Would you CCW into an anti home?

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I carry into all sorts of homes. I don't volunteer any information. I come and I go. If they specifically told me, "Do not carry into my house." Depending on who it is, I might or might not go over there. I don't have many friends who know I pack and have an objection. They know part of me is my Glock 27 and everywhere I go, there is a high probability it is with me.
 
Sheslinger,

Over the years, I have found that I can have differences of opinion with friends on many topics; religion, specific political issues, food, sports, whatever. The one issue I will not differ with someone on is Personal Responsibility For One's Own Actions. Someone that does not have this as a core tenet of their life is not someone I want to be friends with. A side result of this is that my friends tend to have similar views on certain topics that are touched by this core issue, firearms being one of them. I know many people who are ambivalent about them or don't personally own any, but no one I associate with thinks they're "evil" or shies at the sight of one.
 
In their home it is their right to not have any concealed weopens enter it, just as it our right to carry them legally where we are allowed to do so. I would respect their wishes and rights as I hope they would respect mine. If they don't, it looks bad on them, I don't need to do something that looks bad on me or "us".
 
Tamara,

I was friends with some of the people I mentioned way before I was into shooting. I could not agree with you more that this is a very important issue to know where you stand on. I have a friend who is not against my or anyone else's carrying but she just about fainted when she saw another friend of ours open his trunk and take out a BB gun. I would probably give her a heart attack if I carried into her home even though we never really discussed the issue.

On the other hand, I did bring a gun with me and had it loaded and locked in my bag at my parents house last time I went to MD. I am pretty sure they would not like that but I never brought it up and they had no idea. And even though I knew they would never in a million years go through my bag, I checked on it every couple of hours or so.

I guess my answer should be I would carry into a house if I did not know where the people stood on the issue but I still would not carry into a house of someone who specifically did not want me bringing the guns into.

However, I might change my mind when I get my CCW and say, "What they don't know won't hurt them and it might even help in case someone breaks in". Who knows? I guess I would really be able to test the first C of CCW then.

Sheslinger
 
These kinds of threads always make me giggle just a little. "Would you carry into church? Would you carry to a friend's house? would you carry to an anti's house? would you carry to a mall? would you carry to work?"

The answer to all the above is, I carry. But I don't carry to anywhere. I go places and do things, and I carry while doing them.

What I have on under my outer clothing is nobody's business but mine, regardless of where I am.

pax

Why don't they just put up a sign that says, "No robberies allowed"? -- Don Stahlnecker
 
CCW here states I must announce to residence owner I'm CCW. Subject to a misdemenor, loss of license, can't get again...etc.

I don't socialize with anti's much less go to their home. Concealed is concealed, I carry and go places. I have a right to MY privacy.
 
My take on this........

I'm sure nobody can live without my opinion :rolleyes: so here goes.

I don't think I have any friends or family who are anti and I agree that as a rule hardcore antis and hardcore RKBA people typically disagree on more than just that and therefore tend not to mix socially at all.

As Sheslinger noted we do have a friend who is not anti RKBA but is scared of them and uneducated about them. I believe that out of respect for your friend and their house you should not carry. I believe this for a couple of reasons.

We tend to think of things as black and white, RKBA vs ANTI. That is true on a small scale but on a larger scale most people fall somewhere on the fence about the issue. The reason for this is they see the news and all the bad press but are smart enough to realize they really don't have any education on the topic at hand.

By respecting their rules, fears, whatever you are able to both open a dialogue with them about RKBA and at the same time show them what that gun owners are no different then they are. They are respectful, intelligent, friendly people who just happen to like shooting for a myriad of reasons. By showing them this I have found that most people eventually ask to see the gun, or go shooting or just want to learn a bit more about the subject. Once that starts it is only a matter of time before carrying in their house is a non issue.

I don't believe we can "Win The War" by arguing, fighting or winning this election or that election. We can't isolate ourselves from the those who don't know any better. We have to always be willing to present our views in respectful, intelligent ways and sometimes that might mean doing something you may not be comfortable with at the time. I have never seen somebody change their mind after an argument. I have only seen it happen after then take the initive to educate themselves and we need to be available to educate.

Our friend who is scared of firearms is slowly inching toward taking the time to learn about them and possibly go shooting. This would never have happened if we just gave up on her as a friend because she had different views.

I have, "Turned" for lack of a better term quite a few people to our side simply by respecting what they have to say, their views and their rules and giving them a chance to respect mine.

Hard core anti vs hard core RKBA...it ain't never gonna happen. We are both stubborn bunches.

The fact is those two groups are really the minority fighting over the middle of the road majority. Take the time to reach out to those who may not understand your love of shooting and urge to take care of yourself. Doing that will do more for everybody's RKBA then a buying a lifetime membership in the NRA.

Give people a chance, most of them will surprise you. My God, I cannot believe the cynic in me just said that but every once in while it is true.

So that it is written so shall it be done.
JMB 3:14:1:D
 
I have to agree with the majority of the answers given. Concealed means concealed and it's no ones business as to whether I carry or not. If I were specifically asked not to carry into their home, I would respect their wishes however that would be the last time I visited. Personal safety is too important an issue to be compromised.


GOD MADE MAN, SAM COLT MADE THEM EQUAL.
 
Yes.

I have and will continue to also wear clothes and shoes without knowing the express feelings of the homeowner towards the use of such items in his own house. If they asked me to disarm in a polite manner I would most likely reciprocate their politeness. A firearm is not essential to my well-being, its just the best enhancement to my abilities available. If they became rude about it, I would most likely leave.
 
Yes.
Yes.
No, but I wouldn't go there anyway. They might as well have said no clothes allowed.

Probably wouldn't be friends with those in the first scenario either.

Unless they have the state required sign posted at the front door, it's not a crime.
 
I guess I'm with the "what they don't know, ..." crowd. My friends are aware of my belief in personal protection (and the provision of safety for my family). Other social functions call for the appropriate weapon, concealed properly. In either case, this is a non-issue. My friends probably assume I'm carrying at all times and any others don't know. If someone asked me not to carry in their home, I would show respect and comply w/ their wishes. This, of course, means I would leave and would politely decline further invitations. I would not argue but would look for an appropriate time to discuss the issue and explain my beliefs. However, the homeowner is "king of the castle" and deserves the right to decide what is acceptable in their home.


Clif
 
Here at THR (as at TFL) there is an awful lot of spouting about the primacy of property rights. How delightfully amusing to see so many on this thread who are fully prepared to disregard said rights. My home is my castle. If I ask you to refrain from smoking, disarm, not use profanity or blaspheme, not wear a fur coat, wear a studded leather bustier, make sure you hit the toilet when you vomit, or otherwise conform to what I have decided are the rules in my house, then I expect you to do so or you are from that very moment no longer welcome. I will, in fact, eject you from the premises if I find you are so rude as to violate my hospitality by disregarding my household rules.. In reality, except for the smoking and the bustier, I wouldn't require any of the above from you, but the principle is the same. Don't like the king's rules? Stay in your castle, then, where you make the rules.
 
I do it all the time on duty. :neener:
I do not associate with anti-gun people off duty, so that is not an issue.
However, I don't care what their warped personal beliefs are, I will have my sidearm with me. :D
 
Unless told (asked?) not to, I would.
An old friend, now deceased, remarried after a few years as a widower. His new bride moved into his home, and the first time I visited them and lit a cigarette, she said, "Please, you mustn't smoke in here."
That ripped it. I said, "Oh, I'm sorry", went outside, got into my car and drove home.
I continued to associate socially with him, and the wife was occasionally along, but it was never the same, and I was never in their house again, even when invited.
I am not comfortable in the presence of those who seek to prescribe what's best for me, or those who would arbitrarily substitute their pleasure, comfort or convenience for mine.
Oh, yes, the issue was concealed carry, wasn't it?
Any questions?

;)

edited for flippin' typos @ 1-9, 10:09AM
 
Here at THR (as at TFL) there is an awful lot of spouting about the primacy of property rights. How delightfully amusing to see so many on this thread who are fully prepared to disregard said rights.
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Golgo-13,

I wear pink underwear. They do not belong to you, but to me.

If I am in your house, I will be wearing the personal property which is my pink underwear, on the personal property which is my body.

When I enter your home, my personal property may be surrounded by your property, but my body and the items upon my body remain my property anyway. They do not become your property just because they are contained within your property.

When I enter your home, I will not automatically remove my pink underwear unless you specifically give me permission to wear them -- not at all! I will wear them, unless you request that I remove them.

And even so, unless I am married to you, the answer is no. I'll depart the premises rather than comply.

pax

When you disarm your subjects you offend them by showing that either from cowardliness or lack of faith, you distrust them; and either conclusion will induce them to hate you. -- Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince
 
I'll depart the premises rather than comply.
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If you are unwilling to adhere to my rules in my house, then I will speed you to the property line, good lady. If I ask you to disarm and you do not, and then by some chance I discover that you are strapped, you are not only unwelcome, you are also no longer a friend. In point of fact, I do not require my visitors to disarm, but what rules I have in my house are non-negotiable. If you can't honor your host's wishes in his home, then stay away altogether rather than dishonor yourself still further by practicing deceit.
 
If I ask you to disarm and you do not, ....
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Please read my post again. Did I say I would remain on your property after you asked me to remove my personal effects?

pax

There just isn't any pleasing some people. The trick is to stop trying. -- Joel Rosenberg
 
I generally don't carry into people's homes. I leave it in the car, locked. I might amend that policy, if it was a very rough neighborhood. I take an element of risk when I go into restaurants, courthouses, schools, etc. without a weapon and to date I haven't had to regret it. It would take a seriously traumatic experience for me to change this risk acceptance. On the subject of antis as friends, I don't know of but a few who might be borderline. I really don't have a lot of truly RKBA friends either. As surprising as it may seem, I don't have a lot of friends. I have not cultivated many friends (as described by a previous poster) over the last few years...work, family, etc. I'm a serious minority here and on the late TFL because I don't have any type of litmus test on friendship with the exception of rapists, pedophiles, etc. definitely would NOT be on my friends list. I don't begrudge any of you your own preferences nor do I think that you are wrong, that's just me.
 
Golgo-13: "...conform to what I have decided are the rules in my house, then I expect you to do so or you are from that very moment no longer welcome."

That seems fair enough to me. But, if you objected to someone carrying but didn't say so, would that apply.

And what's wrong with a studded leather bustier? Depending upon the wearer, I wouldn't mind seeing one in my home. ;)
 
As to the legal issue, unless your jurisdiction has passed an law making it a crime, the only possible legal consequences I can see are tresspass if you are asked to leave and don't, or some kind of tort based on emotional distress.

The tricky part there is proving causation and damages. So, unless you carry, are clumsy enough to be seen carrying, the sight sends them into an epileptic fit or gives them a nasty rash, and you knew, or should have known, that they would get the rash from seeing your gun, you are probably legally in there clear.

However, you have been very inconsiderate of their feelings and wishes, and you have violated the Golden Rule. I'm a big fan of the Golden Rule.
 
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