Curious if it's about sharing components? If he has a 308 many good options share cases. My focus was to give you the long range option playing with all other knobs. Do you have a 1k range available? The longest easily available range I have is 200. When I shot with my dad 888 lyds was available. I've never been to a legit 1k range.
The 300 Wby has slightly more case capacity than the 300 Win Mag (98gr H2O vs 91.5gr H2O). The 300 RUM case capacity is 110.2gr H2O. The 30-378 Weatherby Mag can apparently do 120gr H2O.
The m2 stock changes the perceived recoil period. The .300 is snappy and obnoxious like a .243 (recoil velocity) whereas your 12 ga is a slow push comparatively. The .300wm will put out 26ish ft-lbs of raw recoil energy in an 8ish lb rifle, closest comparison that jumps to mind is the 7stw. The .338wm in a hunting rifle is even more obnoxious. I'd hate to tell a fellow his business, but pick a bullet you want to use, then look at the cartridges capable of launching it at the velocity you want to attain... pick the one using the least amount of powder to get there. Essentially, the 300wm will quickly point out flaws in your form and after a couple 20 rds, you'll be ready to let it take a break.... now if you make it heavier, put a suppressor on it...or even a decent brake...it's closer to an 06. My 16 y/o daughter can shoot grandpa's 300rum standing, barrel jumps about a foot and a half, but she finds it tolerable....we haven't tried it in any sort of benched or prone setting, and probably never will. Just stuff to think about.
If that's where your shooting the mile will be staring you down, just go 338 lapua and be done.... if lr is your flavor... the nightforce beast is your next purchase.
Your priorities are starting to come out, which is good. So if your wanting a Remington long action tell me why 280ai isn't you best option. Basically a 7mmwm without the belt and the mag case head. Next would be 7mm prc.
If you put in a little time and have a good mentor, you'll be surprised how quick you'll progress. After reading your comments and replies, I think staying with 300wm or 300prc is still your best bet. 300prc has the advantage when you get to 1000yds or more. At 1000yds the 300wm is gonna have about 30 to 40 inches more drop than the PRC. At 1500yds the difference is about 100 inches.
In the begging of this I recommended a 6br because recoil is a major factor in accuracy shooting for even experienced shooters. If your learning fundamentals low pain means your attention is paid on things like wind calls, proper hold and good follow through, while being able to watch impact. Heavy hitters are not for practice and learning, they are for results. No high value target needed 50 in the x ring.
I think he is trying to mentor his son.
We don't hunt but dad has a really nice Remington 700 in 300WM. He put a massive muzzle brake on it so it shoots like a 5.56 lol.
A lot depends on the student and I wasn't going there.
Definitely not a scope I'd want to hunt with, but probably good for what you intend.
I just noticed we were going diffrent directions both with good intention. If he ran a mag bolt face in a long action and started a 6.5 prc and moved up to 7prc when the barrel smoked it would work well but that doesn't fit his rem action. He could run a 308 in a long action and move to 30-06 giving room to run bullets like the berger 200'-20x which th 06 case capacity matters. The guy just needs a good plan and I don't see one in a belted mag action unless he's willing to run a 264 mag and then jump to a 300 mag. The 264 6.5 belted mag is a boss though.A lot depends on the student and I wasn't going there.
But the recent range trip last week with my SIl's was a good example. I'm by no means an expert long range shooter or mentor, but I had them dialing in and ringing 600yds in no time. They've got a lot more to learn about judging wind than I do, but they were getting the elevation very quickly. No ballistic aps or kestrel used, just plain old spotting and dope.
I'm liking his plan along with the .308 because he can use a lot of the same bullets in both and re-barrel as he mentioned if it comes to that.
At 1k 10x is a joke. I'm running 42x for varmint at 600. Zero chance hunting at that power. Hunting is waaaay cheaper and lower power. Now peeps for Palma is where champions are made....Definitely not a scope I'd want to hunt with, but probably good for what you intend.
I think I was keying in to his desire for the M24 clone. Otherwise I like your idea of 6.5 and then re-barrel to 7prc.
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I think I was keying in to his desire for the M24 clone. Otherwise I like your idea of 6.5 and then re-barrel to 7prc.
