldn't carry a P320 without a manual trigger safety.

Also, can you safely manually chamber a P320? I've looked at the extractor configuration and it doesn't look like you can manually chamber it safely. But I've never tried it.
 
Old Dog said:
Well, it does appear, since you brought it up, that you haven't kept up with the narrative on the drop-safe issue, its consequences, and the frivolity that is the one current lawsuit.

By the way, I have appointed myself in charge of the internet today.

That is all.
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I'm not talking about the drop safety problem smart guy. Maybe you should do some googling after all.
 
I'm not terribly worried about the Sig "issues". But if I were thinking about a conventional Sig 320 I'd just buy a Glock. I do have 5 Sigs, however. Three are 320's but are the M18 X 2 and a M17. All 3 of those have 4-4.5 lb triggers, but they also have a 1911 style manual safety. Both of the P365's also have the safety. (One for me, one for the wife)

That's only about 1 lb lighter than my Glocks, but there is a much shorter take up. That combined with a little lighter trigger makes me feel better with a safety.

I also have Smith M&P's. And all of them have the manual safety. Two of them are 1st gen 45's, (a compact and full size) that have an Apex trigger installed. Trigger weight is closer to 3.5 lbs and IMO that requires a safety. I also have one in 10mm with the factory 5 lb trigger.

I still have some Glock's and have no issue with them not having a manual safety as long as they are carried in a proper holster. But there are times when I carry, or store, my guns without a conventional holster. Carried in a belt pack, chest pack, stored in a glovebox or nightstand I like to have a safety, or leave the chamber empty. When camping I wouldn't sleep with a Glock in my sleeping bag with a loaded chamber. I will with either of the Sig's or Smith's.

I still like and have a ton of respect for Glock pistols. But for what I do with a pistol I've come to believe a striker fired pistol with a 4-5lb trigger and a manual safety is ideal. That is just enough better than Glock that I shoot them more accurately. And just light enough to justify a safety.

I think of the current military Sig's as a modern high capacity improved 1911 design.
 
someguy2800 said:
I'm not talking about the drop safety problem smart guy. Maybe you should do some googling after all.
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A little prickly eh?

Thank you for the compliment though, and the suggestion, though I don't need to so any "Googling." I'm quite familiar with the alleged events leading up to the ambulance-chasing firm finding twenty plaintiffs to sue SIG for the "unintended discharges." In fact, I actually had a conversation with someone that works for the company who shared his thoughts on the subject. And I have no little amount of experience in the field of law enforcement, where I've personally witnessed how zealously anyone that works in this job will pull out all the stops to assign blame to the firearm, the holster, the dog, the day of the week or the phase of the moon, rather than be accountable for their unintended or negligent discharge.

Anyway, to answer the OP's original question, yes, I'd carry those pistols.
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Redcoat3340 said:
I'd like to carry it but the trigger goes Bang! at 4 1/2 pounds and there's no manual safety. Seems a tad too light for me (I had Sig do trigger work when I sent it back for their "fix-up) and so it just goes to the range not on my hip.
And my .40 subcompact Sig 320, which I'd like to carry, touches off at 5 lbs. And I'm reluctant to carry that as well.
So my question: Would you carry either
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I would and have on many occasions. Mine has a Grayguns sear and a Apex Tactical Specialties FSS trigger bar. But if it bothers you, you should select from one of your DA/SA pistols...I used to carry a SIG 220 or 228.

Question: If you didn't want a lighter trigger, why did you have them do "trigger work" on it when you sent it in for the factory upgrade
 
I just did another search using "P320 unintentional discharge" and all that I can find are claims that the updated versions of the P320 fire on their own without any explanation of the mechanism that allows the gun to fire without the trigger being pulled. Not a single demonstration of the phenomenon of the gun firing without the trigger being pulled.

That is not to say that a problem doesn't exist, but at this point it seems more likely that it's a case of user error or poor maintenance by the gun owner. For instance, maybe it is possible for a foreign object (gunpowder residue, etc.) to hold the striker safety block open and allow the firing pin to protrude past the breechface and fire a round. I saw a photo example of a P365 with it's striker safety block corroded in place.

That also brings into question when is it the fault of the gun owner for not properly maintaining their firearm and when it is just a bad design that is highly susceptible to malfunction?

But I do think that gun manufacturers are crazy for not offering all of their firearms with some sort of trigger safety. If the customer decides to remove the trigger safety, then anything that happens is not the fault of the gun manufacturer. But if the manufacturer never even offers a manual trigger safety, people can easily point the finger of blame at them. A manual trigger safety that is engaged virtually eliminates unintentional discharges.

If the P320 had a manual trigger safety that was engaged and the pistol still discharged I would inclined to believe that it was a design defect.
 
I’d carry the 9mm with the 4.5 lb trigger. I remember when that trigger weight was considered ideal for a carry gun. Would I prefer a manual safety? Sure, but it isn’t a deal breaker.
 
I carry the M18 occasionally, manual safety engaged. In my view it's not the lightness of the trigger but the extremely short travel required to disengage the internal safeties. A slight rub from the holster on a Glock isn't likely to defeat the trigger safety, but the P320 has no such device, so holster fitment is critical. The manual safety provides peace of mind. I would be hesitant to carry it without one, and certainly not AIWB. Same with the P365.
 
Yes. I carry handguns with light triggers. I'm also extremely careful about holstering and unholstering and always keeping my finger away from the trigger guard.
 
I have a P320 V-Tac. Rather large gun but, I have carried it before.
No safety but, none of my striker fired pistols have a safety.
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Carry a 320? No, I wouldn’t. Just not my jam when it comes to duty/full size guns and I’ll admit to still not feeling fully impressed at their trigger “fixes”. (I’ll acknowledge it’s probably just me).

As for a 4 1/2# trigger and no safety? Yeah that doesn’t bother me. Get a good single clip holster and holster off the body and clip on. Easy peasy and safe as can be, as long as you don’t mess with it during the day.
 
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